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NEW BRAKE SOURCE PowerStop thur AutoAnything

Started by shoman04, June 16, 2013, 06:43:47 AM

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shoman04

Quote from: Boggus on September 25, 2013, 02:51:31 AM
So... Is the 2012 SHO brakes (front) different than a 2013 SHO?  Most sites do not list the 2013 yet.
2010-2012 are exactly the same, 2013 total different.
2011 KONA BLU SHO,Livernois Tune,AIRAID CAI,DYNOMAX MUFFLEs,Newest member of the 12sec CLUB 12.669sec @ 107mph    2011 Ford Taurus SHO: 12.669 @ 105.050 MPH NEW FOR 2013LMS down-pipe,Magnaflow X-pipe,and Custom 2.5"exhaust pipe!! Meth and stage 5 next to be install!!!!!! METH DYNO TUNE today 405AWHP!!!WOW LMS track day 12.4209sec   :mike1:

Joleat

I can't believe I'm coming back to this thread after this long and I still haven't ordered anything. AutoAnything has the Power Stop kit for $275 after a 15% promo code. Alternatively, they have the EBC Ultimax slotted rotors and Redstuff pads for $460 after a 15% promo code. I just need to figure out if the EBCs are worth the extra $185. I've never used Power Stop brakes and I didn't keep the one car I had with EBC brakes long enough to really assess them.

Any updates on your Power Stops, shoman04?
Project: MKSinister-2011 Lincoln MKS EcoBoost-Tuxedo Black Metallic Exterior-Black Ultimate Leather Interior-EcoBoost Appearance Package-Unleashed SCT X4-3Bar MAP-SP534 Spark Plugs-Power Stop Drilled and Slotted Rotors and Evolution Ceramic Brake Pads-General G-Max AS-03 Tires-Debadged-Color Matched Grille-Anthracite Gray Wheels-Gloss Black Vinyl Over Chrome-35% Window Tint

BiGMaC

Quote from: shoman04 on October 29, 2013, 05:45:55 PM
Quote from: Boggus on September 25, 2013, 02:51:31 AM
So... Is the 2012 SHO brakes (front) different than a 2013 SHO?  Most sites do not list the 2013 yet.
2010-2012 are exactly the same, 2013 total different.

BOO....  :cry1:  I guess I have to wait... or do caliper covers for a while

•2013 Taurus SHO nonPP - All Ford factory options, 3BAR MAP, LMS v8 tune (mods for 3BAR, DPs, and T-stat), Paint & plastic correction, CQuart finest all exterior surfaces, limo black window tint,VLED Triton switchbacks, Daytime BrightLites switchback DRLs, full interior and exterior LED conversion, Lamin-X charcoal blackout tail lights and reflectors, PPE catted and coated downpipes, EBPP coated hotpipes with BoVs VTA, MDesign CAI
•2013 F250 CC Lariat 6.7EB Diesel -stock

shoman04

My OE lasted only 30k and 2.5yrs. I have had the PowerStop for 6mo 24k mi (the SHO has become my DD and road trip car this yr) The P-Stop are still in great condition and warrant for 3yr 36k mi. The stopping pwr is no contest vs stock PP BRAKES!!!! But I didn't do any Auto-x this yr I will next yr. My local dealer install my P-Stops and Mike my normal mechanic said he install(REPLACE STOCK) a lot them on there Commercial customer F-150 and F-250. The PowerStop good stuff and a good company.
2011 KONA BLU SHO,Livernois Tune,AIRAID CAI,DYNOMAX MUFFLEs,Newest member of the 12sec CLUB 12.669sec @ 107mph    2011 Ford Taurus SHO: 12.669 @ 105.050 MPH NEW FOR 2013LMS down-pipe,Magnaflow X-pipe,and Custom 2.5"exhaust pipe!! Meth and stage 5 next to be install!!!!!! METH DYNO TUNE today 405AWHP!!!WOW LMS track day 12.4209sec   :mike1:

shoman04

Quote from: BiGMaC on December 26, 2013, 10:07:59 PM
Quote from: shoman04 on October 29, 2013, 05:45:55 PM
Quote from: Boggus on September 25, 2013, 02:51:31 AM
So... Is the 2012 SHO brakes (front) different than a 2013 SHO?  Most sites do not list the 2013 yet.
2010-2012 are exactly the same, 2013 total different.

