https://vimeo.com/167374710 (https://vimeo.com/167374710)
This is my car 40-110, notice once it shofts to 3rd it takes it a second or 2 to start pulling hard again, I think its shifting too early from 2nd and is not in powerband? What do you think?
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What is your shift pressure?
Quote from: BiGMaC on May 20, 2016, 01:11:58 AM
What is your shift pressure?
Not sure, all I know is that 1st to 2nd was turned down a bit because of that grind/hop issue.
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I didn't see anything particularly troublesome in the video. I couldn't really see the tach but it looked like it was shifting around 6000-6200. Mine shifts at 6200 and I wouldn't want it any higher. I think when you ask for revised shift pressure, they only change the 1-2 shift. I could be wrong about that but when I had mine done, it softened 1-2 but the others didn't seem to be impacted.
I wonder if it could have been pulling a bit of timing right after the shift...possibly due to lower octane than it prefers?
Quote from: Brucelinc on May 20, 2016, 09:03:18 AM
I didn't see anything particularly troublesome in the video. I couldn't really see the tach but it looked like it was shifting around 6000-6200. Mine shifts at 6200 and I wouldn't want it any higher. I think when you ask for revised shift pressure, they only change the 1-2 shift. I could be wrong about that but when I had mine done, it softened 1-2 but the others didn't seem to be impacted.
I wonder if it could have been pulling a bit of timing right after the shift...possibly due to lower octane than it prefers?
Mine ahifts right before 6k, around 5900. Cant be pulling timing it has 93 with e85 in it. It always felt like that after it shifts to 3rd, like it takes it a second to get into the sweet spot again. Maybe i will have Torrie change the shift point a bit on that shift.
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Does it also shift at 5900 on the 1-2 shift? Seems like Torrie prefers lower shift points for some reason. I like mine at the 6200 level but I have never tried it lower. Sounds like a good plan for you to have yours raised.
I think the sweet spot is 3k to 5k
It could be pulling spark with e85...hard to say without a you know what lol
E85 mixers should really be testing to see what they are getting. Buy the test kit.
Quote from: AJP turbo on May 20, 2016, 12:59:51 PM
I think the sweet spot is 3k to 5k
It could be pulling spark with e85...hard to say without a you know what lol
I posted you know what before but you dont really look at them anymore lol
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Quote from: SHOdded on May 20, 2016, 02:18:32 PM
E85 mixers should really be testing to see what they are getting. Buy the test kit.
I wait for 0 to empty and drive another 20 miles. Than i put 3 gals of e85 and rest of 93 e0. Cant be too far off i would think
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Quote from: Brucelinc on May 20, 2016, 12:58:36 PM
Does it also shift at 5900 on the 1-2 shift? Seems like Torrie prefers lower shift points for some reason. I like mine at the 6200 level but I have never tried it lower. Sounds like a good plan for you to have yours raised.
Yup shifts the same in each gear, if i manual shift i feel like the car is still pulling the same after 6k so i will have it set to maybe 6200 and see how it does
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Quote from: ElvenSho on May 20, 2016, 02:21:31 PM
Quote from: AJP turbo on May 20, 2016, 12:59:51 PM
I think the sweet spot is 3k to 5k
It could be pulling spark with e85...hard to say without a you know what lol
I posted you know what before but you dont really look at them anymore lol
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Sorry i may have missed one lol but i thought your last one looked ok and i remember looking at one and not posting about it...i like looking at them so usuallly, even if i dont post about a log , i do look at them
Quote from: AJP turbo on May 20, 2016, 02:33:18 PM
Quote from: ElvenSho on May 20, 2016, 02:21:31 PM
Quote from: AJP turbo on May 20, 2016, 12:59:51 PM
I think the sweet spot is 3k to 5k
It could be pulling spark with e85...hard to say without a you know what lol
I posted you know what before but you dont really look at them anymore lol
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Sorry i may have missed one lol but i thought your last one looked ok and i remember looking at one and not posting about it...i like looking at them so usuallly, even if i dont post about a log , i do look at them
But if you dont post anything ppl like me.have no clue what ur seeing haha. I will actually get one for you this weekend as long as its nice out. Just make sure you let me know what you see :)
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Deal!...but im working saturday day shift so give me time that day lol
Quote from: SHOdded on May 20, 2016, 02:18:32 PM
E85 mixers should really be testing to see what they are getting. Buy the test kit.
