Adam....

Circle D does make great product, which is why that owner chose to go with them.

The gains you report however do not translate to the SHO platform unfortunately. The stock converter used in the SHO, thus far, has proven pretty stout.

The drivetrain loss you are experiencing in your SHO is typical across the board, no matter the model year. Yes it is HUGE.

The power split is approx 70/30.

There was a member named Jason who hails from WI. that was able to program off/out all the nannies using IDS, but not sure if he still is.

LMS won't do that as far as I am aware.

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Quote from: 66 Galaxie on October 23, 2015, 11:19:54 PM
Didn't see any Ford applications listed on APS website, are your' s prototype?

I assumed not.  The local shop said they had the best bigger stronger faster rebuild to the ATP, using APS upgrades.  Did not do that work on the car.  Fairly~ novice about the TC systems.  Plus the G8 I had, had room to crawl under the hood and take a nap.  This engine is so shoe horned in place there are not many gaps big enough to stick your hand into. 

I believe they had to yank the engine to get to do the work.  Or said it was the quickest way to do the work.  Most of the rest I can help answer questions as I did the work, but that I cannot take credit for.

Quote from: bpd1151 on October 23, 2015, 11:37:05 PM
Adam....

The drivetrain loss you are experiencing in your SHO is typical across the board, no matter the model year. Yes it is HUGE.

The power split is approx 70/30.

There was a member named Jason who hails from WI. that was able to program off/out all the nannies using IDS, but not sure if he still is.

I don't really understand the option being given to turn traction off when it really will not/does not do that.  Go figure lol.

When I noticed the power train loss I was like oh damn, what did I do.  So that is good to know.  My Zo6 Lingenfelter Carbon edition Vette has 11% loss.  My old G8 was 14%, The old CTS-V Wagon was 16%, and then I get in this and its right about 24% I knew it must have been something I did hahaha.  So thanks for the insight, it is really good to know.  Right now, my 3 gauges come to the conciseness that I am at a 12.41-12.42 I guess a downpipe might get me closer to a 12.3 having it move air more rapidly.  That time with a crappy 1.5 60' Not that it is my Zo6 or TA or any other ride, but the Z does the 60' in .9 the way it sits, with over one full g force.  So anyway it is a sigh of relief to know that is a common number on the loss side of things.

Here was a cam/exhaust/ported throttle body run.  Stock was 13.2 and with $1100 into the car it was an 11 second car.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChSJPAoJDcw

Keeping the drivetrain fluids fresh will help minimize losses.  The more the power the SHO develops, and the more you put it to the ground, the shorter the intervals should be. Do not expect Motorcraft brand fluids to be your best friend.  They are good, but definitely not the best.

That G8 was hauling it!  Did you do the work yourself, though, getting everything installed for $1,100 is a darned good package

How much boost are you seeing,are you monitoring any levels,any codes set?? I was curious who installed the methanol kit?  Z

Quote from: SHOdded on October 24, 2015, 06:54:01 AM
Keeping the drivetrain fluids fresh will help minimize losses.  The more the power the SHO develops, and the more you put it to the ground, the shorter the intervals should be.
That G8 was hauling it!  Did you do the work yourself, though, getting everything installed for $1,100 is a darned good package

That is good to know.  What fluids should I change more often outside of the oil itself?  And can it be done at home, or like everything else, is it so shoe horned into place its almost impossible to do yourself?

It was $1100 in parts, I did all the work myself on ole blue.  $1100 here gets you a Corsa exhaust and 3 HP gain.  That is what is killing me.  I am no stranger to engine build ups

Quote from: ZSHO on October 24, 2015, 07:31:41 AM
How much boost are you seeing,are you monitoring any levels,any codes set?? I was curious who installed the methanol kit?  Z

I did the meth setup myself.  Took out the spare tire, put an inflation kit in its place with a can of fix a flat as well.  I am running a 50/50 mix right now as I don't have 1K on the ticker yet.  There is still some room, and I really think our cars could benefit from the DEI CryO2 injection system.  It will cool the engine off or you can put a sprayer on the front.  Have it spray and cool off parts of the engine, turbo setup.

Quote from: Adam on October 24, 2015, 10:55:24 AM
$1100 here gets you a Corsa exhaust and 3 HP gain.  That is what is killing me.  I am no stranger to engine build ups

The usual route here to mid 12's is Tune + 3 bar + Tstat => That's about $850 or so all told.  Unless you have major changes in your setup, upgrades to the tune don't cost a penny.  That's not bad at all.

Then come downpipes, catback, meth injection to get you into the low 12's, maybe even break into the 11's on a good day.

Then turbo upgrade, engine upgrades, etc.  That's where the money really starts adding up.

Adam............what brand is your rear window roof spoiler?  And where did you get it?

Mark

Not many big AWD luxury sedans putting up 11 second time slips.  Tesla P85D stock is only one that comes to mind at moment that does it stock.  A few MB, BMW and Audis can get into the 11's with mods.   Jeep SRT8 can do it with a big V8 and mods.

I wish there were more AWD sedans that could do mid 12s or better off the showroom floor.

If you can get into the 11's for under $5K, that's not bad at all.

Quote from: MJESHO on October 24, 2015, 12:12:24 PM
Adam............what brand is your rear window roof spoiler?  And where did you get it?

