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AWD and Active Torque Control

Started by TimmyATL, June 02, 2015, 03:41:24 PM

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FoMoCoSHO

Quote from: glock-coma on June 03, 2015, 09:47:06 AM
I can understand that you can send power to the rear via the torque coupling. But the drive shaft is driven by the PTU and the PTU is driven by the right side cv shaft. So how would you send LESS power to the front and more to the rear if the rear is driven by the front?
Unless there's some kind of active braking involved like in the Acura's SHAWD which I don't think the 13+ have.
They do...

"Nothing much has changed in the powertrain department (nothing needed to), but another alleged dynamic enhancement is an electronic torque-vectoring system, wherein light brake pressure on an inside wheel during acceleration out of a curve is meant to shunt some torque through the open differential to the outside wheel"

Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/1203_2013_ford_taurus_sho_first_drive/#ixzz3c0j4FLpE

SHOdded

Good clip!  Though it might be different at brake launch if the logic compensates.
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

glock-coma

That's funny. In the article they actually reference it to the Acura's SHAWD, 
I stand corrected.
2010 red candy metallic non PP 402B
AJPTURBO 2 BAR Tune Stock 14.1@100.3 / Tuned 12.83@107.7
K&N panel, RX OCC, Sp-534 @.30 Tint 50%F-35%R BOV bypass
1997 SHO silver frost (sold)
1990 SHO triple black 5-speed (saved my life)

glock-coma

Another question, does the torque vectoring turn off when you activate track mode? Or turn the traction control completely off?
2010 red candy metallic non PP 402B
AJPTURBO 2 BAR Tune Stock 14.1@100.3 / Tuned 12.83@107.7
K&N panel, RX OCC, Sp-534 @.30 Tint 50%F-35%R BOV bypass
1997 SHO silver frost (sold)
1990 SHO triple black 5-speed (saved my life)

TimmyATL

I think one way to know is to access the AWD module and monitor the ATC  PID (paramiter identification) and see if it is a On/Off display or a percentage and do a pull and see what it reads. I do not think you can monitor the wheel speed sensors from this module so you will half to listen to the front tires for spin and seat of your pants feel when launching. Then command the ATC PID to 100% and repeat to see what happens or goes snap/crackle or pop LOL. The only way I see how this can be done is with Ford IDS software. I just started this topic to see if anyone was thinking the same thing I was. Fodd for thought
13 SHO PP, Airaid intake, 170 T-stat, 3bar map sensor, Ecopower Parts hot side pipes, Turbosmart 7lb wastegate actuators, Stainless Works catted downpipes, Corsa cat back exhaust with Loudvalves exhaust dumps, Alky Control Meth Injection, LMS Dyno Meth tune. TSW Nurburgring  with NItto NTO5

FoMoCoSHO

Quote from: TimmyATL on June 03, 2015, 12:28:08 PM
I think one way to know is to access the AWD module and monitor the ATC  PID (paramiter identification) and see if it is a On/Off display or a percentage and do a pull and see what it reads. I do not think you can monitor the wheel speed sensors from this module so you will half to listen to the front tires for spin and seat of your pants feel when launching. Then command the ATC PID to 100% and repeat to see what happens or goes snap/crackle or pop LOL. The only way I see how this can be done is with Ford IDS software. I just started this topic to see if anyone was thinking the same thing I was. Fodd for thought
Troubleshooting AWD binding consists of commanding 90%  torque to the ATC through IDS then driving in a circle....

TimmyATL

Yes I understand PPT A  in section 308-07A Four Wheel Drive (4WD) Systems. I was just wondering if anyone has thought to see if commanding the ATC on and doing a brake boost lauch would get the car to hook better than it already does or lauch harder.
13 SHO PP, Airaid intake, 170 T-stat, 3bar map sensor, Ecopower Parts hot side pipes, Turbosmart 7lb wastegate actuators, Stainless Works catted downpipes, Corsa cat back exhaust with Loudvalves exhaust dumps, Alky Control Meth Injection, LMS Dyno Meth tune. TSW Nurburgring  with NItto NTO5

FoMoCoSHO

"The stability-control system can send 100% of the available torque to the front or rear wheels if needed."

http://articles.sae.org/10803/

FoMoCoSHO

The above article and the experiences with the shiny new gauge lead me to believe we did receive the upgraded JTekt in 2013

http://www.jtekt-na.com/assets/ce/Documents/%28D1002ex%29%20ITCC%20-%20Intelligent%20Tourque%20Controlled%20Coupling.pdf

I emailed them with specific questions but have yet to hear back.

