Curious if you guys can give me some guidance on what the best upgrades/upgrade will be to get the most hp for around 2500.
Definitely Meth injection along with a nice set of PPE Catted DP from info@ecopowerparts.com ,both can be had for well under that price range including install,more info can be found here. Z http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,808.0.html (http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,808.0.html) :)
^ x2. Since you are already tuned, you are ahead in the numbers game. Don't know if you have added the 3 bar & TStat mods yet. Those are musthaves also. Adjustable end links for better alignment options. Spring for an all-Amsoil setup in the powertrain: Engine oil, trans, PTU, RDU (Motor City Synthetics is a vendor on here you can use). Maybe a brake fluid flush too. Not sure if the exhaust cutouts will fit, contact Mike @ EcoPowerParts on that.
Brakes & cooling are pretty well taken care of with the Perf Pkg.
Is maintaining warranty plausibility important?
Meth makes that really difficult.
Here's a link to a thread that's about 18 months old.... So prices are low... But the info is pretty accurate. Both Z and FoMoCo are correct.
http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,808.msg7294.html#msg7294 (http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,808.msg7294.html#msg7294)
I'm waiting on my extended warranty to do it, but meth should be good for 60-70 AWHP and equivalent torque increases. Down pipes can add 12-17 AWHP depending on cats or not...but they will shift your power curve down about 400rpm giving you the power sooner... That's what it did on my SHO on the dyno... And on my butt dyno too. There is always the ATP Bolt on turbo upgrade also.... Adds about 60-70% increase in both impeller and compressor capability.
BTW... Noticed your sig. Where did you get the Megan coilovers?... I've been waiting for some that will fit a '13+
Thanks for the input guys i appreciate it.
But i think after looking at ATP's website I'm leaning more towards the turbo upgrade. I also think that if I don't touch anything else in there I could still get away with any warranty work as the they look identical to the stock turbos.
seeing that an f150 that was making 500 whp and 530 tq ran a 12.8 i think this could get me deep into the 12's.
who all on here has done just the turbo upgrade and a tune with a 3 bar curious of the results. I am trying to make this thing look and sound as stock as possible to create the ultimate sleeper.
I would love to tune on atp turbos....might not even need a 3 bar....13-15 psi on bigger turbos would probably have awsome output
bpd1151 is the only member that I'm sure has those upgraded ATP turbos... Maybe he'll chime in.
Still wondering where you got those Megan coilovers to fit your '15...
What's the question??
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Quote from: BiGMaC on May 15, 2016, 09:00:40 AM
bpd1151 is the only member that I'm sure has those upgraded ATP turbos... Maybe he'll chime in.
Still wondering where you got those Megan coilovers to fit your '15...
Tom think they are Megan Prototype's,more info can be found here. Z http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,5733.msg90541.html#msg90541 (http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,5733.msg90541.html#msg90541) Hopefully Mike from EPP will have an update. IDK.
Quote from: bpd1151 on May 15, 2016, 09:24:34 AM
What's the question??
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Mike think the OP wants to know if a Tune & upgraded ATP turbo's will put him in the Deep 12's,thanks. Z
I would be upset if turbos didnt get me into the high 11's
bpd what boost do you run in the atp's and meth or no?
Quote from: AJP turbo on May 15, 2016, 10:14:05 AMI would be upset if turbos didnt get me into the high 11's
bpd what boost do you run in the atp's and meth or no?
Anyone can be upset as they want.... The fact is, there have only been a total of 5 late model SHO owners who have broken into the 11's AJP.
Me, Jacob, Darelli, FirstSHO, and one other.
The 11's have proven incredibly elusive for the SHO platform. It takes heaps of work to get these fat pigs hurdling down the track to cross over into those realms.
So discouraging in fact, that of the 5, only 2 still have possession of their SHO's. That would be me, and then Jacob.
Looking at the OP's signature, I see he has some supporting hardware to compliment a potential turbo upgrade. Doesn't really detail his "custom" exhaust work, or to what extent that entails. Also, suffice to say, him running 10.5" wide rims at all four corners isn't helping.
He also goes onto compare the F150 (which as we all know, has different/hardened internals, as well as different, larger turbos) so to compare what an F150 is doing, to a SHO, isn't necessarily appropriate either.
Has the OP run his SHO at the track with the mods currently installed? If not, should do so.
This will give him at least a baseline to work from, and a reasonable target range of times to head towards.
I would say simply slapping on the ATP's, and then adjusting the tune file to take advantage of them, he would really be testing the limitations of the SHO's internals. At least to the degree of expecting any longevity out of it.
Also, without any supporting fuels mods, and me being generous.....
