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what to do with my 3bar MAP ?

Started by 68_GT, February 07, 2014, 11:06:09 PM

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SwampRat

#15
I plan on going with Torrie anyway but have seen on this  thread   and another one today  that  xv1 is  DEAD. I must have missed something somewhere , Is this True ?
2013 SHO  ....  not mine anymore

2021 Edge ST

bpd1151

I know it's been long overdue, & quite some time has passed since that vendor made mention of it's offering.....

But last convo I had with them, that product offering was still being worked on.

So contrary to various posts about it being "scrapped" or "dead" truth is...... those people don't know that for a fact.

However, it goes w/o saying that it's not currently available either.....

Therefore, you and others would be best served by drawing your own conclusions, or placing your own inquiries, just as any of you would if inquiring of other vendors and what products, or product potential is in the proverbial pipeline.

To arbitrarily state, w/o knowing definitively a product has been shelved, is irresponsible at best.

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68_GT

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Quote from: bpd1151 on February 08, 2014, 03:02:06 PM
I know it's been long overdue, & quite some time has passed since that vendor made mention of it's offering.....

But last convo I had with them, that product offering was still being worked on.

So contrary to various posts about it being "scrapped" or "dead" truth is...... those people don't know that for a fact.

However, it goes w/o saying that it's not currently available either.....

Therefore, you and others would be best served by drawing your own conclusions, or placing your own inquiries, just as any of you would if inquiring of other vendors and what products, or product potential is in the proverbial pipeline.

To arbitrarily state, w/o knowing definitively a product has been shelved, is irresponsible at best.

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you are correct in that, and I'm not saying anthing negative about LMS at all for the most part my 13 SHO runs great on their tune. I'm sure they're plenty busy researching and modding more commonly modded cars than a relative few EB vehicles, and even fewer SHO's. That being said I never wanted to bother with adding meth to my car. To me the time, trouble and cost is not worth the benefits and I know I could install a meth kit myself. I plumbed up a wet NX NOS kit on my 98 Stang with a 03 Cobra motor before no problem. But to quote LMS below there is no defenitive answer on when the XV1 will be available, and they have said we're working on it for months then say it will require meth. Not exactly the solution I personally was looking fo in search of a little more power. I just want my SHO to hold boost in the higher rpms. If it's just a fuel problem then I guess I'll wait for larger injectors to be invented, or 4DHtrd to invent a fuel system that works with zero problems :) I don't personally have time or knowledge to contribute to figuring all of the EB tunning issues out, but I can wrench with the the best of them. Give me a parts list and a knowledegable tuner and I'm set but meth is not a route I care about. I'd rather change my fuel pumps, injectors, adjust my tune and go. Then maybe I can use my 3 bar MAP !?

All that being said I don't see how putting in my 3bar MAP and having LMS adjusting my tune for it would do anything, so I'm curious as to why the Unleased guys feel the need to run one ? Are their tunes higher boost (seems to be from what I read), if so they have to make more power right, that being said they must have figured something out to address the fuel delivery that LMS hasn't ? I understand custome loyalty but I'm not driving from Houston TX to LMS to get a dyno tune and I'm not down with leaving what should be free power (from a tune adjustment) on the table.

How do I confirm what tune I have in my '13 with the various LMS Stage tunes ? I thought Anthony told me I have a stage 3 and he said that was the equivelent of a stage 4 in the 2010-2012 models ? Myabe I'm leaving something on the table already but I have concerns about my FRP already due to occasional hesitations.

