LMS Downpipes Installed

[FoMoCoSHO]

Research and development costs.....

Overhead including shop, tools, employees available to engineer the product from a thought to a working product.

[EcoPowerParts]

My question is... Why are these things so damn expensive? It's just 2 pipes with a couple bends in them... 1k for downpipes from ppe? Really?? 100$ per hp.. Prob cost 250$ to make these..


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The pipes are $760 on ecopowerparts.com + shipping.
Less exensive than any other downpipes AND 5" care amazing cats that supported 600WHP on my Flex.
WIN WIN

[f8tlSHO]

My question is... Why are these things so damn expensive? It's just 2 pipes with a couple bends in them... 1k for downpipes from ppe? Really?? 100$ per hp.. Prob cost 250$ to make these..


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The pipes are $760 on ecopowerparts.com + shipping.
Less exensive than any other downpipes AND 5" care amazing cats that supported 600WHP on my Flex.
WIN WIN

Is 760$ for catted?


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[EcoPowerParts]

Sorry to post about our parts on a LMS titled thread but yes, $760 + shipping.

http://www.ecopowerparts.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=24

[vernonator]

I think I will do catted, just because of the hassle of inspection and the stink of un burnt fuel. Did you do a before and after at the track?


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Just an FYI - I have been running the un-catted PPE version with a Livernois 4+ tune for almost a year and there is NO "un burnt fuel smell" - none, nada, nothing. Once the grease burnt off the new pipes you could not tell anything had changed via smell OR tailpipe output.....

[f8tlSHO]

I think I will do catted, just because of the hassle of inspection and the stink of un burnt fuel. Did you do a before and after at the track?


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Just an FYI - I have been running the un-catted PPE version with a Livernois 4+ tune for almost a year and there is NO "un burnt fuel smell" - none, nada, nothing. Once the grease burnt off the new pipes you could not tell anything had changed via smell OR tailpipe output.....

What about inspection? Do you have emissions ?


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[Livernois Motorsports]

Ceramic coated they look nice

Rich

I agree, the ceramic coating definitely is a nice touch!  Looks great and will hold up longer to our harsh Michigan weather / roads.

[vernonator]

I think I will do catted, just because of the hassle of inspection and the stink of un burnt fuel. Did you do a before and after at the track?


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Just an FYI - I have been running the un-catted PPE version with a Livernois 4+ tune for almost a year and there is NO "un burnt fuel smell" - none, nada, nothing. Once the grease burnt off the new pipes you could not tell anything had changed via smell OR tailpipe output.....

What about inspection? Do you have emissions ?


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We are not saddled with emissions testing here so cannot comment on that. Only difference was the improvement of performance

[BiGMaC]

And it will stay that way as long as your 3rd cat is in place.

[f8tlSHO]

And it will stay that way as long as your 3rd cat is in place.

what will stay that way? The stink not being there?


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[BiGMaC]

And it will stay that way as long as your 3rd cat is in place.

what will stay that way? The stink not being there?


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Exactly.

[f8tlSHO]

I am just not sure about emissions.. They don't do a sniff test in my area but I believe it has to have a visable cat. Not sure if just having the 3rd one counts


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[Gray Brick]

My Flex has uncatted pipes and there is occasionally white smoke and a slight smell. 

Well worth it though!!!

[BiGMaC]

I am just not sure about emissions.. They don't do a sniff test in my area but I believe it has to have a visable cat. Not sure if just having the 3rd one counts


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Likely they will want to see the cats on the DPs with a CARB number engraved.

[f8tlSHO]

I am just not sure about emissions.. They don't do a sniff test in my area but I believe it has to have a visable cat. Not sure if just having the 3rd one counts


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Likely they will want to see the cats on the DPs with a CARB number engraved.

That's kinda what I am thinking, how hard is it to change them out?.. First time will prob suck I imagine. Once you lather the bolts in antiseize they will be better


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