BOO….  :cry1:  I guess I have to wait… or do caliper covers for a while
BIGMac Question in the 2010-2012 SHO/FLEX brakes were exact the same but AutoAnything only showed the PowerStop brake kit for the 2010 SHO! So I ask them why? They said that some supplyer will not update year date if the parts don't change from one year to the next. So the question is did 2013-2014 Flex/Explorer get the upgrade SHO brake two? If they are still the same between SHO/Flex/Explorer then P-Stop do have brakes for 2013-2014 SHO.
http://www.autoanything.com/brakes/61A5870A0A0.aspx
2011 KONA BLU SHO,Livernois Tune,AIRAID CAI,DYNOMAX MUFFLEs,Newest member of the 12sec CLUB 12.669sec @ 107mph    2011 Ford Taurus SHO: 12.669 @ 105.050 MPH NEW FOR 2013LMS down-pipe,Magnaflow X-pipe,and Custom 2.5"exhaust pipe!! Meth and stage 5 next to be install!!!!!! METH DYNO TUNE today 405AWHP!!!WOW LMS track day 12.4209sec   :mike1:

BiGMaC


•2013 Taurus SHO nonPP - All Ford factory options, 3BAR MAP, LMS v8 tune (mods for 3BAR, DPs, and T-stat), Paint & plastic correction, CQuart finest all exterior surfaces, limo black window tint,VLED Triton switchbacks, Daytime BrightLites switchback DRLs, full interior and exterior LED conversion, Lamin-X charcoal blackout tail lights and reflectors, PPE catted and coated downpipes, EBPP coated hotpipes with BoVs VTA, MDesign CAI
•2013 F250 CC Lariat 6.7EB Diesel -stock

shoman04

Quote from: BiGMaC on December 27, 2013, 09:20:43 AM
;D  Thanks shoman!
What are the different in the 2013-2014 SHO vs Flex/MKS/Explorer Brakes?
2011 KONA BLU SHO,Livernois Tune,AIRAID CAI,DYNOMAX MUFFLEs,Newest member of the 12sec CLUB 12.669sec @ 107mph    2011 Ford Taurus SHO: 12.669 @ 105.050 MPH NEW FOR 2013LMS down-pipe,Magnaflow X-pipe,and Custom 2.5"exhaust pipe!! Meth and stage 5 next to be install!!!!!! METH DYNO TUNE today 405AWHP!!!WOW LMS track day 12.4209sec   :mike1:

Joleat

I finally decided to go with the Power Stop kit. While chatting with a sales rep via AutoAnything's live chat feature, he suggested that we try to find a better deal so he could authorize a price match. As it turns out, another retailer had the kit for $267 and some change with free shipping. AutoAnything price matched them on the spot. If this kit is all everyone says it is, that's an incredible deal!
Project: MKSinister-2011 Lincoln MKS EcoBoost-Tuxedo Black Metallic Exterior-Black Ultimate Leather Interior-EcoBoost Appearance Package-Unleashed SCT X4-3Bar MAP-SP534 Spark Plugs-Power Stop Drilled and Slotted Rotors and Evolution Ceramic Brake Pads-General G-Max AS-03 Tires-Debadged-Color Matched Grille-Anthracite Gray Wheels-Gloss Black Vinyl Over Chrome-35% Window Tint

SHOdded

That's awesome!  Looking forward to pics of 'em on your car, and your feedback on their performance :D
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

Shonuff1140

The areas on the rotor that are not part of the contact area for the pad......how are they holding up against corrosion resistance? Cause this kit is zinc washed or something right?
I know my factory rotors were always rusty on the hats from new.

