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Cold start rattle - timing chain / phasers

Started by 93Cobra, January 15, 2016, 12:32:05 PM

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Nasty93

mine does it pretty bad on every cold start up, dealer only for oil changes - 5-20 syn blend
2013 SHO PP - Unleashed Tune/3 bar /Magnaflow Catback /1 Step colder plugs/H&R springs/Cold Air/Caliper Covers

1993 Z28 88mm Turbo - street car

SHOdded

Should be 5w30 for the 2013.  Make sure that's what they are putting in too.  A lot of dealers use "bulk bins" for oil, and you don't really know what's going into your vehicle's engine.
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

JDW1

Mine does this regularly but not every time i start it cold.  I'm interested in the "fix". 
13 SHO, Unleashed 3bar Tune, 1 step cooler NGK's, MDesign CAI, 170 t-stat and meth.

ZSHO

#18
I guess sticking with the oem Ford FL-500S oil filter along with a Full synthetic oil will ultimately be the best choice for your vehicle,found a comparison study which shows the Ford oil filter being less restrictive and providing a better flow rate,pics below of the Motorcraft oil filter in the middle,think its a Fram oil filter next to it.  Z


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FoMoCoSHO

Quote from: ZSHO on January 29, 2016, 01:38:19 PM
I guess sticking with the oem Ford FL-500S oil filter along with a Full synthetic oil will ultimately be the best choice for your vehicle,found a comparison study which shows the Ford oil filter being less restrictive and providing a better flow rate,pics below of the Motorcraft oil filter in the middle,think its a Fram oil filter next to it.  Z
I agree with the filter part but I wouldn't use Ford oil in my lawnmower.

JDW1

^lol.  I use the K&N filter with Mobile1 10-30. 
13 SHO, Unleashed 3bar Tune, 1 step cooler NGK's, MDesign CAI, 170 t-stat and meth.

ZSHO

#21
Quote from: JDW1 on January 29, 2016, 03:08:06 PM
^lol.  I use the K&N filter with Mobile1 10-30.
If you like using Mobil 1 then you should use 5w-30 labeled on your oil cap along with a Motorcraft FL-500S oil filter and see if the noise goes away,BTW think the Fram and K&N filter are made from cardboard inside,no metal frame inside.  Z


2013 Performance Package SHO| Livernois Custom Methanol Tune|3-Bar Map|Reische-170-Stat|Full Race Tial-10psi BOV in Black|PPE-Gloss Black Hot Pipes|EPP Dual Intake in Gloss Black|PPE Catted DP|Corsa Sport Cat Back Exhaust|H&R Sport-Springs|CFM Performance Billet Valve Cover Breather In Gloss Black|Llumar 20%Ceramic window Tint|MSD Ignition Coils in Black|Extreme Roof Spoiler|Redline Fluids all around|Gearhead Intercooler|First-SHO With Direct Port Alky-VP-M1-100%-Methanol Injection|LMS-Custom-Dyno-Tuned @ 415whp-465wtq| Best Trap Speed of 115.54 mph|

FoMoCoSHO

Quote from: ZSHO on January 29, 2016, 03:30:24 PM
Quote from: JDW1 on January 29, 2016, 03:08:06 PM
^lol.  I use the K&N filter with Mobile1 10-30.
If you like using Mobil 1 then you should use 5w-30 labeled on your oil cap along with a Motorcraft FL-500S oil filter and see if the noise goes away,BTW think the Fram and K&N filter are made from cardboard inside,no metal frame inside.  Z
I wholeheartedly agree with Z on this as the 5 weight will be thinner at startup and get into the nooks and crannies faster. I'm pretty sure Mobil has a 0-30 full synthetic as well...which is what I would run especially if you live in a climate that gets cold.

AJP turbo

Yep..0-30 amsoil signature series in mine...thin and quick flowing when cold and appropriate viscosity when warm...all year oil.

Ive read even 0 doesnt flow fast enough on initial start when cold...so basically cant go too low and when it warms up it doesnt matter what the first number is anyway
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JDW1

#24
Derp, typo on the 10w, I do use 5-30 but I will def try the MC filter next time. Thanks guys.  Also, I'm in Alabama so it doesn't get super cold, 0-30 may be a little much.
13 SHO, Unleashed 3bar Tune, 1 step cooler NGK's, MDesign CAI, 170 t-stat and meth.

FoMoCoSHO

Quote from: JDW1 on January 30, 2016, 01:59:36 PM
Derp, typo on the 10w, I do use 5-30 but I will def try the MC filter next time. Thanks guys.  Also, I'm in Alabama so it doesn't get super cold, 0-30 may be a little much.
You can never have too little viscosity at startup. That is where 80% of engine wear occurs. The thinner it is the faster it gets to the moving parts.

JDW1

Wouldn't your climate matter on the selection of your viscosity though? This came to me later, I'm pretty sure it matters.
13 SHO, Unleashed 3bar Tune, 1 step cooler NGK's, MDesign CAI, 170 t-stat and meth.

SHOdded

Used to be the mfr's would suggest running a heavier weight oil in summertime and a lighter oil in wintertime, for appropriate startup characteristics.  Now it's the same oil year round.  Oils and their performance characteristics have improved greatly over time, partly reflected in the SAE ratings.  So I would take the mfr's guidance seriously for year-round performance.  If you consider changing to another oil/weight, compare the characteristics to make sure that your new oil will meet or exceed the requirements, the "meets xxxx specs" being a starting point. 

Although this is not as much of an issue anymore, in the past, when dino spec'd oil was the norm, people started using a full synth (usually Mobil 1) of the same weight.  Unfortunately, the full-synth oil did not really behave even close to what the dino oil was expected to, and proved too thin for practical use (outside engine tolerances), causing oil leaks through seals.  So if you were supposed to use 5W30 dino, you would have to use 5W40 full synth for comparable performance inside the engine.
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!


AJP turbo

SCT Dealer/Custom Calibrator                        
Specializing in 3.5 Ecoboost   
Remote/email custom tuning including E85 blends 
Authorized retailer for all SCT devices. 
 
Former:2014 PP SHO
3 bar 93 tune, Airaid, Stainless Works non catted DP's  
405whp/520tq
Dyno
     
Current:2016 F150 2.7 Ecoboost
Tuning in progress