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50/50 or 100% meth

Started by alpine_jake, October 11, 2014, 05:54:44 AM

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alpine_jake

I have been kicking around getting a meth kit for the rig but have a couple questions about what i should do

what brand?- snow devils own (alky is a bit expensive)

is it safe to run 100% meth?-(explosions)

Gain for using 100% meth rather than 50/50?

2010 Non-pp pearl white, Torrie tuned, 3Bar, Dyno Max mufflers and polished 4"tips, 170 Thermo, slotted and drilled black rotors, ceramic pads, silver calipers, tinted tails, .030 NGK

SHOdded

Have you gone through this section yet?  Good advice therein!
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

alpine_jake

#2
i honestly didnt read everything but i tried to skim around. Didnt quite find what i was looking for

edit:

from what i have further read i am concerned about cold weather temps. we had -40 for nearly 2 months last winter.

I want to find a system i can get tuned and leave alone 100%
ALL I EVER WANT TO HAVE TO DO IS ADD METH! lol
2010 Non-pp pearl white, Torrie tuned, 3Bar, Dyno Max mufflers and polished 4"tips, 170 Thermo, slotted and drilled black rotors, ceramic pads, silver calipers, tinted tails, .030 NGK

wasinger3000

I run 90m/10w. It's been working really well for me. If you go with devil's own you can always upgrade the pump head to 3/8 MPT and get braided hoses so you don't have to worry about leaks. I worried about fires for awhile but it really isn't that hard to engineer around it. I also carry a fire extinguisher just to be safe.
13' SHO, Non-PP, Tuned by Torrie, Meth injection, 3 bar, 170* stat, custom axle back exhaust, Prosport Boost gauge.
15' F150 Lariat Sport, all the options, 3.5L Eco. (fiancée ride.)
13' GTCS, will be missed.

BBOX

I'm running the Snow Stage 2 kit from Torrie with Snow's Boost Juice, I'm sure it's not the cheapest way to do things but it means Snow will warranty the kit and it's less of a fire hazard, though those concerns may be overblown anyways. Torrie's great to work with as far as tuning the kit, as soon as I get done transferring some files over to my server off my laptop I'm going out for another data logging run with the updated tune he just sent me.

bpd1151

Running 100% Meth.

Have now for nearly 3 years w/o any issue(s) whatsoever.

Daily Driven, and last Winter we here in the Midwest, Chicago particularly, learned a new weather term named "Polar Vortex".

We had record setting sub zero (actual) temperatures for both daytime highs, as well as overnight lows.

Again no issues.

As far as an ongoing expense. Because the Alky Controls Kit I purchased has a progressive control system....

Methanol usage is directly correlated with the Driver's right foot.

Drive like an @ss & you'll go through a healthy amount. Drive even somewhat conservatively, then your usage declines.

I am not a fan of mixing & am more inclined to dispense a 100% solution into the reservoir & forget about it.

Less headache, less nonsense.

A 5gal pail of VP M1 (in my area) with tax, runs about $46.

A 55gal drum, with tax, about $232.

Ummm...... Did I forget anything?

Sinister-CO

I'm with BBOX. I don't have a kit on my wife's X but I've had a snow system on my other car for five or six years with no problems. I also run their boost juice. It's not even close to a daily driver but I haven't had any issues at all.
2015 Explorer Sport
2004 Explorer Sport Trac
2003 V-Rod - Black/Silver Anniversary Edition
1987 Grand National - High 11's at altitude

BBOX

Quote from: Sinister-CO on October 11, 2014, 07:07:10 PM
I'm with BBOX. I don't have a kit on my wife's X but I've had a snow system on my other car for five or six years with no problems. I also run their boost juice. It's not even close to a daily driver but I haven't had any issues at all.

By "other car" do you mean the Grand National I see lurking in your signature? And would you mind posting pictures of it in either case?

SHOdded

Would you all advise waiting till engine is at operating temp (or also the trans) before doing any WOT or hard accelerations in a methanol-injected vehicle?
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

ZSHO

Quote from: SHOdded on October 11, 2014, 07:45:39 PM
Would you all advise waiting till engine is at operating temp (or also the trans) before doing any WOT or hard accelerations in a methanol-injected vehicle?
SHOdded your absolutly correct,thats the great feature with the torque app lets you know when the vehicle is at normal operating temp especially in the winter with cold temps.


