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New TSB for 3.5 GDI Sartup Rattle 15-0131

Started by BiGMaC, September 05, 2015, 10:19:59 AM

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BiGMaC

P0016 - generic camshaft position correlation sensor bank A

P0299 - turbocharger low boost

C1001 - unknown, maybe related to the backup camera if you have one.

•2013 Taurus SHO nonPP - All Ford factory options, 3BAR MAP, LMS v8 tune (mods for 3BAR, DPs, and T-stat), Paint & plastic correction, CQuart finest all exterior surfaces, limo black window tint,VLED Triton switchbacks, Daytime BrightLites switchback DRLs, full interior and exterior LED conversion, Lamin-X charcoal blackout tail lights and reflectors, PPE catted and coated downpipes, EBPP coated hotpipes with BoVs VTA, MDesign CAI
•2013 F250 CC Lariat 6.7EB Diesel -stock

68_GT

2013 PP SHO LMS 93V10 tune, 170* T stat, 3bar, K&N drop in, plugs re-gapped, 4in exhaust tips.
UPDATE - 130K miles =blown engine. Unleashed tune and EBPP upgrade turbo billet wheels / Turbo Smart WGA's on a bran new long block. Let's get this SHO on the road !

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AJP turbo

Do those codes come on when stock? I'd get that thing to the dealer!
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BiGMaC

#93
Quote from: 68_GT on May 30, 2016, 09:41:43 PM
any idea for fixes ???
Not for the "C" code, but does your camera work? This is s general electrical failure code ... The P0299 could be s turbo... More likely a turbo leak though.. So check all the plastic charge pipes and hoses/connections to it ...and look hard as turbo leaks are hard to find. The camshaft sensor likely speaks for itself... But has catastrophic implications.

•2013 Taurus SHO nonPP - All Ford factory options, 3BAR MAP, LMS v8 tune (mods for 3BAR, DPs, and T-stat), Paint & plastic correction, CQuart finest all exterior surfaces, limo black window tint,VLED Triton switchbacks, Daytime BrightLites switchback DRLs, full interior and exterior LED conversion, Lamin-X charcoal blackout tail lights and reflectors, PPE catted and coated downpipes, EBPP coated hotpipes with BoVs VTA, MDesign CAI
•2013 F250 CC Lariat 6.7EB Diesel -stock

John Miller

Funny thing, seeing this thread today about the startup rattle.

Since I got my 2015 SHO with 18k on the clock, it has had about a 1/2 second rattle sound on startup.  Worse when cold, though it will do it at least a little anytime the car sits for more than a few minutes.  But, again, we are talking 1/2 second worth, nothing more.

I always assumed it was "normal" sounds from the engine until oil pressure built.  Kind of like a dry engine for a split second that then fixes itself through lubrication.  I have heard other cars (all different makes and models) do this too, especially when cold.

But yesterday, I test drove a 2011 SHO with 39k on it (to possibly buy for the wife).  That thing was quiet as a church mouse on startup.  Even sounded much less "diesel" like when idling than my car does - both warm and cold.  Kind of annoyed me :).  The wife ended up getting the 4 cylinder Ecoboost Fusion, and that thing is quiet, too.

In the end, I suspect some Ecoboosts will do this a little, some a bunch, some not at all.  Probably a "tolerance stack" issue that adds up to create this symptom for X percentage.
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68_GT

Quote from: BiGMaC on May 30, 2016, 11:00:48 PM
Quote from: 68_GT on May 30, 2016, 09:41:43 PM
any idea for fixes ???
The camshaft sensor likely speaks for itself... But has catastrophic implications.
please elaborate !!

yeah my backup camera seems to have a glitch every once in awhile it doesn't come on...
2013 PP SHO LMS 93V10 tune, 170* T stat, 3bar, K&N drop in, plugs re-gapped, 4in exhaust tips.
UPDATE - 130K miles =blown engine. Unleashed tune and EBPP upgrade turbo billet wheels / Turbo Smart WGA's on a bran new long block. Let's get this SHO on the road !

2013 Fusion Titanium 2.0 EB daily driver ;) - LMS 93 tune and CPE intercooler

Woody

I took my MKS with 65k in for startup noise and after they mentioned timing chain related components, I found these TSB's.  They are going to have my car all week doing this and some other maintenance things.  I'm guessing the whole engine is coming out to get at the chain as the front cover probably won't fit out by the shock tower.  Glad I'm under warranty until 12/18 or 125k.

SHOdded

They don't have to remove the engine exactly, but they do have to remove the motor mount and hoist the engine to get at the front cover.  So yeah ... Warranty GOOD!
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If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

sholxgt

I have heard the rattle once on mine and will be paying close attention.  I know the rattle well since I owned a CV with a 4.6 that also had the problem.  Pretty sad that Ford has had this issue with other motors since the '90's and is still releasing motors with timing chain related issues.
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FoMoCoSHO

I went back to amsoil with a motorcraft filter and the rattle is still there.

SHOdded

How much time/mileage has elapsed since going back to the Amsoil/MC? Wonder if they are machining the oil passages too small, wouldn't surprise me.
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

Woody

Here is a video I took of mine the day I took it to the dealer.  Sounds like the same noise as the F150's, just not as extreme.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/randalsmith/shares/5rv43i

SHOdded

Probably would sound worse with the hood open/cover off?
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

Woody

Quote from: SHOdded on June 07, 2016, 07:45:41 AM
Probably would sound worse with the hood open/cover off?

I'm sure it was.  That was what I heard every morning and all my passengers would hear and say "what's wrong with your car?"  Now that I understand a bit more what is going on, I can see it being the chain slapping around a bit. 

FoMoCoSHO

Quote from: SHOdded on June 06, 2016, 06:43:54 PM
How much time/mileage has elapsed since going back to the Amsoil/MC? Wonder if they are machining the oil passages too small, wouldn't surprise me.

Less than a week and 100 miles.