I would
really be surprised if he were to eek out a 12.2 at best.
To answer your boost question though AJ......
Daily Driver Tune File (400awhp) = 18lbs
Stage 1 Track File (525awhp) = 22lbs
Stage 2 Track File (617awhp) = 26lbs
And yes to the Methanol. 100%. No watering it down / diluting it.
If only we could achieve McLaren 650s type performance with the SHO ... :D It takes time & money, like everything else. Until the SHO goes full aluminum bodied, I don't see that really happening at a reasonable cost. EPA & Insurance being just 2 of the reasons.
Quote from: SHOdded on May 15, 2016, 11:32:46 AM
If only we could achieve McLaren 650s type performance with the SHO ... :D It takes time & money, like everything else. Until the SHO goes full aluminum bodied, I don't see that really happening at a reasonable cost. EPA & Insurance being just 2 of the reasons.
Agree... Aluminum would cut the weight by 1000lbs. I bet... But alas I'm pretty sure the US Taurus is being discontinued. Also, don't confuse the 3.5TT GDI in the 650S or the '17 Ford GT with the ones in our SHOs... I get the trade news, and it is a very different engine despite displacement...
Agreed! But I would like to hand the GT and the 650S their respective behinds with a SHO :D
Quote from: SHOdded on May 15, 2016, 04:23:50 PM
Agreed! But I would like to hand the GT and the 650S their respective behinds with a SHO :D
LOL... Me to! But I can have a second SHO for the cost of the phase 2 3.5TT! We can dream though...
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on May 14, 2016, 04:09:57 PM
Is maintaining warranty plausibility important?
Meth makes that really difficult.
Doesn't having a tune ruin same parts of warranty?
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No meth.....good luck proving my car was tuned.
Meth....good luck proving your car isn't tuned.
Say you removed the meth kit when something failed and returned the car back to stock.
Does it leave residue behind in the intake manifold?
Quote from: zach_435 on May 17, 2016, 02:38:34 PM
Say you removed the meth kit when something failed and returned the car back to stock.
Does it leave residue behind in the intake manifold?
If you consider shiny valves residue, yes but its not anything they can use against you.
Fuel has small amounts of meth in it already so there's plausible deniability.
Quote from: bpd1151 on May 15, 2016, 10:41:05 AM
Quote from: AJP turbo on May 15, 2016, 10:14:05 AM[b
Looking at the OP's signature, I see he has some supporting hardware to compliment a potential turbo upgrade. Doesn't really detail his "custom" exhaust work, or to what extent that entails. Also, suffice to say, him running 10.5" wide rims at all four corners isn't helping.
He also goes onto compare the F150 (which as we all know, has different/hardened internals, as well as different, larger turbos) so to compare what an F150 is doing, to a SHO, isn't necessarily appropriate either.
Has the OP run his SHO at the track with the mods currently installed? If not, should do so.
This will give him at least a baseline to work from, and a reasonable target range of times to head towards.
I would say simply slapping on the ATP's, and then adjusting the tune file to take advantage of them, he would really be testing the limitations of the SHO's internals. At least to the degree of expecting any longevity out of it.
Also, without any supporting fuels mods, and me being generous.....
I would really be surprised if he were to eek out a 12.2 at best.
BDP I have not run the car at the track yet but i am heading to my local track tomorrow afternoon to get some before the new mod/mods times. And i will post them up tomorrow night.
You also have to consider that i am the first 13+ PP to have track times with the coilovers.
The 10.5 could possibly hurt but i think they could also benefit me by keeping traction on the front tires.
When i post the times i would like your input on what you think can be expected by solely doing the ATP upgrade with no additional mods then what i have now.
And for the f150 i stated that because the truck weighs 1000 more pounds then the Taurus so even making a little less power the weight and gearing of the car should help that my times i would think
time slips from last night it was roughly 75 degrees and a little bit humid when i made these two passes but when i got there around 6 it was in the 90s.
i also had a three hour drive to the track in the heat im not sure if this could have affected my times
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Ouch...must need driver mod...temps were not that bad
driver mod? not much driver mod needed with and automatic.
if your referring to my reaction time i was launching after the light on purpose.
Reaction time has no bearing on ET...driver mod needed
please explain what i could have possibly done different lol
I dont know.....did you have advancetrac off!...just seems slow
yeah of course i did.
I also tried regular drive mode, sport mode, and sst my fastest time was achived in regular sport mode.
The car seems to be falling off from second to third almost like it would slip the transmission. I sent torrie my data logs so hopefully he will see what was going on.
my tires would barley chirp on the launch so i wasn't getting tire spin and i have decent 60 fts.