Unfortunately as to the release of XV1, it is going to require more ancillaries than originally thought. With the unique issues that have come to light with the cold weather, it has shown that we are at the limit of safe fuel delivery with our performance tunes already. Because of this, Xv1 will require methanol injection to utilize. We are working on other avenues for this to be able to be achieved without the use of methanol, but those are a long way off unfortunately. I understand the want and the frustration for the delay, but we would rather release XV-1 after its been complete and safe. One thing I am proud to say about our company is we will not just rush a tune out to the public without going over it with a fine tooth comb and test and retest to make sure it gets the most power out of the vehicle, yet still be 100% safe! It will require meth for the Explorer Sport, and the Taurus SHO and related vehicles (Flex, MKS, MKT). As for the F150, it is still in development, but as stated before, is only going to be released when perfect. I know it is frustrating, but please be patient. We just want to get everyone the best tune available, anything less would be a disservice to our customers.

Brandon
2013 PP SHO LMS 93V10 tune, 170* T stat, 3bar, K&N drop in, plugs re-gapped, 4in exhaust tips.
UPDATE - 130K miles =blown engine. Unleashed tune and EBPP upgrade turbo billet wheels / Turbo Smart WGA's on a bran new long block. Let's get this SHO on the road !

2013 Fusion Titanium 2.0 EB daily driver ;) - LMS 93 tune and CPE intercooler

REDSHOCGO

so let me ask you this what would happen if you have the stock Map and are running boost at around 15-16? Any issues?
2010 Red Candy Sho 402a option non/pp w/unleashed tune,3 bar map, k & N CAI, Corsa catback exhaust, tints 35% front 20% back vta conversion,plastidipped front grill (matteblack), Curva Concept C7 wheels w/20" toyo proxes +4 and Sony Xperia z running torque pro
2011 Sonata 2.0T Limited tinted
2007 Pontiac G6 GTP cpe w/crab intake,Led sequential taillights, custom exhaust(now gone)

crash712us


2011 tuxedo black non pp, LMS stage 5, Corsa cat back, LMS down pipes, Airaid, Alky control meth injection, Megan Racing coil overs, EBC rotor&pads, Mobsteel grill, 2013 trans cooler. 403whp 417wtq 12.25 @ 110

BiGMaC

Quote from: REDSHOCGO on February 20, 2014, 06:33:20 PM
so let me ask you this what would happen if you have the stock Map and are running boost at around 15-16? Any issues?

The engine will perform as if the boost were 14.5 psi since the OEM 2BAR sensor cannot read higher pressures (so the ECM doesn't know). It will run fine as crash states.

The issue would be the inability to access the potential power and the extra work the turbos were doing... for no other use than increased piping presures and higher turbo leak possibilities.

Hmmmmm...I wonder if this actually saps HP in the case presented? Nothing in physics is free.

•2013 Taurus SHO nonPP - All Ford factory options, 3BAR MAP, LMS v8 tune (mods for 3BAR, DPs, and T-stat), Paint & plastic correction, CQuart finest all exterior surfaces, limo black window tint,VLED Triton switchbacks, Daytime BrightLites switchback DRLs, full interior and exterior LED conversion, Lamin-X charcoal blackout tail lights and reflectors, PPE catted and coated downpipes, EBPP coated hotpipes with BoVs VTA, MDesign CAI
•2013 F250 CC Lariat 6.7EB Diesel -stock

REDSHOCGO

Quote from: BiGMaC on February 20, 2014, 06:54:05 PM
Quote from: REDSHOCGO on February 20, 2014, 06:33:20 PM
so let me ask you this what would happen if you have the stock Map and are running boost at around 15-16? Any issues?

The engine will perform as if the boost were 14.5 psi since the OEM 2BAR sensor cannot read higher pressures (so the ECM doesn't know). It will run fine as crash states.

The issue would be the inability to access the potential power and the extra work the turbos were doing... for no other use than increased piping presures and higher turbo leak possibilities.

