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Started by moem1090, February 26, 2015, 11:16:26 AM

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J-Will

Quote from: bpd1151 on February 26, 2015, 04:40:03 PM
Quote from: ElvenSho on February 26, 2015, 03:05:20 PMUntil few days ago before I started tuning with Torrie I wouldn't have known that weather or winter gas has an effect on the tunes.

It seems to me like people could blow up their cars or something if they plan to run a 93 octane tune as a dd during winter.

The obvious doesn't have to be stated here.....

The OP, who expressed excitement about his newly uploaded tune file (which happens to be from LMS and oddly enough, it is well known they don't utilize data logging) shouldn't have to concern himself with statements such as "people could blow up their cars" by implying they use a tune file that doesn't incorporate data logging for perceived winter fuel conditions.

That's a completely baseless allegation.

The fact is, any of the aftermarket tunes currently offered by any of the vendors thus far, have proven reliable and safe. Regardless of winter or summer fuel blends.

To the OP, once again, enjoy your newly found power. No matter what grade, or what blend of fuel you happen to use, you can feel comfortable and rest assured, regardless of reckless statements posted, you will not blow up your engine. Good God.

where were you in the other thread during the whole "each engine is different" argument was raised, and I was personally attacked for something about Kool-Aid and my brain (still dont understand what that means... maybe that was his point)? 
2014 Factory Order SHO (non pp) Deep Impact Blue
Gearhead Automotive Performance Tune
3-bar
SP-542 plugs w/ GH gap

ZSHO

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The tune in your ECU(Elrctronic control unit)contro;s every aspect of the engines operation,fuel,variable valve timing,rev limits,speed limirers,and many other functions,an experienced tuner like LME,Unleashed,is capable of writing a well balanced customized performance tune that is safe for all seasons,so relax and enjoy cause spring is around the corner.


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bpd1151

Quote from: ElvenSho on February 26, 2015, 04:49:37 PMhey bro I am not sure why your feeling the way you are, it might be that you have a tune that has not been datalogged? Not sure and really don't care. That statement could have been made for any tunes even the logged ones during summer time but using them in winter or logged in winter and used in summer...

Umm maybe I feel that way because the OP never once brought up datalogging for Winter Fuels. You did.

See/Refer below:

Quote from: ElvenSho on February 26, 2015, 02:28:23 PM
So did you get a tune specifically for the winter gas? I guess I am just trying to figure out how a tune without sending data logs can be as effective? I wouldn't feel as safe going WOT with it. Maybe the car still adjusts for it somehow?

Then once you follow it up with your comments about being Torrie tuned, and go even one step further (by overtly implying people who don't datalog can potentially blow up their engines) is just ludicrous.

See/Refer Below:

Quote from: ElvenSho on February 26, 2015, 03:05:20 PM
Until few days ago before I started tuning with Torrie I wouldn't have known that weather or winter gas has an effect on the tunes. It seems to me like people could blow up their cars or something if they plan to run a 93 octane tune as a dd during winter.

If you truly are desiring to learn about variations between seasonal blends, then go start a thread yourself on that very subject matter.

You don't need to come in here and crap on the OP's thread by making him worry that his engine will blow up because he, or others, don't datalog.

I can keep at this all day if I so choose.

Your implications aren't cared for. That's all.

Carry on.




wasinger3000

13' SHO, Non-PP, Tuned by Torrie, Meth injection, 3 bar, 170* stat, custom axle back exhaust, Prosport Boost gauge.
15' F150 Lariat Sport, all the options, 3.5L Eco. (fiancée ride.)
13' GTCS, will be missed.

ElvenSho

Quote from: bpd1151 on February 26, 2015, 05:36:05 PM
Quote from: ElvenSho on February 26, 2015, 04:49:37 PMhey bro I am not sure why your feeling the way you are, it might be that you have a tune that has not been datalogged? Not sure and really don't care. That statement could have been made for any tunes even the logged ones during summer time but using them in winter or logged in winter and used in summer...

Umm maybe I feel that way because the OP never once brought up datalogging for Winter Fuels. You did.

See/Refer below:

Quote from: ElvenSho on February 26, 2015, 02:28:23 PM
So did you get a tune specifically for the winter gas? I guess I am just trying to figure out how a tune without sending data logs can be as effective? I wouldn't feel as safe going WOT with it. Maybe the car still adjusts for it somehow?

Then once you follow it up with your comments about being Torrie tuned, and go even one step further (by overtly implying people who don't datalog can potentially blow up their engines) is just ludicrous.

See/Refer Below:

Quote from: ElvenSho on February 26, 2015, 03:05:20 PM
Until few days ago before I started tuning with Torrie I wouldn't have known that weather or winter gas has an effect on the tunes. It seems to me like people could blow up their cars or something if they plan to run a 93 octane tune as a dd during winter.

If you truly are desiring to learn about variations between seasonal blends, then go start a thread yourself on that very subject matter.

You don't need to come in here and crap on the OP's thread by making him worry that his engine will blow up because he, or others, don't datalog.

I can keep at this all day if I so choose.

Your implications aren't cared for. That's all.

