Another intake saved,  yeah!

Just to add to the AWD vs RWD debate....I ended up buying a 04 BMW 325XI as a winter beater in September. To date the SS has not seen a single snowflake.

Quote from: SHO-Time on February 16, 2016, 03:16:59 PM
Just to add to the AWD vs RWD debate....I ended up buying a 04 BMW 325XI as a winter beater in September. To date the SS has not seen a single snowflake.

Thats ok it saw snow and rain at the dealership they just didnt tell you....its a chevy, a general motors product...meaning a car for the masses...it belongs in the snow and weather, nothing special

Quote from: ajpturbo on February 16, 2016, 07:23:22 PM

Quote from: SHO-Time on February 16, 2016, 03:16:59 PM
Just to add to the AWD vs RWD debate....I ended up buying a 04 BMW 325XI as a winter beater in September. To date the SS has not seen a single snowflake.

Thats ok it saw snow and rain at the dealership they just didnt tell you....its a chevy, a general motors product...meaning a car for the masses...it belongs in the snow and weather, nothing special

Not the precipitation I care about, mainly the road salt. It's a little special being Holden is closing their doors this year. It's no# 30 out of 44 optioned in Perfect Blue with the manual transmission, sunroof & full size spare.

Quote from: SHO-Time on February 16, 2016, 09:38:10 PM

Quote from: ajpturbo on February 16, 2016, 07:23:22 PM

Quote from: SHO-Time on February 16, 2016, 03:16:59 PM
Just to add to the AWD vs RWD debate....I ended up buying a 04 BMW 325XI as a winter beater in September. To date the SS has not seen a single snowflake.

Thats ok it saw snow and rain at the dealership they just didnt tell you....its a chevy, a general motors product...meaning a car for the masses...it belongs in the snow and weather, nothing special

Not the precipitation I care about, mainly the road salt. It's a little special being Holden is closing their doors this year. It's no# 30 out of 44 optioned in Perfect Blue with the manual transmission, sunroof & full size spare.

Everybody thought the late model gto's were cool because they were a Holden car but it was a fatboy chevy that died without a fight....funny to me how the mainstream options that your ss has tries to deceive people as being unique.....i could wipe my bum and place a piece of poopy toilet paper in the trunk of my sho and it would be only #1 of 1 that has a stinky trunk with brown stained poop paper in it...wouldnt be worth anymore money tho

Quote from: ajpturbo on February 16, 2016, 09:50:19 PM

Quote from: SHO-Time on February 16, 2016, 09:38:10 PM

Quote from: ajpturbo on February 16, 2016, 07:23:22 PM

Quote from: SHO-Time on February 16, 2016, 03:16:59 PM
Just to add to the AWD vs RWD debate....I ended up buying a 04 BMW 325XI as a winter beater in September. To date the SS has not seen a single snowflake.

Thats ok it saw snow and rain at the dealership they just didnt tell you....its a chevy, a general motors product...meaning a car for the masses...it belongs in the snow and weather, nothing special

Not the precipitation I care about, mainly the road salt. It's a little special being Holden is closing their doors this year. It's no# 30 out of 44 optioned in Perfect Blue with the manual transmission, sunroof & full size spare.

Everybody thought the late model gto's were cool because they were a Holden car but it was a fatboy chevy that died without a fight....funny to me how the mainstream options that your ss has tries to deceive people as being unique.....i could wipe my bum and place a piece of poopy toilet paper in the trunk of my sho and it would be only #1 of 1 that has a stinky trunk with brown stained poop paper in it...wouldnt be worth anymore money tho

Mike dont mind AJ,he just likes to stir the pot sometimes for entertainment purposes but he's a good dude IMO.  Z     

Even after what i just said, believe it or not i kinda like the ss and the idea of a big sedan with a big motor and a stick...but i dont want to be without my awd with 4 snow tires in the winter....its become a guilty pleasure of mine seeing irresponsible retards stuck in ditches when they choose to not properly equip their vehicles for the climate they live in and believe its the responsibility of the government to steal my earnings to clear streets for those whose choose to drive on 50% worn all seasons in winter in PA

Quote from: ajpturbo on February 16, 2016, 09:50:19 PM

Quote from: SHO-Time on February 16, 2016, 09:38:10 PM

Quote from: ajpturbo on February 16, 2016, 07:23:22 PM

Quote from: SHO-Time on February 16, 2016, 03:16:59 PM
Just to add to the AWD vs RWD debate....I ended up buying a 04 BMW 325XI as a winter beater in September. To date the SS has not seen a single snowflake.

Thats ok it saw snow and rain at the dealership they just didnt tell you....its a chevy, a general motors product...meaning a car for the masses...it belongs in the snow and weather, nothing special

Not the precipitation I care about, mainly the road salt. It's a little special being Holden is closing their doors this year. It's no# 30 out of 44 optioned in Perfect Blue with the manual transmission, sunroof & full size spare.

