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Tuned SHO as fast as SRT8?

Started by anthonylee337, September 02, 2013, 06:20:38 PM

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SRT82ECOBOOST

Quote from: TSS on February 25, 2014, 12:39:45 PM
Quote from: SRT82ECOBOOST on February 24, 2014, 11:47:11 PM
Some blockhead people are just so attached to V8's that they can not fathom the thought of going to a V6.

That was me............before the MKS.  The only thing I miss now is the sound of a good V8.
I went from a cammed 6.1L with longtube headers, Corsa exhaust and exhaust cutouts to the stock sound of the SHO. I need some noise as soon as the salt and the sand of winter go away. Still will not be the same though.
2013 SHO PP in White Platinum Metallic Tricoat, PPE Downpipes, Livernois Stage V8/3 Bar, Custom 2.5" Catback, 170 T-stat, Airaid CAI, H+R Springs and debadged
Boston Acoustics 2.1 Audio Upgrade

MeanKS

Quote from: TSS on February 25, 2014, 12:39:45 PM
Quote from: SRT82ECOBOOST on February 24, 2014, 11:47:11 PM
Some blockhead people are just so attached to V8's that they can not fathom the thought of going to a V6.

That was me............before the MKS.  The only thing I miss now is the sound of a good V8.

very true.  only thing lacking with the 3.5 EB is the exhaust note...
MKS-EB...

jim1274


Quote from: SRT82ECOBOOST on February 25, 2014, 11:08:21 AM
^^^^Just so you know, Motor Trend tested the braking and got the following results for each vehicle from 60-0:
-2011 Challenger SRT-392 @ 117 feet
-2013 Taurus SHO @ 106 feet
-2010 Taurus SHO @ 112 feet
Also sourced from Motor Trend is the 300' skidpad numbers:
-2011 Challenger SRT-392 @ .89g
-2013 Taurus SHO @ .88g
-2010 Taurus SHO @ .87g
So the SHO takes two out of three categories when tuned (braking and straight line) and the SRT gets slightly better handling. I would think that is a win just based on performance metrics.

Interesting, and thanks for the specs.  I should have done my homework first before posting and now stand corrected.  I suspect the SHO specs are for PP cars, so my observations are seat of pants for my 2012 NON PP SHO and 2012 SRT8 Challenger.  Not sure if I ever have seen braking and skid pad comparison numbers for SHO PP vs non-PP.  My recollection is braking is same for both SHO versions in 2010 to 2012?  Was it maybe just different pads on the PP for '10 thru '12?  The upgrade brake spec on 13 and later is huge it seems.  Looking at the skid pad numbers, it seems the PP probably makes a pretty big difference.  I still stand by my comment of handling on a NON-PP vs SRT8.  I am most shocked on those braking comparisons.  The tests are what they are, but I would have no problem putting money where my mouth is on my 2012 NON-PP SHO VS SRT8 on braking performance.  I am not generally an aggressive driver, but last fall purposely did a few really aggressive braking tests in trying to decide how bad it was to determine if worth 2g's to do the Wilwood conversion.  The brake feel was not confidence inspiring and was not nearly as good as the SRT8, but I did not do any measurements to put a number to it.  I really am not trying to defend the SRT8, and I could have just as easily traded the SHO in instead of the SRT8 to get the wife her caddy, so that about says it all in terms of which car I liked more.  I still stand by both as awesome cars.  I mostly regret not getting the PP on my SHO, but when driving mostly on the horrendous roads around here, I do appreciate the extra cushioning and compliant  suspension on the non-PP and makes it a really tough choice.  I never really noticed the big handling difference until pushing the SHO really hard on a cloverleaf ramp and it was not as planted and stable as hoped for.  Float and lean come to mind.  Maybe I am just a shitty driver and the SRT8 is easier to drive at the  limit?  Could be part of it.   That SRT8 ate the curves compared to to my SHO.

Maybe somebody else here has or had a second gen SRT8 (470hp version) challenger (or charger--might be similar enough?) and a first gen non-pp SHO to weigh in on their driving experiences?   I am not challenging the numbers and experiences of others posted here that suggest my driving experience comparison comments are flawed, just sharing my seat of pants observations.   

I suspect a lot of SHO owners would enjoy trading off once in a while (in good summer weather!) and driving an SRT8.....

2012 SHO

PokerMunkee

Quote from: panther427 on February 24, 2014, 03:08:32 PM
I seriously considered running medical oxygen bottles plukbed in like nitrous

Have you ran your SHO at Bandimere yet?  I've only seen one video of a '12 SHO going 14.85@95.  Be interesting if a tuned only SHO could get into the mid/high 13's.