Im also on the stock exhaust.
but i agree i was expecting to be in the 12s
Your 60s are actually a bit better than mine but your numbers fall short after that. Torrie will tweak it.
Zach Definitely need to get her dialed in,is this with a 93 octane tune? check to see if your plugs are gapped per tuners spec's preferably 0.028-0.030,not sure if you have a 170 stat installed but should help a bit in hot weather,also did you remove the engine cover?Preferably 1/4 of gas in the tank? no worries after a few revisions from Torrie you should definitely see some better numbers,BTW might have to move this Topic. Z :)
this is on a 91 tune.
But i was noticing that too when i look at other members time slips that my 60fts are showing on peoples slips that are in the higher 12s hopefully with the revised tune torrie just sent me it will do better.
And DA about the time i did these 2 runs was 1434
I've never been down the track in any EB car, but I'd say your ET looks pretty darn good for your MPH. ET is driver. MPH is vehicle.
A 93 tune should make a fair amount of difference.
Quote from: sholxgt on May 19, 2016, 04:40:53 PM
I've never been down the track in any EB car, but I'd say your ET looks pretty darn good for your MPH. ET is driver. MPH is vehicle.
A 93 tune should make a fair amount of difference.
My point exactly
a 1.8 60' and AJP is saying a driver mod :headscratch:
91 doesn't help and Torrie seems to be very conservative on his 91 tunes. Some more revisions with him will get you into the 12's
Quote from: 92BlackGT on May 20, 2016, 02:06:49 AM
a 1.8 60' and AJP is saying a driver mod :headscratch:
91 doesn't help and Torrie seems to be very conservative on his 91 tunes. Some more revisions with him will get you into the 12's
Yes, I see 12s in Zach's future. I have no real experience with Torrie, but based on what I see on Facebook and other forums, he can review a log, send a revision and it will have a dramatically positive impact on the times.
Quote from: Brucelinc on May 20, 2016, 09:09:28 AM
Quote from: 92BlackGT on May 20, 2016, 02:06:49 AM
a 1.8 60' and AJP is saying a driver mod :headscratch:
91 doesn't help and Torrie seems to be very conservative on his 91 tunes. Some more revisions with him will get you into the 12's
Yes, I see 12s in Zach's future. I have no real experience with Torrie, but based on what I see on Facebook and other forums, he can review a log, send a revision and it will have a dramatically positive impact on the times.
Crystal Ball!!lol :D Heres a good thread to give you some insight. http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,1239.0.html (http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,1239.0.html) Z
FYI please continue to use Drag times pertaining to "Time slip's" for the time being,thanks. Z :) http://www.dragtimes.com/Ford-Taurus-Timeslip-26506.html (http://www.dragtimes.com/Ford-Taurus-Timeslip-26506.html)
I say driver mod everytime someone has a slow time
Torrie sent me a revised tune and man was it a difference.
Cant wait to take it to the track again.
Hopefully ill have a driver mod that day lol
Quote from: zach_435 on May 20, 2016, 02:02:54 PM
Torrie sent me a revised tune and man was it a difference.
Cant wait to take it to the track again.
Hopefully ill have a driver mod that day lol
Alright lol....wear your race boots.
Post a log if you want...maybe i can tell you what i see in relation to others....and if i recall you selected a tire that was shorter than stock so you should have a nice mechanical advantage from gear multiplication that i would think could help more than others
here is my latest log with the revised tune.
Quote from: zach_435 on May 20, 2016, 02:54:10 PM
here is my latest log with the revised tune.
Well dammit, im at work now...will look tonight....
So this is for the newest tune or the tune that ran the dissappointing time?
And i may be able to be more descriptive if you have a log from the previous tune for direct comparison
that was for the new tune
Here is one from later in the day with disappointing time
The first tune really needed tweaked.....Your throttle never stayed open very long and was cutting in and out on you. And boost was way down. Way below 3 bar tune levels...That's basically the problem.
On the newest tune, the throttle was open and under control but only slightly more boost was being commanded....See desired TIP. 206 KPA is about 15 psi and that's the typical 3 bar tune commanded boost with the exception of boost spikes at the upshift. And you are well below that.
You have some knock retard but I wouldn't worry about it...Don't think I saw more than about 3 degrees....But you can have knock retard even if you were not commanding boost at all....It's simply trying to run max spark at any and all loads. So that's why you typically see knock retard.
I could make a tune that I can almost guarantee zero knock retard, and I think some of you may like seeing that but you wouldn't like seeing people's tail lights either .
Let Torrie send you more revisions and you will get better results at the track....You need more boost, it will come