2013 Performance Package SHO| Livernois Custom Methanol Tune|3-Bar Map|Reische-170-Stat|Full Race Tial-10psi BOV in Black|PPE-Gloss Black Hot Pipes|EPP Dual Intake in Gloss Black|PPE Catted DP|Corsa Sport Cat Back Exhaust|H&R Sport-Springs|CFM Performance Billet Valve Cover Breather In Gloss Black|Llumar 20%Ceramic window Tint|MSD Ignition Coils in Black|Extreme Roof Spoiler|Redline Fluids all around|Gearhead Intercooler|First-SHO With Direct Port Alky-VP-M1-100%-Methanol Injection|LMS-Custom-Dyno-Tuned @ 415whp-465wtq| Best Trap Speed of 115.54 mph|

BBOX

Quote from: SHOdded on October 11, 2014, 07:45:39 PM
Would you all advise waiting till engine is at operating temp (or also the trans) before doing any WOT or hard accelerations in a methanol-injected vehicle?

Well, I'd recommend that regardless of meth usage just because I'm cautious. I definitely make sure to have the car at operating temp before I start cracking her open on my data logging runs.

bpd1151

Absolutely agree with Manu & others.

Regardless of running Meth (or not) none of you should be performing WOT unless EVERYTHING is up to operating temps.

Good point to mention to, is that all the pumps themselves are essentially mfg'd by the same vendor, just re-labeled and re-sold under w/e company one ends up purchasing from.

As such, there are what I learned to be "duty cycles" of 2-3yrs for the pumps when running Meth through them.

So plan on either having your current pump rebuilt, or purchase a new one outright.

I agree also with BBOX that the concerns of a fire or what have you are way overrated.

But like him, I too have a fire extinguisher mounted on board just in case. Playing it safe is always a good thing.



FoMoCoSHO

Quote from: bpd1151 on October 11, 2014, 08:14:42 PM
Absolutely agree with Manu & others.

Regardless of running Meth (or not) none of you should be performing WOT unless EVERYTHING is up to operating temps.

Good point to mention to, is that all the pumps themselves are essentially mfg'd by the same vendor, just re-labeled and re-sold under w/e company one ends up purchasing from.

As such, there are what I learned to be "duty cycles" of 2-3yrs for the pumps when running Meth through them.

So plan on either having your current pump rebuilt, or purchase a new one outright.

I agree also with BBOX that the concerns of a fire or what have you are way overrated.

But like him, I too have a fire extinguisher mounted on board just in case. Playing it safe is always a good thing.

I noticed that when my car was stock that it would limit boost until the coolant temps were up. (Yes, I got a little overzealous a few times)  :)

But I agree with everyone that going WOT prematurely at the very least will wear engine components prematurely.

Worst case is kaboom.

I really want an oil temp gauge for this very reason because the oil doesn't heat at the same rate as engine coolant.

When my engine comes apart, I want it to be because it flat out made more power than it was engineered to handle, not something silly like a lack of cold start discipline.






Sinister-CO

Quote from: BBOX on October 11, 2014, 07:33:30 PM
Quote from: Sinister-CO on October 11, 2014, 07:07:10 PM
I'm with BBOX. I don't have a kit on my wife's X but I've had a snow system on my other car for five or six years with no problems. I also run their boost juice. It's not even close to a daily driver but I haven't had any issues at all.

By "other car" do you mean the Grand National I see lurking in your signature? And would you mind posting pictures of it in either case?
Yep, you got it. It's a fun toy for sure. Here are a couple of pics with the factory rims and one from when I put the new ones on a few years ago. I also run the snow safe injection deal on mine. If it's not injecting it should dump the boost. I've never needed it yet but hopefully it will save my engine if anything ever happens.






2015 Explorer Sport
2004 Explorer Sport Trac
2003 V-Rod - Black/Silver Anniversary Edition
1987 Grand National - High 11's at altitude

SHOdded

Thanks y'all for most excellent inputs!  Jake, I hope your safety concerns have been put to rest?
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!