Mark

Actually an old friend.  I work with people all over the world.  Third Shift Speed Jaison in AUS, Redline Goods Maciek in Poland, this happens to come from AJ in Korea.  I was trying to hunt down his physical site for you, but can only find his eBay page called Happy-Buy It Now.  He is a nice guy to deal with and actually speaks English.  He does a flex primer and paint to an exact match.  He got the 1244mm exact length match up for it.  He is doing the nice rounded edge unlike other eBay sellers.  I will show a how to, then a before and after shot.  Its not for everyone.  But nothing is.

I mean I swapped out the big block letter chrome "Taurus" on the trunk with the 1997-1999 I believe style black cursive version that is only about 1/2 the length on the trunk.  Plus the black blend in look goes with my theme.  But I know I saw where people were saying they do not like the cursive script of the word.  Fits my taste over the large block lettering on back.

Quote from: SHOdded on October 24, 2015, 11:33:41 AM

The usual route here to mid 12's is Tune + 3 bar + Tstat => That's about $850 or so all told.  Unless you have major changes in your setup, upgrades to the tune don't cost a penny.  That's not bad at all.

Then come downpipes, catback, meth injection to get you into the low 12's, maybe even break into the 11's on a good day.

Then turbo upgrade, engine upgrades, etc.  That's where the money really starts adding up.

What tune?  I have Livernois That was $600 should I have gone a different route?  Yeah, the fluff stuff is what is killer.  I understand the need for downpipes to spool quicker, but it kills me that it shows less than a 10hp gain from the VERY few who measure it.  Cold Air Intake which is like 9HP but not until nearly 6000 RPM, and a loss of power up to that point. Exhaust which is $1100 and a gain of 3-5HP.  Normally any other car that would be a combined conservative 35+HP and in this setup on a good day is about 15.  And those are an expensive trio.  Does anyone make a Cold air intake that actually draws cold air from additional duct work?

Quote from: PokerMunkee on October 24, 2015, 02:29:32 PM
Not many big AWD luxury sedans putting up 11 second time slips.  Tesla P85D stock is only one that comes to mind at moment that does it stock.  A few MB, BMW and Audis can get into the 11's with mods.   Jeep SRT8 can do it with a big V8 and mods.

I wish there were more AWD sedans that could do mid 12s or better off the showroom floor.

If you can get into the 11's for under $5K, that's not bad at all.

Oh, I love the car.  I hope I am not coming across any other way. Had it for right at a month now and already about $5600 into it.  If I did not like it, I would not have bought it.  Came close to the new Chevy SS which was just the replacement to my G8.  This car is much more refined. and honestly the most bang for the buck in AWD sport sedans.

Maybe Dodge will put AWD into the Charger Hellcat!  We can dream, they yanked AWD out of the R/T 5.7 for 2015, bastards.

Quote from: Adam on October 24, 2015, 10:58:40 AM

Quote from: ZSHO on October 24, 2015, 07:31:41 AM
How much boost are you seeing,are you monitoring any levels,any codes set?? I was curious who installed the methanol kit?  Z

I did the meth setup myself.  Took out the spare tire, put an inflation kit in its place with a can of fix a flat as well.  I am running a 50/50 mix right now as I don't have 1K on the ticker yet.  There is still some room, and I really think our cars could benefit from the DEI CryO2 injection system.  It will cool the engine off or you can put a sprayer on the front.  Have it spray and cool off parts of the engine, turbo setup.

I mentioned this before but its crucial to monitor your boost,AFR,readings in order to have an inside perspective and to see whats actually happening,guys with an Alky usually run 100%meth and would make sure there are no leaks coming out of the line from the pump,BTW any hesitations of any kind?? personaly think you should check and troubleshoot for any issues and blaming your tuner should be your last resort,also on the above post think all your HP numbers are somewhat misconstrued and simply dont add up based on the mods you mentioned,think a (dyno) session is in order,especially in this situation,just my 2 cent.  Z

Quote from: ZSHO on October 24, 2015, 10:44:42 PM

Quote from: Adam on October 24, 2015, 10:58:40 AM
I mentioned this before but its crucial to monitor your boost,AFR,readings in order to have an inside perspective and to see whats actually happening,guys with an Alky usually run 100%meth and would make sure there are no leaks coming out of the line from the pump,BTW any hesitations of any kind?? personaly think you should check and troubleshoot for any issues and blaming your tuner should be your last resort,also on the above post think all your HP numbers are somewhat misconstrued and simply dont add up based on the mods you mentioned,think a (dyno) session is in order,especially in this situation,just my 2 cent.  Z

I am running a solid PSI that I am keeping under wraps at the moment.  Want to see what it will put down on a video run or two once I dial everything in.  Let me just say I have ARP bolts on the way to get a little more piece of mind.  Think I am 2 PSI away from where I want to be, but I have a feeling the trans will not keep up for thousands of miles to come.  I don't know that I ever blamed the tune at all.  Only asked if there was another I should have been using here.  I have no issues, hesitations, bogging out, choppy response... from the 50/50 mix.   

I was reading, watching YouTube videos, looking at posts and I feel that when people post negative gains on a CAI up to nearly 6000 RPMs, saying the seat of the pants spool up feel from a downpipe but fewer than 10HP gain for those who actually data log.  Exhaust, outside of sound and maybe a little weight offers almost nothing else.  Not to say that it does not offer a quicker 1320' because it does breath better.  But I am looking at horsepower numbers at the moment.  Then fine tuning, getting the right combo built up. etc.

My Corvette had 6 cold air systems before I found the right combo which was what really worked with my setup.  No stranger to buying the same part time and time again to make things right. Just asking if someone would suggest another tune to go with supporting mods.  Really not on to argue or fight with any members.  Since I am new to Ford, I thought this would be the place to go and check out how to make it right.