sunwolf

Quote from: TimmyATL on June 03, 2015, 12:28:08 PM
I think one way to know is to access the AWD module and monitor the ATC  PID (paramiter identification) and see if it is a On/Off display or a percentage and do a pull and see what it reads. I do not think you can monitor the wheel speed sensors from this module so you will half to listen to the front tires for spin and seat of your pants feel when launching. Then command the ATC PID to 100% and repeat to see what happens or goes snap/crackle or pop LOL. The only way I see how this can be done is with Ford IDS software. I just started this topic to see if anyone was thinking the same thing I was. Fodd for thought
I tried commanding the AWD clutch using forscan. It turned my AWD off completely no matter what percentage I set it to. The car really lights them up with only FWD.
2014 Taurus SHO Black Performance Pack LMS tune 3bar tstat downpipes
2008 BMW M6 Convertible SMG
2008 F-150 XLT 4x4 5.4L
2011 F-150 Ecoboost Crew Cab 4x4
2012 Lincoln Navigator L 4x4

SHOnUup

Quote from: sunwolf on June 03, 2015, 02:22:20 PM
Quote from: TimmyATL on June 03, 2015, 12:28:08 PM
I think one way to know is to access the AWD module and monitor the ATC  PID (paramiter identification) and see if it is a On/Off display or a percentage and do a pull and see what it reads. I do not think you can monitor the wheel speed sensors from this module so you will half to listen to the front tires for spin and seat of your pants feel when launching. Then command the ATC PID to 100% and repeat to see what happens or goes snap/crackle or pop LOL. The only way I see how this can be done is with Ford IDS software. I just started this topic to see if anyone was thinking the same thing I was. Fodd for thought
I tried commanding the AWD clutch using forscan. It turned my AWD off completely no matter what percentage I set it to. The car really lights them up with only FWD.
I need video proof Mike...seeing is believing...lol

Rich

2011 Sterling Gray Metallic SHO non PP,
12.4211 @ 110.28 Livernois 3bar tune & CAI,
Added since...PPE catless Dpipes, Megan coilovers, Powergrid adjustable end links, and EBC slotted rotors and red stuff pads.
Tommy Designs grille with carbon fiber hydrographics, fender badges and fog bezels hydrodipped also, tinted windows, head & taillights, debadged trunk with all chrome plasti-dipped, black calipers, obdlink mx scantool running torque pro on 7" tablet.

sunwolf

Maybe one weekend if we run into eachother.
2014 Taurus SHO Black Performance Pack LMS tune 3bar tstat downpipes
2008 BMW M6 Convertible SMG
2008 F-150 XLT 4x4 5.4L
2011 F-150 Ecoboost Crew Cab 4x4
2012 Lincoln Navigator L 4x4

SHOnUup

Quote from: sunwolf on June 03, 2015, 11:36:27 PM
Maybe one weekend if we run into eachother.
Just messing with ya...I'm thinking Milan soon.

Rich

2011 Sterling Gray Metallic SHO non PP,
12.4211 @ 110.28 Livernois 3bar tune & CAI,
Added since...PPE catless Dpipes, Megan coilovers, Powergrid adjustable end links, and EBC slotted rotors and red stuff pads.
Tommy Designs grille with carbon fiber hydrographics, fender badges and fog bezels hydrodipped also, tinted windows, head & taillights, debadged trunk with all chrome plasti-dipped, black calipers, obdlink mx scantool running torque pro on 7" tablet.

wasinger3000

"Other enhancements include auxiliary oil coolers and a double-size radiator compared to the consumer models' as well as special heavy-duty shocks, springs,"

Wonder if I could get my hands on those shocks.
13' SHO, Non-PP, Tuned by Torrie, Meth injection, 3 bar, 170* stat, custom axle back exhaust, Prosport Boost gauge.
15' F150 Lariat Sport, all the options, 3.5L Eco. (fiancée ride.)
13' GTCS, will be missed.

sunwolf

Quote from: SHOnUup on June 04, 2015, 01:05:52 AM
Quote from: sunwolf on June 03, 2015, 11:36:27 PM
Maybe one weekend if we run into eachother.
Just messing with ya...I'm thinking Milan soon.

Rich

I need to get my downpipes sorted first. I was going to take the car to LME on Saturday but they haven't called me back to let me make an appointment yet.
2014 Taurus SHO Black Performance Pack LMS tune 3bar tstat downpipes
2008 BMW M6 Convertible SMG
2008 F-150 XLT 4x4 5.4L
2011 F-150 Ecoboost Crew Cab 4x4
2012 Lincoln Navigator L 4x4