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Started by shoman04, June 16, 2013, 06:43:47 AM

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Joleat

Regretfully, I'm posting this update to express my displeasure with the PowerStop brake kit. I installed the kit on the evening of January 15th and followed the break in procedure to exacting standards. I've since logged approximately 1500 miles of easy driving and the front rotors are already warped. I haven't even had an opportunity to put them to the test. At first, I was pleased with the savings, but I'm now regretting my decision to save a few bucks over the EBC rotors and pads. I now need to decide if I want to order the EBC parts and return the PowerStop kit. I wouldn't be willing to accept an exchange as I fear the replacements would suffer the same fate.
Project: MKSinister-2011 Lincoln MKS EcoBoost-Tuxedo Black Metallic Exterior-Black Ultimate Leather Interior-EcoBoost Appearance Package-Unleashed SCT X4-3Bar MAP-SP534 Spark Plugs-Power Stop Drilled and Slotted Rotors and Evolution Ceramic Brake Pads-General G-Max AS-03 Tires-Debadged-Color Matched Grille-Anthracite Gray Wheels-Gloss Black Vinyl Over Chrome-35% Window Tint

FLIP-4-SHO

I 2 am not pleased with this kit.

While out & about in meh SHO!


2011 Taurus SHO - 402A, PP pkg's - Multi-Contour Seats, Eibach Springs, AiRaid Intake, Custom Exhaust, TWIN TURBO & SHO Hood stripes, 2013 Fender vents, Tinted Glass... Michelin Pilot Super Sports 255/45-20 on stk PP rims

On Deck in order: Wheels, Big Brake kit, Grill & door handle paint, LED lights everywhere. Last but not least... A Tune

dmharvey79

I plan to go with OEM rotors and EBC pads when the time comes.

curry67

#48
Quote from: ecoboostsho on July 16, 2013, 11:22:28 AM
On pre 2013 cars I was under the impression that the rotors were all the same size.  Just the pads were upgraded on the PP. 

Quote from: Joleat on July 16, 2013, 10:55:29 AM
Is this a SHO PP kit? Most of the decent performance rotors I've seen are only available in the larger 13.3" size for the front. If memory serves me correctly, I think non-PP SHO and MKS front rotors are slightly under 13".

I'd love to find some nice matching front/rear slotted rotors and decent pads for ~$500 to slap on all four corners of the MKS. My front rotors are warped something awful and have been since I purchased the car.
I thought the same once my pads wear out I was planning to get the pp ones.

I love how its described in the catalog (lesser version) lol
BRAKES / BRAKE COMPONENTS / BRAKE COMPONENTS / FRONT PADS
FRONT PADS Taurus SHO; SHO Package 1

MSRP   Core ?   Save   Online Price
$66.63   $0.00   $22.65   $43.98


BRAKES / BRAKE COMPONENTS / BRAKE COMPONENTS / FRONT PADS
FRONT PADS Taurus SHO; Less Version Package

MSRP   Core ?   Save   Online Price
$66.63   $0.00   $22.65   $43.98

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black99lightning

At around 45K I was getting some groaning when applying brakes.  Nothing was worn out and pads looked to have atleast 1/2 life yet.  I decided to upgrade to EBC slotted and green stuff pads.  I immediately noticed that the pads didn't have holes to place the pad shims like the factory.  I installed everything anyway.  Broke in according to instructions, and almost immediately the the rotors were warped.  I called AA and complained.  They didn't warranty the rotors, but did send me powerstop pads which did have the provisions for the factory clips.  Installed these pads on the EBC rotors, was better but the damage was done.  Went to Ford bought another set of factory rotors and used the PS pads which only had about 500-1000 miles on them and have been good ever since.  The EBC rotors are sitting in a storage container.  $350 worth of junk.     Lesson learned.
2013 Esport 13.44 @ 103.6
1999 Lightning 12.44 @ 108.4
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DJE624

Quote from: Joleat on January 30, 2014, 05:13:27 PM
Regretfully, I'm posting this update to express my displeasure with the PowerStop brake kit. I installed the kit on the evening of January 15th and followed the break in procedure to exacting standards. I've since logged approximately 1500 miles of easy driving and the front rotors are already warped. I haven't even had an opportunity to put them to the test. At first, I was pleased with the savings, but I'm now regretting my decision to save a few bucks over the EBC rotors and pads. I now need to decide if I want to order the EBC parts and return the PowerStop kit. I wouldn't be willing to accept an exchange as I fear the replacements would suffer the same fate.