I prefer to use their MSDS sheet
http://www.afdc.energy.gov/uploads/publication/SSA_MSDS.pdf (http://www.afdc.energy.gov/uploads/publication/SSA_MSDS.pdf)
Since alcohol is cheaper than gas, IDK why any supplier would want to cheat.
Quote from: ElvenSho on May 20, 2016, 02:34:52 PM
Quote from: AJP turbo on May 20, 2016, 02:33:18 PM
Quote from: ElvenSho on May 20, 2016, 02:21:31 PM
Quote from: AJP turbo on May 20, 2016, 12:59:51 PM
I think the sweet spot is 3k to 5k
It could be pulling spark with e85...hard to say without a you know what lol
I posted you know what before but you dont really look at them anymore lol
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Sorry i may have missed one lol but i thought your last one looked ok and i remember looking at one and not posting about it...i like looking at them so usuallly, even if i dont post about a log , i do look at them
But if you dont post anything ppl like me.have no clue what ur seeing haha. I will actually get one for you this weekend as long as its nice out. Just make sure you let me know what you see :)
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I think he likes to toy with your emotions....
Quote from: ElvenSho on May 20, 2016, 02:23:00 PM
I wait for 0 to empty and drive another 20 miles. Than i put 3 gals of e85 and rest of 93 e0. Cant be too far off i would think
Understood. I meant that you are pouring in what you THINK is E85, but it may not have actually been 85% alcohol. There are variations in content nationwide, question is your gas station doing that also.
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on May 20, 2016, 03:12:59 PM
Since alcohol is cheaper than gas, IDK why any supplier would want to cheat.
Sure. But stupidity still abounds. And I haven't seen ONE person yet who has confirmed they are actually getting what they paid for at the pump with E85. Would be nice to know for sure.
Quote from: SHOdded on May 20, 2016, 04:06:25 PM
Quote from: ElvenSho on May 20, 2016, 02:23:00 PM
I wait for 0 to empty and drive another 20 miles. Than i put 3 gals of e85 and rest of 93 e0. Cant be too far off i would think
Understood. I meant that you are pouring in what you THINK is E85, but it may not have actually been 85% alcohol. There are variations in content nationwide, question is your gas station doing that also.
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on May 20, 2016, 03:12:59 PM
Since alcohol is cheaper than gas, IDK why any supplier would want to cheat.
Sure. But stupidity still abounds. And I haven't seen ONE person yet who has confirmed they are actually getting what they paid for at the pump with E85. Would be nice to know for sure.
Its already a hastle mixing it each time.I get gas, no way will I be testing it too!
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Quote from: SHOdded on May 20, 2016, 04:06:25 PM
Quote from: ElvenSho on May 20, 2016, 02:23:00 PM
I wait for 0 to empty and drive another 20 miles. Than i put 3 gals of e85 and rest of 93 e0. Cant be too far off i would think
Understood. I meant that you are pouring in what you THINK is E85, but it may not have actually been 85% alcohol. There are variations in content nationwide, question is your gas station doing that also.
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on May 20, 2016, 03:12:59 PM
Since alcohol is cheaper than gas, IDK why any supplier would want to cheat.
Sure. But stupidity still abounds. And I haven't seen ONE person yet who has confirmed they are actually getting what they paid for at the pump with E85. Would be nice to know for sure.
Certainly agree because STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES.lol Z :D
Quote from: AJP turbo on May 20, 2016, 02:37:02 PM
Deal!...but im working saturday day shift so give me time that day lol
Here you go, as promised! let me know what you see, I send it to Torrie to see if he can do more magic lol...
