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Knock with stock tune at WOT.

Started by curry67, August 01, 2015, 05:11:43 PM

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curry67

Alright now to jam my hand in there and get some tape on them

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ZSHO

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I reading about the design of the knock sensor input circuitry,a short to battery,short to ground,or open circuit all result is a low knock signal voltage output,this output voltage is compared to a noise signal threshold (function of engine rpm and load)to determine knock sensor circuit high,circuit low or performance faults,some PCM/ECM modules use a driver circuit that will periodically and actively test the knock sensors lines for short circuit faults,in these modules supplemental codes can be set for the short circuit condition ,some PCM/ECM  modules use standalone knock IC,in these modules the knock signal processing chip SPI bus is checked for proper communication between the main processor and the chip used as the interface the knock sensor,would also check for any codes set and monitor the high (knock retard)with obd scanner as SHOdded mentioned above,personaly have the MX obd bluetooth adapter along with torque pro which really comes in handy to monitor your vehicles functions,the above is a brief description of the sensors primary function,due apologize for the lengthy post on this topic just sometimes get in the mood to read and learn more about our vehicles aspects and all and before taking it to our local friendly dealer which most of us hate.  Z


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curry67

This knock is driving me nuts I feel like this isn't gonna work. I don't feel comfortable tuning it anymore.

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curry67

I have a sct x4 I datalog with. I almost always see knock from 3 to 6 at wot for a split second.

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ZSHO

Are there any codes,DTC'S set that you know off Curry.


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SHOdded

Like FoMoCo pointed out, do you see a gearshift at the same time?  Is the SHO losing any power at the time the knock occurs?  If a gearshift is happening and there is no power loss, I would probably keep an eye on it, but not worry about it.
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If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

BiGMaC

Quote from: curry67 on August 02, 2015, 01:39:53 PM
I have a sct x4 I datalog with. I almost always see knock from 3 to 6 at wot for a split second.

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Z is probably correct, but I do wonder about adequate function of fuel pumps... Maybe you're getting too lean for that instant.

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curry67

I could post a log if you guys would like

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AJP turbo

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SHOdded

2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

FoMoCoSHO

Quote from: curry67 on August 02, 2015, 01:35:55 PM
This knock is driving me nuts I feel like this isn't gonna work. I don't feel comfortable tuning it anymore.

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Lol, dump some 87 in your tank on the stock tune.....

Your head will probably explode.

I wouldn't get too worked up, the car is very good at protecting itself.

curry67

I just don't think I should see any with 94 octane and 10 percent ethanol. It's top tier supposedly.

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AJP turbo

Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on August 02, 2015, 02:13:27 PM
Quote from: curry67 on August 02, 2015, 01:35:55 PM
This knock is driving me nuts I feel like this isn't gonna work. I don't feel comfortable tuning it anymore.

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Lol, dump some 87 in your tank on the stock tune.....

Your head will probably explode.

I wouldn't get too worked up, the car is very good at protecting itself.

This is true...However, Fomo's head is a little more susceptible to explosions because it works overtime lol...

But not only is the ECU good at protecting itself but it also rides the edge of performance for a given fuel. That's the beauty of having knock sensors. You will never see an inactive knock sensor, remember that. I've also seen a lot of people misinterpret data logs when trying to diagnose a problem or even a perceived problem that doesn't even exist.

When you see knock sensor reading it's most likely not knocking but the PID is displaying how much timing was removed to prevent the knock from occurring so you can rest easy.

The benefit of having knock sensors it to keep the cars running consistent over long periods of time to compensate for changes in atmosphere, engine environment, fuel quality, physically degraded engine components
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curry67

So would thst explain higher knock readings on higher octane?

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Quote from: curry67 on August 02, 2015, 02:16:43 PM
I just don't think I should see any with 94 octane and 10 percent ethanol. It's top tier supposedly.

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I've said this before but there will always be new people self diagnosing their own cars....Nothing wrong with that but it can be tough....Not saying this is always true but the average end user that has a tune or is stock can't see the entire situation.

I can make a tune and run 87 octane  and make it so the knock sensors are ADDING timing and you can have a tune where you run race fuel and the ECU will pull timing....It's all on how the base tables are set...If I set the tables with 15 degrees less than stock then even with 87 octane the ECU will add timing.

I know that some performance tunes simply add a few degrees of global timing then the result it more power and timing advance to whatever the fuel and situation can tolerate....If it can't tolerate it then you wiil see knock sensor retard
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Specializing in 3.5 Ecoboost   
Remote/email custom tuning including E85 blends 
Authorized retailer for all SCT devices. 
 
Former:2014 PP SHO
3 bar 93 tune, Airaid, Stainless Works non catted DP's  
405whp/520tq
Dyno
     
Current:2016 F150 2.7 Ecoboost
Tuning in progress