Quote from: SRT82ECOBOOST on October 11, 2013, 07:40:10 PM
Stock versus stock the SHO is faster, the numbers prove that. I would say that with the same mods applied to each platform the same holds true. Maybe the big difference is at the end of the day one person has a luxury car and the other has a warmed over econobox.

I love my SHO....don't get me wrong. But, a warmed over econobox??? Man, I don't know if you ever drove one, but that was the best handling car (stock) that I have ever driven. I took many laps on a road track, and, seriously, the Speed3 would walk the SHO any day.

Anyways, I am pretty satisfied with my SHO (minus all the silly rattles).

I would need numbers to prove to that a Mazdaspeed 3, that is down 100+ hp and front wheel drive, would actually be faster around a true road course. According to Car and Driver the Taurus SHO pulled .86g, the Mazdaspeed 3 pulled .87, when ran through the 300 ft. diameter skidpad. Unless you are running on an autocross track in a mall parking lot, the Taurus SHO is going to be faster around a track.

i know my Mazda was a hell of a lot faster then my sho. but was far from stock.
the only reason the speed 3 aren't fast is because it is a hard car to get off the line in my opinion. even compared to other fwd.
once its moving tho they are monsters.
even around a track i would guarantee the Mazda is faster srt8 the sho just won't get up and go out of the corners like the mazda will stock for stock that is.

The entire time I had my speed I read tons of hate from other forums towards it. People have a hard time wrapping there head around how fast they are for the price. And think that there "prestigious" vehicles are better in every aspect. And Autox shouldn't even be part of this conversation. The speed is lighter and has a better power to weight ratio. Not to mention a crap ton of suspension support and what do we get? Springs?... We can't even buy a better sway bar setup yet.

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I really like the MS3, if i did not have a need to seat 6, i would of have got one. People really rag on it for some reason but i am willing to bet the fact it will beat a lot of higher HP cars, on auto X course. FORD made that engine, and they did a really good job, it makes power all the way throughout the RPM's except the K04 dives off toward red line.

EDIT; Maybe we have different version of econobox, but i never once thought that about a MS3. I suppose a wrx is a econobox? focus rs? evo?  To me when it has power everything, a DI engine, interior is above par, that is not the equivalent to a ecobox

Quote from: thatsmrgimp2u on October 12, 2013, 11:23:19 AM
We can't even buy a better sway bar setup yet.

That's where being into the ricer scene has its' advantages!  But frankly, most of the support is for smaller cars anyway, I guess they are less expensive to own and R&D.

I have a monthly payment equal to what I was paying on my mazda. Cost of time and labor  is pretty standard these days. I wasn't until two years ago that the speed scene was flooded with loads of immature cocky individuals (really don't agree with the "ricer scene" regarding the speed just yet but it's getting there). By that time most of the R&D was done. Now sadly its becoming the new srt4. Still the best car community I have ever been a part of.

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I agree with him ^^^ I learned so much off there forum, and so much willing to help. They  have what they call a 'Nator' and i dont know how many times i seen picture of 'Nator' get togathers, where they were helping someone fix something, or install something. The only cost was food, or beer.

And i never owned a Mazdaspeed, my brother did, and i like to read. So i read for him. It ended up informing me on so much more on these direct injection engines, since ford pretty much designed there engine.

That car is still not 'ricer' in my area, the couple i've seen have kept it stock, minus power mods but i am sure as more awareness of the ability of that car come about, it will be turned into a GTI/ WRX/ EVO ricer car

So here are three things that need to be addressed:
1.)If you come on to an Ecoboost forum and start pounding your chest that the Mazdaspeed 3 is quicker, you are going to get some blowback.
2.) All claims that "I know my MS3 was faster..." or ".....my butt dyno tells me..." can be completely thrown out the window as that is really a best guess and not cemented in actually fact or measured results.
3.) Now here is the big one and don't let the facts get in the way of the truth. All of the following numbers are from Car and Driver and their instrumented tests (SHO figures followed by MS3) :
200' skidpad       .86g     .87g
0-60mph            5.2       5.8
0-100mph          13.0      14.8
0-120mph          20.4      21.9
5-60mph            5.6        6.7
30-50mph(top gear)  2.7        10.6
50-70mph(top gear)  3.6        6.8
1/4 mile             13.8 @102      14.4@99mph

The MS3 wins just one category and that is by .01g in the skidpad testing. More importantly if we were to look at the numbers that center around the OP's roll race and subtract 0-60mph time from the 0-120mph which would equal the time it takes for each vehicle to go from 60-120mph, the SHO wins again by only taking 15.2 seconds to the MS3's 16.1 seconds. We are talking bus lengths difference here.
The floor is open for commentary.

coughIHAVEAFLEXcough

All the data your provided is useless... The mazdaspeed has a limit to there first gear, it only does about 75 percent, and does not get a 100% power until 3rd. We were  at 30mph and he beat from his 3rd gear, and 2nd gear pull..

And what generation speed3 are you comparing? Dragtimes.com has stock Gen one speed 3s turning 14 flat quarter miles. There are big differences between the first and second Gen.

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Look up actual 30mph roll's on the Mazdaspeed, i want to say Motortrend, clocked it at almost "Corvette" fast.

When I have some time to sit down and actually do some diligent research I will. I'll look top gear laps and things of that nature to get a comparison. All I'm saying is that your usual Street encounter on a highway will end bad for you. Unless you are 4dr... Lol

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I can second that ^^^ He beat me in 3rd gear @ 30mph, and then beat me even worse in 2nd gear at 30mph

Quote from: Josephm on October 12, 2013, 04:55:33 PM
coughIHAVEAFLEXcough

All the data your provided is useless... The mazdaspeed has a limit to there first gear, it only does about 75 percent, and does not get a 100% power until 3rd. We were  at 30mph and he beat from his 3rd gear, and 2nd gear pull..

"All the data your provided is useless...." Instrumented testing from one of the world's leader in automotive journalism, Car and Driver, and you deem it useless. No more point in continuing this if facts hold no weight in the discussion.