Tuned SHO as fast as SRT8?

[SwampRat]

am I the only one who watched this :
he ate this SRT8 up ... even If its an old clip ! !

shoman04 eats SRT8

from hotlanta   http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bSRDzsnQGVI

[Night Hawk]

Unless there is a relatively good driver behind the wheel of a bone stock SRT on street tires, you are not going lose most of the time. I would say the tuned SHO wins 7 or 8 times out of 10.

True story...

2010 SHO Taurus vs Jeep SRT-8 New England dragway 10/14/2012 vid 2

Big difference in weight between an SRT8 in challenger or charger body suit than the jeep version at 5200(!) pounds.  I would expect a SHO at  800 pounds less to fare a lot better against that porky jeep than the more comparable weight class foes.  This popped up when I googled for the jeep srt8 weight--even the fat ass ran a 13.3 stock here:

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/suvs/1108_2012_jeep_grand_cherokee_srt8_first_test/

The jeep certainly benefited by having AWD to get power to the pavement.

Pretty sure a 4500lb AWD 3.5 TT 4dr sedan  VS a 5200lb AWD 6.4 V8 4DR SUV is pretty evenly matched, yea AWD is a Huge benefit to the jeep compared to its RWD cousins, esp at the track.

[jim1274]

Unless there is a relatively good driver behind the wheel of a bone stock SRT on street tires, you are not going lose most of the time. I would say the tuned SHO wins 7 or 8 times out of 10.

True story...

2010 SHO Taurus vs Jeep SRT-8 New England dragway 10/14/2012 vid 2

Big difference in weight between an SRT8 in challenger or charger body suit than the jeep version at 5200(!) pounds.  I would expect a SHO at  800 pounds less to fare a lot better against that porky jeep than the more comparable weight class foes.  This popped up when I googled for the jeep srt8 weight--even the fat ass ran a 13.3 stock here:

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/suvs/1108_2012_jeep_grand_cherokee_srt8_first_test/

The jeep certainly benefited by having AWD to get power to the pavement.

Pretty sure a 4500lb AWD 3.5 TT 4dr sedan  VS a 5200lb AWD 6.4 V8 4DR SUV is pretty evenly matched, yea AWD is a Huge benefit to the jeep compared to its RWD cousins, esp at the track.

I was only making the point of the jeep weight disadvantage compared to the lighter challenger and charger platforms others have compared to the SHO. 

[SRT82ECOBOOST]

Just off from about an hour and a half battle over at a Mopar site on the topic that the new Chryslers hot rods in a couple years may be downsizing engines and going the turbo route. I was very straightforward and came out admitting that I love V8's for all the reasons that they do but was quick to add that after owning the SHO, I can see how they can be replaced by turbo V6's. That opened the floodgates to a lot of bashing on me, but I held the course, remained respectful and delivered the facts. Some blockhead people are just so attached to V8's that they can not fathom the thought of going to a V6. They better get with the times as that is going to be the wave of the future.

[Night Hawk]

  Its def a great point about the weight jim, I wonder how much the AWD makes up for. I know its usually approx a tenth per 100lbs so the jeep would be giving up seven tenths right off the bat.

[SHOmanMike84]

Just off from about an hour and a half battle over at a Mopar site on the topic that the new Chryslers hot rods in a couple years may be downsizing engines and going the turbo route. I was very straightforward and came out admitting that I love V8's for all the reasons that they do but was quick to add that after owning the SHO, I can see how they can be replaced by turbo V6's. That opened the floodgates to a lot of bashing on me, but I held the course, remained respectful and delivered the facts. Some blockhead people are just so attached to V8's that they can not fathom the thought of going to a V6. They better get with the times as that is going to be the wave of the future.

Which Mopar forum?

I'd like to read what others had to say.

[panther427]

 TT V8.  FTW

[noidster]

my best runs in my SRT is 12.1 at 108 spinning the tires and a 12.2 at 114 no spin. But it's not a 8.

[Txstrmhntr]

ive lined up against several srt8 chargers and challengers. And won most races, beat all chargers that have tried and only lost to a few challengers, no idea what any of them had so assuming they were all stock. It was a close race with just about any challenger srt8 and varied from close to bus lengths against the chargers. After talking with some of them they had a mopar car club thing and were surprised to find out my SHO was only running a tune. They all had traction issues even on the best of days at the tracks i've been to with them. Texas Raceway 1/8, Texas motorplex 1/4 and Northstar 1/8 (Kennedale, Ennis, and Denton TX). While nice cars until they mate that AWD system in the 300c to the SRT8 power train, im going to give the overall win to a Tuned SHO. Not to mention we get loads better MPG (maybe about even if you drive the srt8 like a nanny, but with spirited driving the mopars start guzzling fuel faster than Roseanne bar eating chocolate donuts)

[bpd1151]

I'm going to give the overall win to a Tuned SHO.