Everybody thought the late model gto's were cool because they were a Holden car but it was a fatboy chevy that died without a fight....funny to me how the mainstream options that your ss has tries to deceive people as being unique.....i could wipe my bum and place a piece of poopy toilet paper in the trunk of my sho and it would be only #1 of 1 that has a stinky trunk with brown stained poop paper in it...wouldnt be worth anymore money tho

The GTO was simply replaced by the GXP after the design change. The G8 GXPs are still holding their value very well. There were 3,100 SS sedans built in 2015. 273 of those were "Perfect Blue" which was a one year run color. Only 44 of the 273 were manual...large manual sport sedans nowadays are not very common. The car is a little unique despite your "poopy toilet paper" analogy.

Did you ever make it out to LMT to get it tuned? They are THE place for LS engines.

Quote from: 14SHOCAR on February 17, 2016, 10:46:15 AM
Did you ever make it out to LMT to get it tuned? They are THE place for LS engines.

Soon my friend...very soon. I'm going to schedule a dyno-tune for late March / Early April.

Quote from: SHO-Time on February 16, 2016, 03:16:59 PM
Just to add to the AWD vs RWD debate....

Debate? I didn't realize it was a debatable issue?

Pound for pound, AWD takes it away. It's physics. That's why virtually every manufacturer of high hp cars uses it, it's not just for show.

Sure, Camaros/Stangs/SS's are great fun cars. That will never change. But with AWD they'd obviously be better (though cost prohibitive).

And if you didn't get your AWD Winter car, you'd still have the SHO.

Quote from: 14 TUX BL on March 20, 2016, 12:18:39 AM

Quote from: SHO-Time on February 16, 2016, 03:16:59 PM
Just to add to the AWD vs RWD debate....

Debate? I didn't realize it was a debatable issue?

Pound for pound, AWD takes it away. It's physics. That's why virtually every manufacturer of high hp cars uses it, it's not just for show.

Sure, Camaros/Stangs/SS's are great fun cars. That will never change. But with AWD they'd obviously be better (though cost prohibitive).

And if you didn't get your AWD Winter car, you'd still have the SHO.

Good points....But just a question.....How do you explain the Corvette ZR1/Z06, every Ferrari model, Porsche GT3/GT2?

Quote from: AJP turbo on March 20, 2016, 12:33:12 AM
Good points....But just a question.....How do you explain the Corvette ZR1/Z06, every Ferrari model, Porsche GT3/GT2?

That's actually 3 questions shoved into one, but the answers are simple ...

1) Ferrari does make a 4 wheel drive car (think FF and GTC4Lusso).

2) Certain manufacturers know purists aren't mentally capable of making the jump to 4WD. Hence, RWD offerings.

3) Continuing from #2, examples of the new Vette have received criticisms about it not being able to get the power to the ground. Case closed.

Now, having driven eight new RWD V8 Mustangs (spanning several decades) I can testify those cars are great fun to drive. But they are only as fast as one is able to manage the limits of RWD. Which at best, is a tricky proposition. But they're pony/muscle cars, and are not expected to behave any differently.

The Law of Physics will not be subdue itself to anyone:
More Traction = Better
Less Traction = Worse

Quote from: 14 TUX BL on March 20, 2016, 07:44:57 PM

Quote from: AJP turbo on March 20, 2016, 12:33:12 AM
Good points....But just a question.....How do you explain the Corvette ZR1/Z06, every Ferrari model, Porsche GT3/GT2?

That's actually 3 questions shoved into one, but the answers are simple ...

1) Ferrari does make a 4 wheel drive car (think FF and GTC4Lusso).

2) Certain manufacturers know purists aren't mentally capable of making the jump to 4WD. Hence, RWD offerings.

3) Continuing from #2, examples of the new Vette have received criticisms about it not being able to get the power to the ground. Case closed.

Now, having driven eight new RWD V8 Mustangs (spanning several decades) I can testify those cars are great fun to drive. But they are only as fast as one is able to manage the limits of RWD. Which at best, is a tricky proposition. But they're pony/muscle cars, and are not expected to behave any differently.

The Law of Physics will not be subdue itself to anyone:
More Traction = Better
Less Traction = Worse

Man, the vettes put up good lap times for not being able to put the power to the ground

Have you seen the traction circles?...the tire can only do so much...the more you use for propulsion the less traction is left for steering change

Rwd cars seem to reign at the top for nurburgring times .

Ive driven so many awd and rwd cars and get annoyed with the handling dynamics of the awd cars in the twisties....people i work with want to tell me and show me how fast their sti's and evo's are in the bends....im so hard into my cars that im not hitting the gas in the bends it wouldnt matter if i had 8wd....and as far as corner exit im just a little sideways but at a higher velocity ....i guess if your not comfortable being sideways and accelerating then go for awd

I guess all things being equal, same car same power plant ive always been faster in the rwd...the awd version of the same cars that ive had when compared to their rwd counterparts felt bulky, heavy, and slow due to the understeer and handling

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F5F18o8xayA