Here is the video: 2013 Ford Taurus SHO vs Porsche Carrera
2013 SHO PP - Ignot Silver/Charcoal
Unleashed 91 tune w/ 3BAR, Corsa exhaust, LEDs everywhere
2011 F-250 6.2 CCSB FX4

panther427

No bandimere yet.. just got the car in November

its cold out but using the LiveWire TS performace test my quarter time is 13.7
2013 SHO

skinny

I have a 2014 sho with tune down pipes exhaust and ran up on a 2012 r 2013 charger srt 392 on the highway and from a roll 60 mph a pulled him by car length up to a least 140 my speedometer was pegged
2014 sho Livernois tune stainless works downpipe no cats with stainless work cat back alloy methanol kit from Livernois airaid cold air kit 160 thermostat and map 3bar dynoed at Livernois facility 392 power with 448 torque

liteyouup

Quote from: geswek on September 02, 2013, 10:19:43 PM
The one time I ran my car I did 12.8 on 1/4; I watched Challenger 392 line up few runs later and he couldn't get off the line to save his rear--ended up running 14.9 in the 1/4.


Dang, he all get beat by a Civic?  HA
2013 Explorer Sport
...and on that day, not one #@%$ was given.

SHOnUup



My buddy won't line his up... :-

Rich

2011 Sterling Gray Metallic SHO non PP,
12.4211 @ 110.28 Livernois 3bar tune & CAI,
Added since...PPE catless Dpipes, Megan coilovers, Powergrid adjustable end links, and EBC slotted rotors and red stuff pads.
Tommy Designs grille with carbon fiber hydrographics, fender badges and fog bezels hydrodipped also, tinted windows, head & taillights, debadged trunk with all chrome plasti-dipped, black calipers, obdlink mx scantool running torque pro on 7" tablet.

FracaSHO

Brad
2010 Tuxedo Black SHO w/ PP

liteyouup

Still no quarter mile times at Bandimere?
2013 Explorer Sport
...and on that day, not one #@%$ was given.

PokerMunkee

#55
2013 Charger SRT8 at Pueblo drag strip, 1000' lower than Bandi.  Doing 13.5@102:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31dYybyc2ls


panther's tuned SHO does 13.5-13.8 at Bandimere depending on DA:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2MnkLvxP_A


I plan to hit Pueblo in a few months with my tuned SHO.  Hoping for low 13's.
2013 SHO PP - Ignot Silver/Charcoal
Unleashed 91 tune w/ 3BAR, Corsa exhaust, LEDs everywhere
2011 F-250 6.2 CCSB FX4

SHOnUup

I was able to do a little run vs my buddies Charger Hellcat over the weekend. He wasn't able to access launch control yet (under 500 miles) so we rolled into it from a dig. Door to door until 70...then it looked like I threw out an anchor...lol

Rich

2011 Sterling Gray Metallic SHO non PP,
12.4211 @ 110.28 Livernois 3bar tune & CAI,
Added since...PPE catless Dpipes, Megan coilovers, Powergrid adjustable end links, and EBC slotted rotors and red stuff pads.
Tommy Designs grille with carbon fiber hydrographics, fender badges and fog bezels hydrodipped also, tinted windows, head & taillights, debadged trunk with all chrome plasti-dipped, black calipers, obdlink mx scantool running torque pro on 7" tablet.

SHOdded

So, about 4.3 seconds worth of grins, and then wth's?
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

SHOnUup

Quote from: SHOdded on April 13, 2015, 11:16:58 AM
So, about 4.3 seconds worth of grins, and then wth's?
Yup...even tried to weigh him down slightly by having the wife ride with him...lol

Rich

2011 Sterling Gray Metallic SHO non PP,
12.4211 @ 110.28 Livernois 3bar tune & CAI,
Added since...PPE catless Dpipes, Megan coilovers, Powergrid adjustable end links, and EBC slotted rotors and red stuff pads.
Tommy Designs grille with carbon fiber hydrographics, fender badges and fog bezels hydrodipped also, tinted windows, head & taillights, debadged trunk with all chrome plasti-dipped, black calipers, obdlink mx scantool running torque pro on 7" tablet.

pjw315

Quote from: 74d34h on September 03, 2013, 07:49:02 AM
Quote from: geswek on September 02, 2013, 10:19:43 PM
The one time I ran my car I did 12.8 on 1/4; I watched Challenger 392 line up few runs later and he couldn't get off the line to save his rear--ended up running 14.9 in the 1/4.

I raced a Challenger SRT he asked for it! He was revvin me at a green light I took him up to 80mph then backed off it was a 45mph zone. I had the AC running no effort, too easy. Those cars have a lot HP stock harder to launch.

I seen a tune only SHO do 12.42 last weekend.