Codes P2196 and P2198 for 2013 SHO after SHO's been sitting a while

ZSHO · August 31, 2015, 10:52:21 AM

Its definetly a common issue with the purge valve,make sure to get the correct part,it has an inlet and outlet on both sides. Z http://www.tascaparts.com/ford/taurus/ag1z9d653c/2013-year/sho-trim/3-5l-v6-gas-engine/emission-system-cat/emission-components-scat/?part_name=vapor-canister

wasinger3000 · August 31, 2015, 12:29:59 PM

Thanks for all the help guys. I talked to a tech that I know and he said the way they test if it's mechanically stuck is to disconnect the line from the tank, unplug the purge valve, start the car, and feel for any vacuum. If it does have suction then it's faulty.

SHOdded · August 31, 2015, 02:19:30 PM

F150 EVAP purge valve test:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu1vlIOQOyk

ZSHO · August 31, 2015, 02:43:10 PM

Great info -Manu. BTW heres another video on the 2009+purge valve. Z https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6dsQoq73aE

BiGMaC · August 31, 2015, 03:19:23 PM

Interesting that the valve is known to fail as early as 4K miles! Also interesting that it can cause rich codes which later become lean codes. Great vids guys.

I love Ford Tech Makuloco vids.... But I wonder if that is really his name... Make You Loco, LOL.

SHOdded · August 31, 2015, 05:40:02 PM

Quote from: BiGMaC on August 31, 2015, 03:19:23 PM
I love Ford Tech Makuloco vids.... But I wonder if that is really his name... Make You Loco, LOL.

Hah! Good one. We do owe him a debt for putting out all the info he has.

blaine109 · September 29, 2015, 06:37:18 PM

Can anyone point me in the right direction to find where the EVAP Purge Valve is located on a 2010 Taurus SHO? (picture would be appreciated)

I have these 2 codes (P2196 & P2198). I also sometimes get P1450 and extended crank time after a filling up with gas. All of which point to an issue with the EVAP system.

AJP turbo · September 29, 2015, 06:56:29 PM

Quote from: SHOdded on August 31, 2015, 05:40:02 PM
Quote from: BiGMaC on August 31, 2015, 03:19:23 PM
I love Ford Tech Makuloco vids.... But I wonder if that is really his name... Make You Loco, LOL.
Hah! Good one. We do owe him a debt for putting out all the info he has.

I owe nobody

SHOdded · September 29, 2015, 07:03:38 PM

Quote from: blaine109 on September 29, 2015, 06:37:18 PM
Can anyone point me in the right direction to find where the EVAP Purge Valve is located on a 2010 Taurus SHO? (picture would be appreciated)

I have these 2 codes (P2196 & P2198). I also sometimes get P1450 and extended crank time after a filling up with gas. All of which point to an issue with the EVAP system.

Luckily, iHeartGroceries has an illustrated pic in his Spark Plug Replacement HOWTO here:
http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,1980.msg26872.html#msg26872

To quote:

QuoteTo begin, you'll have to displace the EVAP/purge apparatus, which is plumbed into the valve cover. This is on the passenger side cylinder (forgive me, as I am not sure how the cylinders are numbered). It is fastened to the valve. cover with three 8mm bolts. They are circled in red. The front two come easy. For the rear, it is buried under the wire harness. You will have to push the harness aside, in order to get to this one. It may be a little stubborn, as the harness is anchored on this valve cover vent apparatus.

ZSHO · September 29, 2015, 07:25:22 PM

I would also check the purge valve solenoid which is located by the manifold,it sounds like you have a closed CVS (CANISTER VENT SOLENOID)Stuck closed based on the code P1450,pics below and hope this helps any. Z https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6dsQoq73aE That faulty CVS is causing your slow fill up,its a common part that fails quite so often. Z

SHOdded · July 11, 2016, 07:36:04 AM

blaine109, wasinger, did you get these codes resolved? What was the solution? TIA for updating.

blaine109 · July 12, 2016, 09:45:09 PM

Negative. I replaced the entire canister but still have the issue. I think there is another purge valve somewhere but cannot locate.

SHOdded · July 13, 2016, 12:21:19 AM

There is a solenoid next to the canister, and there is a purge valve in the engine compartment in the valley.

Item Part Number Description
1 — Fuel vapor tube-to-Evaporative Emission (EVAP) canister quick connect coupling (part of 9J279)
2 — Fuel vapor tube assembly-to- EVAP canister quick connect coupling (part of 9C015)
3 — Fresh air hose-to-dust separator
4 14A464 EVAP canister vent solenoid electrical connector
5 W711411 EVAP canister J-clip mounting stud (4 required)
6 9G676 Dust separator and EVAP solenoid assembly
7 9E857 EVAP canister
8 W711059 EVAP canister nut (5 required)

EVAP Purge Valve (#2)

blaine109 · July 28, 2016, 10:15:10 AM

Can you confirm the part number for the EVAP Purge Valve as 7U5Z-9C915-D?

ZSHO · July 28, 2016, 11:09:31 AM

Quote from: blaine109 on July 28, 2016, 10:15:10 AM
Can you confirm the part number for the EVAP Purge Valve as 7U5Z-9C915-D?

It looks like thats the correct part but would verify fitment by typing in your vin number and also need to verify the build date(job number) for that particular year. www.fordparts.com. heres the link to the part 9C915 Purge valve solenoid. http://www.fordparts.com/Commerce/PartDetail.aspx? n=zzt0TZCKz0i1wvaHCSOWRg%3d%3d&id=349778073&m=2&search=true&year=2010&make=Ford&model=Taurus 9C915 on Diagram.