Not to mention we get loads better MPG....

(maybe about even if you drive the SRT8 like a nanny, but with spirited driving the Mopar's start guzzling fuel faster than Roseanne bar eating chocolate donuts)

I almost aspirated the donut I was downing when I read the Roseanne comment!

Now that was/is a flip'n hilarious analogy.



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[jim1274]

Just off from about an hour and a half battle over at a Mopar site on the topic that the new Chryslers hot rods in a couple years may be downsizing engines and going the turbo route. I was very straightforward and came out admitting that I love V8's for all the reasons that they do but was quick to add that after owning the SHO, I can see how they can be replaced by turbo V6's. That opened the floodgates to a lot of bashing on me, but I held the course, remained respectful and delivered the facts. Some blockhead people are just so attached to V8's that they can not fathom the thought of going to a V6. They better get with the times as that is going to be the wave of the future.

This thread topic is generally about 1/4 mile comparison of SRT8 vs SHO platform, but I think there is a lot more to a car's goodness than that narrow definition.  If they had put a hot twin turbo in the challenger, I personally would not have even considered one.  The charm of that car was the throwback styling with rumbling old school big block goodness.  It would not work for me even if 500hp in TT form.  Conversely, I really prefer the opposite approach being used on the SHO.  The engine just quietly (relatively), efficiently, and smoothly goes about its business.   The Challenger would have worn thin as a DD, and i never would have taken it on a long road trip when the SHO  was available next to it.  The SHO is an awesome long trip cruiser.  The SRT8 is an awesome weekend short cruiser and just plain more fun.  The Challenger is in a whole other league when it comes to braking with big Brembos on all corners (Ford REALLY dropped the ball on SHO brakes IMHO) and the better handling suspension (and adjustable, but maybe the PP would change that).  I could go on, but think my point was made.  They really are two different animals and both great cars to my mind.  If my garage was bigger, I ABSOLUTELY would have kept the SRT8 too.   I appreciate and love both flavors.

[SRT82ECOBOOST]

^^^^Just so you know, Motor Trend tested the braking and got the following results for each vehicle from 60-0:
-2011 Challenger SRT-392 @ 117 feet
-2013 Taurus SHO @ 106 feet
-2010 Taurus SHO @ 112 feet
Also sourced from Motor Trend is the 300' skidpad numbers:
-2011 Challenger SRT-392 @ .89g
-2013 Taurus SHO @ .88g
-2010 Taurus SHO @ .87g
So the SHO takes two out of three categories when tuned (braking and straight line) and the SRT gets slightly better handling. I would think that is a win just based on performance metrics.

[steve142857]

^^^^Just so you know, Motor Trend tested the braking and got the following results for each vehicle from 60-0:
-2011 Challenger SRT-392 @ 117 feet
-2013 Taurus SHO @ 106 feet
-2010 Taurus SHO @ 112 feet
Also sourced from Motor Trend is the 300' skidpad numbers:
-2011 Challenger SRT-392 @ .89g
-2013 Taurus SHO @ .88g
-2010 Taurus SHO @ .87g
So the SHO takes two out of three categories when tuned (braking and straight line) and the SRT gets slightly better handling. I would think that is a win just based on performance metrics.

Nice numbers. I'd be curious to do the skidpad test with a lowered 2013 SHO with H&R's and better tires. My guess is that it should be @ .90g...

The only thing that a tuned SHO with H&Rs wouldn't win against a Challenger 392 SRT8 is a rolling race over 60mph... Our cars with excess weight and the loss of power from our AWD makes it difficult to win on the highway... But methanol is a good cure for that...

Cheers!

[SRT82ECOBOOST]

I would definitely think that skidpad numbers would be appreciably higher with the H+R springs.
The 392 would eat up a tuned SHO since it traps so much higher in the quarter mile. Not sure how many mods it would take to even the playing field.

[TSS]

Some blockhead people are just so attached to V8's that they can not fathom the thought of going to a V6.

That was me............before the MKS.  The only thing I miss now is the sound of a good V8.