Quote from: FLIP-4-SHO on January 30, 2014, 05:26:07 PM
I 2 am not pleased with this kit.

While out & about in meh SHO!



Quote from: dmharvey79 on January 30, 2014, 06:15:14 PM
I plan to go with OEM rotors and EBC pads when the time comes.

I'm thinking OEM rotors and Hawk pads maybe.  I'm not too surprised that the Powerstop was not all that it was cracked up to be.

SHOdded

Anybody tried Hawk HPS pads on factory rotors?
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

Todd TCE

If you guys want to stop this inherent problem: get your foot off the brake pedal when you stop. Bump it in neutral or creep the car at the stop.

I know..I know..flame away. As you wish, but I'm telling you how to end this for good. Coming from a Titan owner with 122k on the original brakes- a truck that if you google will find hundreds of "these brake suck" posts. If I can teach my wife on an Exploder and not be replacing pads and discs, you can do it too.
Todd
TCE

Joleat

You're not the first person to think of that and that is precisely what I've been doing for these first 1500 miles. I thought these rotors were warped right out of the box, but I convinced myself that it was just in my head. It wasn't until I had to travel through a hilly area that I came to my senses and admitted that that they were warped. This is all coming from someone who has never warped any rotors. I've purchased vehicles with warped rotors, this MKS for example, but I've never warped any myself.
Project: MKSinister-2011 Lincoln MKS EcoBoost-Tuxedo Black Metallic Exterior-Black Ultimate Leather Interior-EcoBoost Appearance Package-Unleashed SCT X4-3Bar MAP-SP534 Spark Plugs-Power Stop Drilled and Slotted Rotors and Evolution Ceramic Brake Pads-General G-Max AS-03 Tires-Debadged-Color Matched Grille-Anthracite Gray Wheels-Gloss Black Vinyl Over Chrome-35% Window Tint

shoman04

Quote from: Joleat on January 30, 2014, 08:57:28 PM
You're not the first person to think of that and that is precisely what I've been doing for these first 1500 miles. I thought these rotors were warped right out of the box, but I convinced myself that it was just in my head. It wasn't until I had to travel through a hilly area that I came to my senses and admitted that that they were warped. This is all coming from someone who has never warped any rotors. I've purchased vehicles with warped rotors, this MKS for example, but I've never warped any myself.
Sorry Joleat about your disk warping, But I have had my pwr-stop for 7mo 15000mi and my dealer took my hole fwr end apart to fix my PTU AND NO BRAKE PROBLEM at all.
2011 KONA BLU SHO,Livernois Tune,AIRAID CAI,DYNOMAX MUFFLEs,Newest member of the 12sec CLUB 12.669sec @ 107mph    2011 Ford Taurus SHO: 12.669 @ 105.050 MPH NEW FOR 2013LMS down-pipe,Magnaflow X-pipe,and Custom 2.5"exhaust pipe!! Meth and stage 5 next to be install!!!!!! METH DYNO TUNE today 405AWHP!!!WOW LMS track day 12.4209sec   :mike1:

crash712us

I've been nothing but pleased with my EBC rotors and brakes. However those of you considering mixing pads with rotors EBC doesn't recommend, at least with some of there pads. I am on my 2nd set front pads now from them, and got about 25k out them. They have been worked hard but the rotors are still absolutely perfect and hardly even worn. But Todd theory is correct hold hot pads against rotor can cause warpage. Also the most over looked when changing rotors is not cleaning dirt and rust off hubs, this will give you that feeling of being warped rotors right out of the box.

2011 tuxedo black non pp, LMS stage 5, Corsa cat back, LMS down pipes, Airaid, Alky control meth injection, Megan Racing coil overs, EBC rotor&pads, Mobsteel grill, 2013 trans cooler. 403whp 417wtq 12.25 @ 110

Joleat

Quote from: shoman04 on January 30, 2014, 09:51:26 PM
Sorry Joleat about your disk warping, But I have had my pwr-stop for 7mo 15000mi and my dealer took my hole fwr end apart to fix my PTU AND NO BRAKE PROBLEM at all.