Carry on.

So you'd rather not make him aware of the issue with winter gas and his tune that was written more then likely on summer gas while he is using winter gas? You are telling me there is no difference even though there is people in this thread stating there is? You would not make the OP aware of what COULD potentially happen but it does not mean it WILL. W/e dude I am not going to waste my time with you. OP I am sorry If I made you "worried about blowing up your engine" with some truth that some people in this thread do not like to hear.
2011 Red Taurus SHO- H&R springs, plugs, t-stat, 3bar, LMS dps, tuned by Torrie

ElvenSho

Quote from: J-Will on February 26, 2015, 05:24:53 PM
Quote from: bpd1151 on February 26, 2015, 04:40:03 PM
Quote from: ElvenSho on February 26, 2015, 03:05:20 PMUntil few days ago before I started tuning with Torrie I wouldn't have known that weather or winter gas has an effect on the tunes.

It seems to me like people could blow up their cars or something if they plan to run a 93 octane tune as a dd during winter.

The obvious doesn't have to be stated here.....

The OP, who expressed excitement about his newly uploaded tune file (which happens to be from LMS and oddly enough, it is well known they don't utilize data logging) shouldn't have to concern himself with statements such as "people could blow up their cars" by implying they use a tune file that doesn't incorporate data logging for perceived winter fuel conditions.

That's a completely baseless allegation.

The fact is, any of the aftermarket tunes currently offered by any of the vendors thus far, have proven reliable and safe. Regardless of winter or summer fuel blends.

To the OP, once again, enjoy your newly found power. No matter what grade, or what blend of fuel you happen to use, you can feel comfortable and rest assured, regardless of reckless statements posted, you will not blow up your engine. Good God.

where were you in the other thread during the whole "each engine is different" argument was raised, and I was personally attacked for something about Kool-Aid and my brain (still dont understand what that means... maybe that was his point)?

Every engine/car is different, Torrie had to adjust my base tune that he sent me because my fuel pump could not keep up. People are just funny these days.
2011 Red Taurus SHO- H&R springs, plugs, t-stat, 3bar, LMS dps, tuned by Torrie

J-Will

Quote from: wasinger3000 on February 26, 2015, 05:48:48 PM
#justaddmeth.

lol, I want to.  I'm waiting on a noisemaker eliminator pipe with a nozzle holder built in.
2014 Factory Order SHO (non pp) Deep Impact Blue
Gearhead Automotive Performance Tune
3-bar
SP-542 plugs w/ GH gap

wasinger3000

Quote from: J-Will on February 26, 2015, 06:06:42 PM
Quote from: wasinger3000 on February 26, 2015, 05:48:48 PM
#justaddmeth.

lol, I want to.  I'm waiting on a noisemaker eliminator pipe with a nozzle holder built in.
You will love it.. just don't tell anyone you ordered a meth kit.... lol
13' SHO, Non-PP, Tuned by Torrie, Meth injection, 3 bar, 170* stat, custom axle back exhaust, Prosport Boost gauge.
15' F150 Lariat Sport, all the options, 3.5L Eco. (fiancée ride.)
13' GTCS, will be missed.

Livernois Motorsports

Well, I guess this needs to be discussed again.

First and foremost, if you know what you are doing with the tune on these cars, you don't need to datalog after you've developed your tuning. Why? Because by tuning the correct parameters in the car, the ECU controls everything. Now, if someone were adding boost lets say, and doing it a way that worked, but the ECU's logic was fighting it because it wasn't the right way, of course you would need to log it to get things under control because you are making the ECU do something it doesn't want to do, and then since it was fighting an "error" it would react differently on every car based on where it is at climate, and elevation wise.

This is why we tune a certain way, and why we only log when in our facility, under controlled situations. This way we can simulate conditions, and do everything hands on.

Now, getting back to winter blend fuel, and changes in fuel from location to location. If you are tuning that on the edge that it is requiring different tunes, then you are really walking a fine line.

We would never tune something that on the edge that a slight change in fuel would impact it. Even if it did, we leave all of the safeties on to help protect things as much as possible, just like the OEM does. And as mentioned, Ford doesn't have you running around trying to help them get your car running as it should, and neither do we.

Having a complete understanding of the way these engines, and their control systems work is what allows us to run faster than "logged" tunes, without ever seeing a log, or the car. Our custom tunes we send out the first time, do what they are supposed to, and outrun cars with more boost, more timing, more mods, etc, etc.

So, no, you don't need to log, you don't need to worry about logging, and you definitely aren't going to blow up your car from not doing so.

SHOdded

Meh, another tuner debate ...  People like different things, doesn't make one right/wrong or better/worse.  Please try not to to take comments personally, and focus on the meat of the discussion.  Internet is not the best at context ...

Bottom line:
PCM smart enough to protect you
You won' t hurt your car by giving it a little better fuel than it expects, hence my 93 winter gas on 91 tune recommendation.
Follow your tuner's recommendation with regards to fuel, including precautions.  For example, 4X requires 93, no its or buts.
Use a reputable tuner with a good track record
ENJOY!
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!