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Codes P2196 and P2198 for 2013 SHO after SHO's been sitting a while

Started by wasinger3000, August 29, 2015, 02:44:22 PM

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wasinger3000

August 29, 2015, 02:44:22 PM
Apparently my car doesn't like sitting. Haven't driven it for 3 weeks until today. Now I'm getting O2 sensor faults and my boost gauge stopped working...
13' SHO, Non-PP, Tuned by Torrie, Meth injection, 3 bar, 170* stat, custom axle back exhaust, Prosport Boost gauge.
15' F150 Lariat Sport, all the options, 3.5L Eco. (fiancée ride.)
13' GTCS, will be missed.

FoMoCoSHO

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August 29, 2015, 03:50:10 PM
Quote from: wasinger3000 on August 29, 2015, 02:44:22 PM
Apparently my car doesn't like sitting. Haven't driven it for 3 weeks until today. Now I'm getting O2 sensor faults and my boost gauge stopped working...
Hmmm, I would check for rodent damage...

wasinger3000

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August 29, 2015, 03:58:17 PM
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on August 29, 2015, 03:50:10 PM
Quote from: wasinger3000 on August 29, 2015, 02:44:22 PM
Apparently my car doesn't like sitting. Haven't driven it for 3 weeks until today. Now I'm getting O2 sensor faults and my boost gauge stopped working...
Hmmm, I would check for rodent damage...
Just got done checking over everything. The plug going into the boost gauge unplugged itself. Assuming from contraction/expansion cycles of the cable since it's tight.


As for the 02 that's still unsolved. No wire damage since all the sensors produce data. Just says the first sensor in both banks is stuck rich.
13' SHO, Non-PP, Tuned by Torrie, Meth injection, 3 bar, 170* stat, custom axle back exhaust, Prosport Boost gauge.
15' F150 Lariat Sport, all the options, 3.5L Eco. (fiancée ride.)
13' GTCS, will be missed.

ZSHO

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August 29, 2015, 04:23:17 PM
Quote from: wasinger3000 on August 29, 2015, 03:58:17 PM
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on August 29, 2015, 03:50:10 PM
Quote from: wasinger3000 on August 29, 2015, 02:44:22 PM
Apparently my car doesn't like sitting. Haven't driven it for 3 weeks until today. Now I'm getting O2 sensor faults and my boost gauge stopped working...
Hmmm, I would check for rodent damage...
Just got done checking over everything. The plug going into the boost gauge unplugged itself. Assuming from contraction/expansion cycles of the cable since it's tight.


As for the 02 that's still unsolved. No wire damage since all the sensors produce data. Just says the first sensor in both banks is stuck rich.
Check your map sensors!!!!. Z


2013 Performance Package SHO| Livernois Custom Methanol Tune|3-Bar Map|Reische-170-Stat|Full Race Tial-10psi BOV in Black|PPE-Gloss Black Hot Pipes|EPP Dual Intake in Gloss Black|PPE Catted DP|Corsa Sport Cat Back Exhaust|H&R Sport-Springs|CFM Performance Billet Valve Cover Breather In Gloss Black|Llumar 20%Ceramic window Tint|MSD Ignition Coils in Black|Extreme Roof Spoiler|Redline Fluids all around|Gearhead Intercooler|First-SHO With Direct Port Alky-VP-M1-100%-Methanol Injection|LMS-Custom-Dyno-Tuned @ 415whp-465wtq| Best Trap Speed of 115.54 mph|

wasinger3000

#4
August 29, 2015, 04:27:55 PM
Quote from: ZSHO on August 29, 2015, 04:23:17 PM
Quote from: wasinger3000 on August 29, 2015, 03:58:17 PM
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on August 29, 2015, 03:50:10 PM
Quote from: wasinger3000 on August 29, 2015, 02:44:22 PM
Apparently my car doesn't like sitting. Haven't driven it for 3 weeks until today. Now I'm getting O2 sensor faults and my boost gauge stopped working...
Hmmm, I would check for rodent damage...
Just got done checking over everything. The plug going into the boost gauge unplugged itself. Assuming from contraction/expansion cycles of the cable since it's tight.


As for the 02 that's still unsolved. No wire damage since all the sensors produce data. Just says the first sensor in both banks is stuck rich.
Check your map sensors!!!!. Z
I'll do that now. Thanks for the heads up!
13' SHO, Non-PP, Tuned by Torrie, Meth injection, 3 bar, 170* stat, custom axle back exhaust, Prosport Boost gauge.
15' F150 Lariat Sport, all the options, 3.5L Eco. (fiancée ride.)
13' GTCS, will be missed.

ZSHO

#5
August 30, 2015, 07:58:49 AM Last Edit: August 30, 2015, 08:05:11 AM by ZSHO
I found it intresting that the SHO uses a 200amp HD alternator and the interceptor uses a more robust 220amp,but dont think its a heavy duty version.  Z               http://www.ford.com/fordpoliceinterceptor/features/#/durability/durability_02/


2013 Performance Package SHO| Livernois Custom Methanol Tune|3-Bar Map|Reische-170-Stat|Full Race Tial-10psi BOV in Black|PPE-Gloss Black Hot Pipes|EPP Dual Intake in Gloss Black|PPE Catted DP|Corsa Sport Cat Back Exhaust|H&R Sport-Springs|CFM Performance Billet Valve Cover Breather In Gloss Black|Llumar 20%Ceramic window Tint|MSD Ignition Coils in Black|Extreme Roof Spoiler|Redline Fluids all around|Gearhead Intercooler|First-SHO With Direct Port Alky-VP-M1-100%-Methanol Injection|LMS-Custom-Dyno-Tuned @ 415whp-465wtq| Best Trap Speed of 115.54 mph|

wasinger3000

#6
August 30, 2015, 07:36:26 PM
Still throwing codes. It's running very rich right now.
13' SHO, Non-PP, Tuned by Torrie, Meth injection, 3 bar, 170* stat, custom axle back exhaust, Prosport Boost gauge.
15' F150 Lariat Sport, all the options, 3.5L Eco. (fiancée ride.)
13' GTCS, will be missed.