Todd TCE

#40
Figured I would put up some data for you guys to chew on here.

2012 SHO

Rotors: 325mm vented front, 330mm solid rear
Front caliper: 48mm x 2
Rear caliper: 45mm x 1
MC bore: 1.062"

2013 SHO

Rotors: 352 vented front, 345 vented rear
Front caliper: 48mm x 2
Rear calier: 45mm x 1
MC bore: 1.125

Clearly the rotor size is bumped up a bit on both ends. And a vented rear will aide in durability for sustained heat use as well.

Note however that the caliper piston size remains the same. Yet the MC bore is enlarged. That enlargement is your "better" that everyone is jumping up and down about. However that larger bore produces much less pressure than the smaller bore one found on the 2012. While your foot is telling your brain better the reality is that you are simply pushing harder on the pedal.

What I confess to not having run yet (you can do it) is the how the lower pressure combines with the larger diameter (radius really- not as impressive) between the two. I'm of quick thought process of saying that for the same given effort the new car has less brake torque in reality. That 1/16" of area pressure loss trumps the 12mm of rotor radius increase I bet.

Run the numbers http://www.tceperformanceproducts.com/bias-calculator/ and see. Just keep all the data in MM if you want on both and only look at the rotor torque values. 325mm or 325 inches it's the same for comparing the changes.


Ran it quickly without converting it to inches. As expected the 'new' brakes actually make less total brake torque for the same given input pressure. To ramp them up to be "better" the amount of effort needs to go up also- that's the feel aspect. Interesting to note the car is a bit more front biased this way also.

I agree on the booster but that would go to further my point; the changes are not really more brake torque so much as it is a mental thing that makes folks think they are better. The consumer wants tactical feel really more than he does torque. Modulation is key and a softer pedal is much harder to do that with. The 'new' set up doesn't really brake any better (worse really) but the pedal gives the impression they do because that consumer has to work harder. Not overly surprised at any of that and I wouldn't loose sleep over it but it was worth looking at.
Todd
TCE

BlackMammoth.org

Don't forget that there is more to brake feel than piston sizing. The booster may be calibrated differently... not sure how to check that?

shoman04

#42
Quote from: chad1140 on January 04, 2014, 02:24:23 AM
The areas on the rotor that are not part of the contact area for the pad......how are they holding up against corrosion resistance? Cause this kit is zinc washed or something right?
I know my factory rotors were always rusty on the hats from new.
Here are my rotor after 20kmi and 6mo uses. And the car hasn't been driven since yesterday.
2011 KONA BLU SHO,Livernois Tune,AIRAID CAI,DYNOMAX MUFFLEs,Newest member of the 12sec CLUB 12.669sec @ 107mph    2011 Ford Taurus SHO: 12.669 @ 105.050 MPH NEW FOR 2013LMS down-pipe,Magnaflow X-pipe,and Custom 2.5"exhaust pipe!! Meth and stage 5 next to be install!!!!!! METH DYNO TUNE today 405AWHP!!!WOW LMS track day 12.4209sec   :mike1:

Todd TCE

Ran it quickly without converting it to inches. As expected the 'new' brakes actually make less total brake torque for the same given input pressure. To ramp them up to be "better" the amount of effort needs to go up also- that's the feel aspect. Interesting to note the car is a bit more front biased this way also.

I agree on the booster but that would go to further my point; the changes are not really more brake torque so much as it is a mental thing that makes folks think they are better. The consumer wants tactical feel really more than he does torque. Modulation is key and a softer pedal is much harder to do that with. The 'new' set up doesn't really brake any better (worse really) but the pedal gives the impression they do because that consumer has to work harder. Not overly surprised at any of that and I wouldn't loose sleep over it but it was worth looking at
Todd
TCE

Shonuff1140