Sorry you waited too long
Just kidding...i will be on the old puter later tonight
@11SHO
How much corn in this log?
@11SHO
Knock sensor looks much better, flat until 5600 RPM.
Lowest FRP through the run was about 1450, might improve if he can dial out those pig rich areas where it drops to .75. (Your WOT target is .80, mine is .82 so that could yield higher FRP as well)
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on May 23, 2016, 02:40:15 PM
@11SHO
Knock sensor looks much better, flat until 5600 RPM.
Lowest FRP through the run was about 1450, might improve if he can dial out those pig rich areas where it drops to .75. (Your WOT target is .80, mine is .82 so that could yield higher FRP as well)
I havent looked yet but what fomo says is probably spot on....although 1450 isnt bad if you werent so rich then pressure would come up
You are depleting the rail of fuel...if you lighten the fuel demand then pressure should rise...and the only way to lighten the fuel demand is too tell the ecu there is less airflow...there really isnt less airflow but because you have an external fuel source the ecu doesnt know why the afr is so rich...thats why i dont like the current approach that some are taking to the meth tuning or lack thereof
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on May 23, 2016, 02:29:08 PM
@11SHO
How much corn in this log?
4 gal :)
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Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on May 23, 2016, 02:40:15 PM
@11SHO
Knock sensor looks much better, flat until 5600 RPM.
Lowest FRP through the run was about 1450, might improve if he can dial out those pig rich areas where it drops to .75. (Your WOT target is .80, mine is .82 so that could yield higher FRP as well)
Just got a revision and he also did some transmission tuning since i asked about quicker shift and rpms. Will do another log probably tomorrow.
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Quote from: AJP turbo on May 23, 2016, 02:56:19 PM
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on May 23, 2016, 02:40:15 PM
@11SHO
Knock sensor looks much better, flat until 5600 RPM.
Lowest FRP through the run was about 1450, might improve if he can dial out those pig rich areas where it drops to .75. (Your WOT target is .80, mine is .82 so that could yield higher FRP as well)
I havent looked yet but what fomo says is probably spot on....although 1450 isnt bad if you werent so rich then pressure would come up
You are depleting the rail of fuel...if you lighten the fuel demand then pressure should rise...and the only way to lighten the fuel demand is too tell the ecu there is less airflow...there really isnt less airflow but because you have an external fuel source the ecu doesnt know why the afr is so rich...thats why i dont like the current approach that some are taking to the meth tuning or lack thereof
I do not have meth
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Quote from: ElvenSho on May 23, 2016, 04:24:38 PM
Quote from: AJP turbo on May 23, 2016, 02:56:19 PM
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on May 23, 2016, 02:40:15 PM
@11SHO
Knock sensor looks much better, flat until 5600 RPM.
Lowest FRP through the run was about 1450, might improve if he can dial out those pig rich areas where it drops to .75. (Your WOT target is .80, mine is .82 so that could yield higher FRP as well)
I havent looked yet but what fomo says is probably spot on....although 1450 isnt bad if you werent so rich then pressure would come up
You are depleting the rail of fuel...if you lighten the fuel demand then pressure should rise...and the only way to lighten the fuel demand is too tell the ecu there is less airflow...there really isnt less airflow but because you have an external fuel source the ecu doesnt know why the afr is so rich...thats why i dont like the current approach that some are taking to the meth tuning or lack thereof
I do not have meth
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Ooops..ok i thought u did...wrong person ...i look tonight at the log...not sure why you would be so rich then?
Quote from: AJP turbo on May 23, 2016, 04:38:11 PM
Quote from: ElvenSho on May 23, 2016, 04:24:38 PM
Quote from: AJP turbo on May 23, 2016, 02:56:19 PM
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on May 23, 2016, 02:40:15 PM
@11SHO
Knock sensor looks much better, flat until 5600 RPM.
