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"How- to" Access Advanced Ford PIDs Using a Scan Tool

Started by breeves002, July 18, 2013, 04:04:08 PM

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ecoboostsho

Okay so I tried to access the MS CAN network in the car with my MX (which does have the STN111070 chip and should support it) with Forscan and it was a no go.  It asks me if I have the switch (I say yes) and then it tries but doesn't get back anything.  It does see the following modules on the HS CAN but that isn't new.

Thoughts?
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EcoPowerParts

Amazing updates guys!
I'll have my local electrical guru buddy take a look with me while we're on the dyno so we can watch it happen. :)
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BTW, this lines up EXACTLY with what I was told from the engineer who designed the system. :)
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I'm being lazy if somebody could get me a part # of the ATCC solenoid maybe I can buy one to play with out of the car. :)
I searched quickly but couldn't find one on fordparts.com
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adelsin

Mentioned in another thread.., looks like the solenoid is a part of the rear assembly. Part 4000.

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breeves002

Congrats on the twins!!!

Lee and I have FWD cars (2008 Sable Premier FWD and 2010 Fusion Sport FWD), so we can't even look into the AWD computer because we don't have one!!

Anyways, we won't be doing this mod, he only thought of this idea and put it out there. I'm sure he'll have something to say about it later. I'm actually in school at Washington University in St. Louis to become and electrical engineer, so cool!
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breeves002

Oh also from Lee last night:

So I was not able to find a torque spec for the torque coupling.  The 150 lb-ft max thing seems to be spread around by EcoBrick Bob on SHO forums based on his own testing and assumptions.  But I agree that number sound plausible based on the size of the unit and how the torque bias is set up on the AWD system.  Stock torque is 350 lb-ft, and I think the driveline loss is about 20-25%, so that means at 50/50 split the rear would get about 130-140 lb-ft.  The clutches can only hold so tight, so above that threshold they will start to slip (which actually would be desirable to mitigate axle wind-up).  It's possible the max torque may be slightly higher (like 175 lb-ft), but that would be wasteful over-engineering after that point (remember the engineers don't design for how much power tuners might make with cars).

The unit for 2013+ may be revised in some fashion, perhaps with greater torque capacity.
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breeves002

#67
Well dang! FORScan must only support MS-CAN through the ELM327 chip with a switch... Hmmm.... Feel like buying a $12 ELM327 and modifying it to my specs? I'm just curious what modules you have under MS-CAN.

One last thing to try: Hit no when it asks if you have a switch. Maybe it can find the MS-CAN modules that way. When you tell it yes, it is trying to search for more modules over the same bus it was just scanning (in theory its expecting the switch to be flipped so its guessing the modules are in the same place).
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2008 Mercury Sable Premier - 3.5L N/A Duratec

ecoboostsho

Tried hitting no and didn't get anywhere unfortunately. I see there is a programming reference available. Perhaps it needs a command to get into the right mode...
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Previous 2011 Tuxedo Black SHO w/PP - 12.89 1/4 Mile

breeves002

So some more from Lee (make an account already, Lee!):

"The critique about the solenoid current is valid, and I was aware of what he was saying, just didn't say it.  You would want to measure the energized solenoid current and then use Ohm's law to figure out the correct size of the resistor.

Bummer on the MX not connecting to MS-CAN.  Glad I went with the ELM327 then!  The developer might not support it yet, so someone should email them and ask for STN1170 support to be added.

The 2013+ Escape has a new torque coupling that allows 100% power to the rear wheels, so I would expect that to be added to the Taurus or at least the SHO at some point in the future.  The powertrains on those are really advanced and you can actually tow with them now (3500 lbs)!"

Can anyone say RWD burnouts?!
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adelsin

Im content with awd... just need to make sure it scales with power increases.

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breeves002

Though it would be cool to be able to control exactly how much power goes to the rear wheels versus the front wheels. At this point, thats a dream since the actual mechanics aren't designed for that.

Just gotta get the MS-CAN data to make sure we're not missing anything. Someone with a 2013 PLEASE go ahead and get an ELM327 and modify it like I show on the first page of this thread!
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adelsin

I will... I wil...

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breeves002

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adelsin

Is the MX confirmed for ms and hs can? I still want to try the no hs option first.

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