Hmmmmm...I wonder if this actually saps HP in the case presented? Nothing in physics is free.
I have registered a 15.7 boost on my car multiple times with stock Map via torque pro app after upgraded tune. If thats the case then it must be sensing the increased boost beyond the 14.5 psi
2010 Red Candy Sho 402a option non/pp w/unleashed tune,3 bar map, k & N CAI, Corsa catback exhaust, tints 35% front 20% back vta conversion,plastidipped front grill (matteblack), Curva Concept C7 wheels w/20" toyo proxes +4 and Sony Xperia z running torque pro
2011 Sonata 2.0T Limited tinted
2007 Pontiac G6 GTP cpe w/crab intake,Led sequential taillights, custom exhaust(now gone)

WhitePlatinumSHO

Not much use if your aren't running a tune. If you want to sell it...let me know. I might be interested...
2016 Platinum White SHO
- Unleashed Tune & 3 Bar MAP

2010 Red Candy SHO - Gone but not forgotten
1997 Cobra Coupe - 659rwhp / 609rwtq

68_GT

I have a tune from LMS I'll put it in and try it they are tweaking my tune to include my running a 3bar MAP.

this is what LMS stated about it....


The 3 bar map sensor allows for greater tuning capabilities due to the vehicle being able to recognize boost higher than 14.5 psi.  It is also a requirement for running methanol injection or upgraded turbos.  Your vehicle may allow for more boost if it sees fit.  The vehicles base boost off of torque on the ecoboost platform so every vehicle can vary depending on climate, barometric pressure and so on.  
2013 PP SHO LMS 93V10 tune, 170* T stat, 3bar, K&N drop in, plugs re-gapped, 4in exhaust tips.
UPDATE - 130K miles =blown engine. Unleashed tune and EBPP upgrade turbo billet wheels / Turbo Smart WGA's on a bran new long block. Let's get this SHO on the road !

2013 Fusion Titanium 2.0 EB daily driver ;) - LMS 93 tune and CPE intercooler

dcpatters

When I talked to LMS about an updated tune for the 3Bar MAP, albeit not XV1, they told me it would be worth ~+15 HP on the Explorer Sport. 

Moreover, they were just as happy to except a return as well since the sensor hadn't been installed.
2014 Explorer Sport LMS tune, 170 Stat, Airaid

DJE624

15 HP!?!  This I gotta see!  I'm hoping to get mine in today.

dcpatters

Quote from: DJE624 on February 21, 2014, 08:01:09 AM
15 HP!?!  This I gotta see!  I'm hoping to get mine in today.

That's what they claimed. It easy to throw HP figures around but I have no reason to doubt their integrity. Let us know what you think.
2014 Explorer Sport LMS tune, 170 Stat, Airaid


DJE624

OK guys!  Got the 3 Bar Sensor in and custom tune loaded up.  Runs like a champ.  I did a couple launches and a couple of WOTs from 50.  Felt really good.  I'll have to get the Nexus hook up next.  I am pretty much at my limit with perf mods now.  At least for this year!  Maybe.

EDIT-I'm going to wear my tires out shifting to second on WOT.

BiGMaC

Quote from: DJE624 on February 21, 2014, 01:07:18 PM
OK guys!  Got the 3 Bar Sensor in and custom tune loaded up.  Runs like a champ.  I did a couple launches and a couple of WOTs from 50.  Felt really good.  I'll have to get the Nexus hook up next.  I am pretty much at my limit with perf mods now.  At least for this year!  Maybe.

EDIT-I'm going to wear my tires out shifting to second on WOT.

What kind of speed and rpm were you running at the 1st -2nd shift point?

•2013 Taurus SHO nonPP - All Ford factory options, 3BAR MAP, LMS v8 tune (mods for 3BAR, DPs, and T-stat), Paint & plastic correction, CQuart finest all exterior surfaces, limo black window tint,VLED Triton switchbacks, Daytime BrightLites switchback DRLs, full interior and exterior LED conversion, Lamin-X charcoal blackout tail lights and reflectors, PPE catted and coated downpipes, EBPP coated hotpipes with BoVs VTA, MDesign CAI
•2013 F250 CC Lariat 6.7EB Diesel -stock