Lowest FRP through the run was about 1450, might improve if he can dial out those pig rich areas where it drops to .75. (Your WOT target is .80, mine is .82 so that could yield higher FRP as well)
I havent looked yet but what fomo says is probably spot on....although 1450 isnt bad if you werent so rich then pressure would come up
You are depleting the rail of fuel...if you lighten the fuel demand then pressure should rise...and the only way to lighten the fuel demand is too tell the ecu there is less airflow...there really isnt less airflow but because you have an external fuel source the ecu doesnt know why the afr is so rich...thats why i dont like the current approach that some are taking to the meth tuning or lack thereof
I do not have meth
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Ooops..ok i thought u did...wrong person ...i look tonight at the log...not sure why you would be so rich then?
Is that a good thing? Means he can get more boost out of it since there is extra fuel? Lol
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Side note...we had guys testing E/85 here in Michigan. Winter months all of it was under 70%...ranged from 62-68%
So be careful as that mix changes.
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Quote from: SHOnUup on May 23, 2016, 08:23:33 PM
Side note...we had guys testing E/85 here in Michigan. Winter months all of it was under 70%...ranged from 62-68%
So be careful as that mix changes.
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Gotcha thanks
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Looks pretty good eleven....What do you think your fuel blend was? How much E overall? E20?
Knock sensor was happy....You had a little but I wouldn't worry at all. Don''t think it went over 2.
Your wastegate dutycycle seemed kinda high for only commanding 200kpa or about 15 psi. Could be the way torrie is setting wastegates, I dunno.
It looks like you had a spike in your stft's but when you look at the swing and how long it lasted it's really not bad....Looks bad on the graph but it was only 1.07 and it didn't last...It's because it was so consistent it makes 1.07 stand out
Your 02's were pulling a bit of fuel then at about the same time you got a boost spike at the 1-2 upshift that's when your stft's spike up to add fuel and that caused the slight fuel pressure drop...But at 1450 psi I wouldn't worry about that and it recovered quickly.
You are up on a spark limiter meaning you are running the max spark allowed so your knock sensor is not adding any more spark which is kind of unfortunate. But it probably wouldn't add much anyway because you got that slight knock retard so you were close to max spark anyway
Basically anytime the knock sensor is reading 0 for an extended time at wot you are riding a spark limiter. If you weren't you would see negative knock sensor readings....I would say the E is helping you. It looked pretty warm in your log but wish you logged IAT2. Because I suspect that was over 120-130 and you were still at about 19 degrees spark at almost 1.6 load so that's pretty aggressive spark
Car should be running well I'd bet
Quote from: AJP turbo on May 23, 2016, 10:46:51 PM
Looks pretty good eleven....What do you think your fuel blend was? How much E overall? E20?
Knock sensor was happy....You had a little but I wouldn't worry at all. Don''t think it went over 2.
Your wastegate dutycycle seemed kinda high for only commanding 200kpa or about 15 psi. Could be the way torrie is setting wastegates, I dunno.
It looks like you had a spike in your stft's but when you look at the swing and how long it lasted it's really not bad....Looks bad on the graph but it was only 1.07 and it didn't last...It's because it was so consistent it makes 1.07 stand out
Your 02's were pulling a bit of fuel then at about the same time you got a boost spike at the 1-2 upshift that's when your stft's spike up to add fuel and that caused the slight fuel pressure drop...But at 1450 psi I wouldn't worry about that and it recovered quickly.
You are up on a spark limiter meaning you are running the max spark allowed so your knock sensor is not adding any more spark which is kind of unfortunate. But it probably wouldn't add much anyway because you got that slight knock retard so you were close to max spark anyway
Basically anytime the knock sensor is reading 0 for an extended time at wot you are riding a spark limiter. If you weren't you would see negative knock sensor readings....I would say the E is helping you. It looked pretty warm in your log but wish you logged IAT2. Because I suspect that was over 120-130 and you were still at about 19 degrees spark at almost 1.6 load so that's pretty aggressive spark
Car should be running well I'd bet
It was 85f+ outside when I did the log. I am glad that everything seems to be good but at the same time that pretty much means there is no more room for improvement which is sad because I would really like to get low 12s out of it the way it sits. With only pushing 15 psi do you think if torrie pushed more boost I would have a fuel problem with this mix? Yes it is about e18-e20. He did a revision for me today and the car shifts lil over 6k 2nd and 3rd gear which i feel helps and also the car does seem to pull a bit harder so maybe he made some boost adjustments. I will get a new log for you again since I need to send one to him also. Thanks for looking!
