4dr LMS has extended the invite to you to prove the claims they make. When do plan taking them up?


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Quote from: crash712us on April 28, 2014, 10:07:53 PM
4dr LMS has extended the invite to you to prove the claims they make. When do plan taking them up?


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Never, EVER

Can't blame ya for not wanting to shoot yourself in the foot.


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Quote from: crash712us on April 28, 2014, 10:18:06 PM
Can't blame ya for not wanting to shoot yourself in the foot.


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I don't know what that means but I have no desire to meet them or go to their shop.
I'll keep doing my thing and they can do theirs.

Sometimes this s*** gets old!
Over and out.

Big didn't ya hear old is what's in.


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Its so funny how some people on this forum still disregard the usefulness of data logging or even monitoring what's going on. I mean if I had a hesitation in the tune,I would personally want to data log and see if the fuel pressure was low or what exactly it was. Not just blindly install another tune and hope it fixed it. To each there own.

I went with Unleashed because they offer a TRUE custom tune. I have only had 1 revision done, but i have gained 1 MPG on my AVERAGE and ran a 13.5 with just a tune. The Flex still has a stock feel until you get on it and then its just a beast.

I think I have made up my mind... As Wilson pointed out, Unleashed is a quick drive from Tampa. So if I ever have any problems, Im not very far away. Also, the lower price point of Unleashed is better for me as my pockets aren't very deep. Im just starting small here, not looking to dump a boatload of money into my car at one time. I have deep respect for all of your cars regardless of tune and options. I didn't want to start an argument here, no need to bash others cars and tunes. I was just looking for some pros and cons between Unleashed and LMS and ask some questions. I see that a lot of you have 3 bar MAPs, whats the advantage of it vs the stock one? How hard is it/how much $$ would it be to install the 170 t-stat? Currently (stock) my cars coolant temp runs between 190 and 200 degrees and get up to 212 in the city, so I see the benefit of keeping it cooler, especially in Florida.

Definitely change the t stat .... super easy .
3 Bar Map allows  for  a little more boost with stock turbos and it let's  the ECU communicate with the components more effectively in a tuned vehicle .

Quote from: jtoddk98 on April 28, 2014, 10:40:22 PM
I think I have made up my mind... As Wilson pointed out, Unleashed is a quick drive from Tampa. So if I ever have any problems, Im not very far away. Also, the lower price point of Unleashed is better for me as my pockets aren't very deep. Im just starting small here, not looking to dump a boatload of money into my car at one time. I have deep respect for all of your cars regardless of tune and options. I didn't want to start an argument here, no need to bash others cars and tunes. I was just looking for some pros and cons between Unleashed and LMS and ask some questions. I see that a lot of you have 3 bar MAPs, whats the advantage of it vs the stock one? How hard is it/how much $$ would it be to install the 170 t-stat? Currently (stock) my cars coolant temp runs between 190 and 200 degrees and get up to 212 in the city, so I see the benefit of keeping it cooler, especially in Florida.

Like you I was a bit hesitant to spend massive amounts of money I still had a few payments on. The LMS tune, I caught on sale. I bought new from LMS the MyCal tuner, 4 tune files, Airaid CAI, colder plugs, and 170 thermostat for $600. Was awesome deal for me. Especially since Christmas time and money was tight. If in no rush, maybe roll the dice and see if they have another sale as that one!

Quote from: 4DRHTRD on April 28, 2014, 10:16:25 PM

Quote from: crash712us on April 28, 2014, 10:07:53 PM
4dr LMS has extended the invite to you to prove the claims they make. When do plan taking them up?

Never, EVER

Hahaha, seems like you've had a little change of heart from when this was brought up:

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So if I flew up there you have an ecoboost car you can show me these tests in person?

We would love for that to happen. Any time we can educate someone it benefits the community as a whole. We own 5 EcoBoost vehicles, so to say we will have one available is an understatement
I know you had a good number of other items that you were wanting to see our Data on, so it would be great. Will we show you how to tune? probably not but we would love you educate you on how honest we are being.

Bummer too...I had my popcorn all ready to go for the meet 'n greet...

I have to admit, while I'm not one for drama, I do get a kick out of the fact that whenever a newb joins the party and asks "who's tune is best?" it ends up like this. LOL

4DR, I saw your additions to the TUNE page attempting an unbiased comparison, but maybe you should put a sticky on the new members page that says; "Don't ask who's tune is best...search or PM".

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Quote from: crash712us on April 28, 2014, 10:07:53 PM
4dr LMS has extended the invite to you to prove the claims they make. When do plan taking them up?


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Never, EVER

That's too bad, we would have loved to have shown you why we are so adamant on our standing as to why we do things a certain way, and how dangerously incorrect the datalogging solutions people are using today are on these cars.

We have never been against datalogging, we are against data logging the wrong parameters, and this is what happens today on every logging system out there. At the end of the day it's great that there are multiple options, we just have a philosophical difference on how we develop and tune vehicles.

We spend the time here with our own cars, developing all of the tunes for every strategy code in house, and then sending them out. This ensures the highest level of quality control out there and makes certain there is no need for logging. Does this mean that there aren't updates? Of course not, even FoMoCo releases numerous updates for car's and their calibrations just as we do, the difference is that someone can be sitting on their couch while we are doing the dirty work for them.

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Quote from: jtoddk98 on April 28, 2014, 10:40:22 PM
I think I have made up my mind... As Wilson pointed out, Unleashed is a quick drive from Tampa. So if I ever have any problems, Im not very far away. Also, the lower price point of Unleashed is better for me as my pockets aren't very deep. Im just starting small here, not looking to dump a boatload of money into my car at one time. I have deep respect for all of your cars regardless of tune and options. I didn't want to start an argument here, no need to bash others cars and tunes. I was just looking for some pros and cons between Unleashed and LMS and ask some questions. I see that a lot of you have 3 bar MAPs, whats the advantage of it vs the stock one? How hard is it/how much $$ would it be to install the 170 t-stat? Currently (stock) my cars coolant temp runs between 190 and 200 degrees and get up to 212 in the city, so I see the benefit of keeping it cooler, especially in Florida.

Like you I was a bit hesitant to spend massive amounts of money I still had a few payments on. The LMS tune, I caught on sale. I bought new from LMS the MyCal tuner, 4 tune files, Airaid CAI, colder plugs, and 170 thermostat for $600. Was awesome deal for me. Especially since Christmas time and money was tight. If in no rush, maybe roll the dice and see if they have another sale as that one!

If I could get that deal for $600 that would be an awesome deal. May just wait till Christmas time to see if LMS puts up another sale like that. Im not against any of the tuners out there, wether it be LMS or Unleashed. I just want to find the one that fits me and my car best.

After a few months of comparisons I went with unleashed however both from what I have read offer superior customer service as well as tuning. You cannot go wrong with either. I went with unleashed for the price difference and am happy with it however their are alot of folks who are happy with their LMS tunes