SHOdded

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August 30, 2015, 07:40:21 PM Last Edit: August 30, 2015, 07:56:41 PM by SHOdded
Whats in the fuel tank right now?  Checked for vacuum leaks/split piping?

On other Ford models, this points to a TSB for a stuck EVAP purge valve, possibly:
http://www.revbase.com/BBBMotor/TSb/DownloadPdf?id=173431
P144A, P2196, P2198, P1450, P0455, P0456, and/or P0457

Inspect EVAP canister for liquid fuel.  If found, replace EVAP valve.

Another owner mentioned that Bosch replacements turned out to be junk, and Motorcraft parts fixed the problem.
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

wasinger3000

#8
August 30, 2015, 11:05:48 PM
Quote from: SHOdded on August 30, 2015, 07:40:21 PM
Whats in the fuel tank right now?  Checked for vacuum leaks/split piping?

On other Ford models, this points to a TSB for a stuck EVAP purge valve, possibly:
http://www.revbase.com/BBBMotor/TSb/DownloadPdf?id=173431
P144A, P2196, P2198, P1450, P0455, P0456, and/or P0457

Inspect EVAP canister for liquid fuel.  If found, replace EVAP valve.

Another owner mentioned that Bosch replacements turned out to be junk, and Motorcraft parts fixed the problem.
I was afraid of this... I had two crap dealers try and fix this issue. One dealer installed the issues and the other "fixed it".

I guess I'll take it back in. :(

13' SHO, Non-PP, Tuned by Torrie, Meth injection, 3 bar, 170* stat, custom axle back exhaust, Prosport Boost gauge.
15' F150 Lariat Sport, all the options, 3.5L Eco. (fiancée ride.)
13' GTCS, will be missed.

SHOdded

#9
August 30, 2015, 11:18:31 PM
Maybe on the right track then, just not far enough "up-river".
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

SHOdded

#10
August 31, 2015, 01:29:44 AM
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

ZSHO

#11
August 31, 2015, 08:28:02 AM
I guess based on your DTC'S it could be related to your front HO2S sensor(lack of switching)malfunctions or by shifts in the fuel system.  Z


2013 Performance Package SHO| Livernois Custom Methanol Tune|3-Bar Map|Reische-170-Stat|Full Race Tial-10psi BOV in Black|PPE-Gloss Black Hot Pipes|EPP Dual Intake in Gloss Black|PPE Catted DP|Corsa Sport Cat Back Exhaust|H&R Sport-Springs|CFM Performance Billet Valve Cover Breather In Gloss Black|Llumar 20%Ceramic window Tint|MSD Ignition Coils in Black|Extreme Roof Spoiler|Redline Fluids all around|Gearhead Intercooler|First-SHO With Direct Port Alky-VP-M1-100%-Methanol Injection|LMS-Custom-Dyno-Tuned @ 415whp-465wtq| Best Trap Speed of 115.54 mph|

BiGMaC

#12
August 31, 2015, 09:40:17 AM
Wass.... Good advice from Z and Manu.  Both the codes are related to a stuck or biased O2sensor for bank 2 ( the front 3 cylinders) of the engine.

A bad O2 sensor, a leaking injector, or a purge valve/canister are high possibilities. 

If you're wrenching yourself, I'd start at the O2 sensors... Maybe switch them and see if the code switches to bank 1.... If not I'd check the purge valve canister for liquid next.  The parts to replace all three of these should be $100 or so if you chose to do that... Depending on your odometer. I'd look at the injector last personally.
If you have a warranty or don't wrench I'd recommend a dealer trip.
Just my $0.02....

I would note that this is an important  kind of troubleshooting/maintenance topic that will be hard to find for others in the the future... Maybe it should be be moved to it's own thread?

Good luck Wass....

•2013 Taurus SHO nonPP - All Ford factory options, 3BAR MAP, LMS v8 tune (mods for 3BAR, DPs, and T-stat), Paint & plastic correction, CQuart finest all exterior surfaces, limo black window tint,VLED Triton switchbacks, Daytime BrightLites switchback DRLs, full interior and exterior LED conversion, Lamin-X charcoal blackout tail lights and reflectors, PPE catted and coated downpipes, EBPP coated hotpipes with BoVs VTA, MDesign CAI
•2013 F250 CC Lariat 6.7EB Diesel -stock

wasinger3000

#13
August 31, 2015, 10:12:28 AM
Hard to think an O2 sensor is bad at 27k but I know anything is possible.

I will say that every time I fill fuel I have an extended crank time before it starts. It's been like that ever since they started messing with the fuel pump recall. I have just delt with it seeing as they always fight me on fixing the car.

It must be fuel system related since it's the only thing that has been continually problematic.

I might pull the purge valve on my own just to check it and save the trouble of a dealer visit.
13' SHO, Non-PP, Tuned by Torrie, Meth injection, 3 bar, 170* stat, custom axle back exhaust, Prosport Boost gauge.
15' F150 Lariat Sport, all the options, 3.5L Eco. (fiancée ride.)
13' GTCS, will be missed.

SHOdded

#14
August 31, 2015, 10:25:00 AM
With any luck it is right up against the firewall in the engine bay, just like in the Edge.
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!
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