No worries Shoman. I suspect the quality control just isn't there. At the price they can afford to sell an entire brake kit for, it's no wonder there are some duds rolling off the line. As discouraging as this is, I understood that I was taking a risk from the get go by purchasing from a company that isn't considered to be at the same level as some of the more well known brake parts makers. It sounds like you received a good kit though. Hopefully there are more good kits than bad.
Project: MKSinister-2011 Lincoln MKS EcoBoost-Tuxedo Black Metallic Exterior-Black Ultimate Leather Interior-EcoBoost Appearance Package-Unleashed SCT X4-3Bar MAP-SP534 Spark Plugs-Power Stop Drilled and Slotted Rotors and Evolution Ceramic Brake Pads-General G-Max AS-03 Tires-Debadged-Color Matched Grille-Anthracite Gray Wheels-Gloss Black Vinyl Over Chrome-35% Window Tint

Todd TCE

I understand that not everyone will agree with my suggestions. And I'm good with that.

But let's take a look at some other things here;

Replacement rotors are marketed by a variety of companies. But before we claim one to be better than another keep in mind that nearly all of these are imports from China, and many of them are reboxed from the same supplier under different brands. Centric being one of the largest I know of their parts come in a half dozen different "label" boxes/brands.

Taking that to the next level a lot of companies are selling special rotors with slots, holes or whatever in them. Meaning they are simply buying the least expensive part they can and prettying it up for you- slotting, plating and putting it in a techno looking box. The shear scope of it should nix any thoughts that anyone selling on ebay is certainly not making their own rotors! Even on the bigger scale the thought that there are dozens of foundries cranking out rotors for hundreds or thousands of vehicles is a bit unrealistic. I probably get one or two request a month to have my own needs cast by a Chinese company if I want to contact their company.

As for pads...there are quite a few pad suppliers and options. (a bit less grand scale operation compared to casting rotors!) I've been doing this for 22yrs now and other than carbon or Ti rotors I've never heard anyone suggest you cannot mix certain pads and rotors. That flys in the face of how a rotor functions- pad transfer being applied, pad material liking pad material etc. I've never seen an iron rotor that won't work with a specific pad- unless that pad was specific to things like Ti or Carbon. What I have seen however....is that some pad material is not compatible with other pad material. Once pad transfer is in place replacing that pad with an alternate compound can be dicey. For that very reason many suggest you replace both pads and rotor, or at least turn the disc before you fit new pads.

From personal experience running PFC pads (a high carbon pad) and then replacing it with another brand was simply not going to work. The transfer layer of pfc compound embedded in the iron created a ice-like surface that the other pad had no love for. There was nothing wrong with the other pad it just didn't have an attraction to the pfc material. The point being; if you swap pads only be certain the new pad is the same or will function with the older material. There is no need for replacing or cutting under such condition btw. Nor have I ever seen a need for brand specific pads to a specific rotor.
Todd
TCE

BiGMaC

Todd... Thanks for the info.  Clearly a lot of variables exist when mixing and matching begins.

•2013 Taurus SHO nonPP - All Ford factory options, 3BAR MAP, LMS v8 tune (mods for 3BAR, DPs, and T-stat), Paint & plastic correction, CQuart finest all exterior surfaces, limo black window tint,VLED Triton switchbacks, Daytime BrightLites switchback DRLs, full interior and exterior LED conversion, Lamin-X charcoal blackout tail lights and reflectors, PPE catted and coated downpipes, EBPP coated hotpipes with BoVs VTA, MDesign CAI
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SHOdded

Quote from: Todd TCE on January 31, 2014, 10:26:42 AMFrom personal experience running PFC pads (a high carbon pad) and then replacing it with another brand was simply not going to work. The transfer layer of pfc compound embedded in the iron created a ice-like surface that the other pad had no love for. There was nothing wrong with the other pad it just didn't have an attraction to the pfc material. The point being; if you swap pads only be certain the new pad is the same or will function with the older material. There is no need for replacing or cutting under such condition btw. Nor have I ever seen a need for brand specific pads to a specific rotor.
Thanks, Todd!  That certainly explains why my ProACT and HPS pads didn't seem to perform with the rotors after the (beloved) PFCs were ready for replacement.
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!