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Charge Air Temp Rising

Started by Gray Brick, December 16, 2014, 11:38:38 PM

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Gray Brick


My charge air temperatures are going up as the intake and ambient are going down.

Is the intercooler not doing it's job or do I need to increase the Water/Meth volume?

2013 Ecoboost Ford Flex
AJP Tune (ATP+2) in progress , Livernois HPFP, 3 Bar MAP, UPR Catch Can, 100% Methanol w/ braided steel lines, 3" Downpipes -->2.5" X-pipe --> 2.5" Magnaflow exhaust, 2.5" air inlets to each turbo with cone filter, Custom water to air intercooler with chiller
275/40-20 Front 315/35-20 Rear Tires
---12.419ET/112.43MPH @ 5150 lbs in the 1/4---

Livernois Motorsports

Well, typically speaking most datalogging software has some pretty big errors in them (which is why we don't do logging except in house, as our logging equipment costs almost as much as one of these cars) but it looks like the car is running almost 19# of boost up top. That is WAY, WAY beyond the efficiency point of the stock turbos. The intercooler is a good unit, but the turbos are fighting for their life at that point. Even aftermarket turbos start to run out of steam around that point. I don't see any way to control ACT at that point other than lowering the boost back to a safe level.

ZSHO

Quote from: Livernois Motorsports on December 17, 2014, 08:50:02 AM
Well, typically speaking most datalogging software has some pretty big errors in them (which is why we don't do logging except in house, as our logging equipment costs almost as much as one of these cars) but it looks like the car is running almost 19# of boost up top. That is WAY, WAY beyond the efficiency point of the stock turbos. The intercooler is a good unit, but the turbos are fighting for their life at that point. Even aftermarket turbos start to run out of steam around that point. I don't see any way to control ACT at that point other than lowering the boost back to a safe level.
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Livernois Motorsports

Thank you Z, and the same to you and yours! We are all about building up the entire community, that is just how we operate!

EcoPowerParts

I seriously don't believe SCT software has issues with it but I'll make sure to invite some of their representatives to chime in.
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Gray Brick

Thank you for your input.

It looks like a consistent temperature rise as the RPM rises.

With more W/M can this be reduced?

Running #5 nozzle on a Snow Performance Stage 2 kit. Start-8psi, Full-18psi.
2013 Ecoboost Ford Flex
AJP Tune (ATP+2) in progress , Livernois HPFP, 3 Bar MAP, UPR Catch Can, 100% Methanol w/ braided steel lines, 3" Downpipes -->2.5" X-pipe --> 2.5" Magnaflow exhaust, 2.5" air inlets to each turbo with cone filter, Custom water to air intercooler with chiller
275/40-20 Front 315/35-20 Rear Tires
---12.419ET/112.43MPH @ 5150 lbs in the 1/4---

EcoPowerParts

It's standard that IAT's will rise under load over time, the better the intercooler, the less it rises. The max temp I'm seeing is 101 degrees vs a 60 degree ambient temp so a 40 degree delta, I just pulled up one of my old logs and I was seeing a 40 degree delta between 100 degree ambient temps and 140 intake.
Send your log to Torrie (I would imagine he's your tuner) and review.



I imagine we have others with data logs of a pull to see ambient vs IAT delta.
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SHOdded

Stock intake (airbox, filter, tubing etc.)?  Air filter clean?  Intercooler checked for possible presence of oil?  Where is the W/M injector mounted?  Inspect piping carefully for cracks/breaks, especially near the clamping areas.

Sustained boost at 19 psi is undesirable, spikes are manageable.  Shouldn't be more than 14 psi sustained max on stock turbos.

Pics of your underhood setup?
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If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

BiGMaC

Quote from: Gray Brick on December 17, 2014, 11:38:10 AM
Thank you for your input.

It looks like a consistent temperature rise as the RPM rises.

With more W/M can this be reduced?

Running #5 nozzle on a Snow Performance Stage 2 kit. Start-8psi, Full-18psi.

Check with your tuner and the components advised above... I know you are running snow..... but under the "home" tab the alky site has some info (FAQ and FAQ2) that may provide some answers.
http://www.alkycontrol.com/#!faqs/c1xjo

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