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Yea low 12's is tough...That's what I'm shooting for....I mean you probably have room for a little more but when you want to keep creeping the boost up that increases fuel demands...And look at "fuel rear pressure" you can see the dips....Now add more boost which will increase load which is what really call for the fuel, then you want more E to the mix then when winter rolls around will you still have enough fuel? Maybe, maybe not.....Do you want to run your machine ragged all the time lol?
If I tuned your car I might give you another pound of boost and if you wanted more it would come with a warning and disclaimer lol
Sounds perfect...sounds exactly how I imagine mine is running. Torque Pro has me at 1600 for fuel pressure, and occasionally I see +2 KR...time to but an SCT device just to log...getting bored
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Quote from: SHOnUup on May 23, 2016, 11:05:09 PM
Sounds perfect...sounds exactly how I imagine mine is running. Torque Pro has me at 1600 for fuel pressure, and occasionally I see +2 KR...time to but an SCT device just to log...getting bored
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Do it Rich!...Nice revs btw
Thanks...it's about time. I'd like to see what it's doing before adding the meth kit.
Have a launch video outside the car, and one from inside loading up right now.
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Quote from: SHOnUup on May 23, 2016, 11:14:51 PM
Thanks...it's about time. I'd like to see what it's doing before adding the meth kit.
Have a launch video outside the car, and one from inside loading up right now.
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Cool, I'll give you a nice AJP log review lol...If you get one let me know and i'll email you a nice config file that I use when I log if you want...I hate seeing everyones logs in celcius and some of the good items missing lol
Appreciate it...reading logs is something I haven't gotten into yet. Seems like the natural next step. My buddy has an X4 I think for sale... $200
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I look forward to hearing what a log on SHOnUups car would look like. I would love to know what mine looks like, too. Livernois sent me a revised tune that I thought would improve my track times but it was actually a tad slower than the normal tune that I had been running. I suspect it needed higher octane or maybe other supporting mods but that is only a guess. Would be nice to know the real reason.
This will be the last summer for my MKS so I will not be doing any more mods, anyway.
Quote from: Brucelinc on May 24, 2016, 09:29:28 AM
I look forward to hearing what a log on SHOnUups car would look like. I would love to know what mine looks like, too. Livernois sent me a revised tune that I thought would improve my track times but it was actually a tad slower than the normal tune that I had been running. I suspect it needed higher octane or maybe other supporting mods but that is only a guess. Would be nice to know the real reason.
This will be the last summer for my MKS so I will not be doing any more mods, anyway.
Selling the MKS Bruce? I too would like to see some logs from the Livernois tuned guys.
I would love to see the logs more than anyone LOL
Quote from: AJP turbo on May 24, 2016, 10:26:06 AM
I would love to see the logs more than anyone LOL
Log whore. Not Warlock LOL
Selling the MKS Bruce? I too would like to see some logs from the Livernois tuned guys.
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I would also like to have someone interpret the Livernois tunes! Honestly, I love their tunes and they get excellent performance and drivability without super high boost. I would be nice to see exactly what is going on.
My plan is to order a new Continental with the 400 HP engine later this summer to replace the MKS. I am so used to having my car tuned, I will want to have the Continental tuned, too. No one has developed a tune for it since the car is not even available yet. I am not a customer of Torrie but I emailed him about it and within 2 minutes he replied and seemed very optimistic if SCT adds PCM support for it.
They will soon enough i would say