Sorry but I'm calling you guys out. You may not like this but I'm going to do it anyway.
I run my car pretty ragged at times. And you can see my sig below, I push it pretty hard. I've been reading here since I've joined about people saying how they have traction problems and spin a lot when they nail it from a dig. Even at a drag strip with a prepped track no less. Even with snow tires on, which suck, I nail it and hit 15-16 PSI in 1st gear and I will squeal all through 1st but to say I'm breaking free or spinning is wrong. I'm pulling very hard and wouldn't say I've blown a start or could've done better if I wasn't spinning. I think you all are mis-interpreting howling and barking tires as lighting up the tires.
I've watched your drag races and the people saying they have traction problems that are squealing are actually having really good starts. When they are howling you are just on the edge of the tires traction and that's right where you want to be.
Drive a 500-700HP mustang with street tires and then tell me about traction problems. I cannot light up the tires in the SHO at 16psi and snow tires on the street...Are you all rolling through the water box at the drag strip? You should drive around the water...If you hear howling stay in it, it's all good
I was at the track watching from 5 ft away as SHO after SHO spun the tires. I mean no grip at times. Somehow I've been able to nail some great 60's with the hated stock RSA'S.
Rich
Have any 60' times AJ?
Rich
Ned some times and videos for analysis, AJ :) Plus a dyno or something to see how much power/tq you are putting down.
Quote from: SHOdded on March 09, 2015, 06:39:36 AM
Ned some times and videos for analysis, AJ :) Plus a dyno or something to see how much power/tq you are putting down.
All in due time..just waiting on the weather..trust me the power is there...from what I see u guys are pulling 1.7x-1.9 60'...not gonna really get any better than that with a stock converter...u just can't get the Rpm up high enough ...I was watching all the drag racing on the thread that was recently started and didn't see much spinning
http://youtu.be/9vjt_VT1Dbw
Closest one was spinning bad
Rich
Well. I get traction in my Xsport. But the front of my car JERKS HARD during some gear shifts (Like to the right or left)
Makes me laugh at the "All wheel drive" I was sold on. Why bother putting 4% of the power to the rear-- call it what it is.
EDIT: Watched that video- we might need to discuss your definition of 'spinning bad'.
Hard to tell in video...Notice car on right is way behind other...in person the tires were spinning so bad they didn't make noise.
Rich
I start to say "he had a horrible launch" at end of video. Don't think he was lowering tire pressure though.
Rich
I'll get what AJ mentioned above, a tire screaming as it eats of pavement...like on the edge of breaking loose, but not
Rich
If I launch the car depicted in my profile picture on street tires it will peg my RPMs because it's roasting the tires-- and I go no where but spend 1k on new rears. THAT'S no traction.
Spinning crappy stock tires that you haven't lowered the PSI on -- or you're just dumping the throttle down and roasting it on purpose... lol
This looks like something that can be fixed by launching differently, rolling into the throttle differently... lower psi... etc etc etc
Quote from: Jtrain on March 09, 2015, 10:59:51 AM
If I launch the car depicted in my profile picture on street tires it will peg my RPMs because it's roasting the tires-- and I go no where but spend 1k on new rears. THAT'S no traction.
Spinning crappy stock tires that you haven't lowered the PSI on -- or you're just dumping the throttle down and roasting it on purpose... lol
This looks like something that can be fixed by launching differently, rolling into the throttle differently... lower psi... etc etc etc
Well obviously...its a turbo g35 right?..of course it will roast them
Not sure how your SHo's let you spin the tires. Mine will start to spin them for about 2 seconds and then falls flat on its face. (all the power goes away until traction is gained) Yes this is all happening with Traction control off. I do like the 2nd gear bark tho lol
I gotta say, the times I have read of people spinning their wheels I always thought my car must be seriously under powered. While Im no expert but I think it actual drag racing you want the car to be on the edge of the tires breaking free. Regardless of street tires or drag radials. If all four wheels spun once in complete revolution then the car hooked up, to me thats a GREAT launch. And the AWD SHO does that consistently. I have yet to see any video of any SHO actually smoking the tires. Even slightly spinning tires trying to do so only gets maybe 10 feet of wheel spin. Some can't remember who, did get the wheels to break loose a little but you would never get it past the length of the car. If so, then you must have that 600 plus hp Ford GT motor. And some hello reprogramming of the AWD system.
Just my .02 cents.
Where's my change? lol
I do not think a sho would be able to roll smoke simply because it's traction control system is to hasty.
Only traction issues I have are the 1-2 shift, it struggles to figure out what it wants to do. Guess we can call it a mid shift crisis... hah.
If I disable "advance-trac" ie. put the car in sport-mode with the gear selector in "S", I will generate wheel spin sufficient enough to generate the "Service Advance-Trac Soon" warning complete with associated codes which have to be cleared.
I have done this enough times to know I cannot use the the gear selector "S" at the strip, no 2 ways about it. The exact same thing would happen with my 2011.
Mid shift crisis....haha, that's a good one
Rich
I'd like to chime in and say the same goes for the Explorer Sport. No way to spin the tires without losing all the power, regardless of whether traction control is on or not, its just as ElvenSho said, it would fall on its face as I've had this happen if trying to brake boost much past 2k. Either go before the tires break loose, or call it a day
I'm talking about with the traction control disabled and the Stabilitrakdisabled
All we have in the X is traction control
Quote from: ajpturbo on March 09, 2015, 05:57:22 PM
I'm talking about with the traction control disabled and the Stabilitrakdisabled
how do you disable I completely?
Quote from: Airbornemaikai on March 09, 2015, 06:48:05 PM
All we have in the X is traction control
same here, I turn it off but its never truly off. Maybe Torrie can disable it but then I doubt I could ever have it on.
After a while of owning one of these cars it's clear they aren't 'sports cars'. They're Fords (Which is okay!) with nice motors and we're pushing them farther than they probably should go.
1st to 2nd is definitely a lack of throttle body and line pressure...acceptance? Just wasn't built for Launching @ 2k RPMS and quickly slamming into 2nd at full load.
When your first set of tires die-- Don't go to the dealership and get bent over for the same garbage rubber. Do your research and get a better, sportier compound. I know on my Xport- That's my least favorite thing, The drive-train system is a close 2nd.
I think ya'll would be shocked what would happen on the strip with some better rubber. (Even just street rubber)
That also being said. I spent 300$ total on Slicks for the G35, I got a 1.5 60' with a 5AT (at the time) Transmission-- There's NOTHING like getting off the line like that (was 425whp at the time)
Quote from: ElvenSho on March 09, 2015, 06:54:04 PM
Quote from: Airbornemaikai on March 09, 2015, 06:48:05 PM
All we have in the X is traction control
same here, I turn it off but its never truly off. Maybe Torrie can disable it but then I doubt I could ever have it on.
Foot on brake and hold the traction button for a few seconds...I think the non PP guys are out of lock for that feature....I think the it can be defeated though in the tune but not sure about that. I have options in my strategy for traction control but I may only have those options because of the particular strategy. A different strategy may have more or less scalars within the tune
Quote from: ElvenSho on March 09, 2015, 06:54:04 PM
Quote from: Airbornemaikai on March 09, 2015, 06:48:05 PM
All we have in the X is traction control
same here, I turn it off but its never truly off. Maybe Torrie can disable it but then I doubt I could ever have it on.
Torrie wasn't keen on doing that for me, seems to think there's some serious issues with it-- That was a few months ago though.
Quote from: Jtrain on March 09, 2015, 07:03:18 PM
1st to 2nd is definitely a lack of throttle body and line pressure...acceptance? Just wasn't built for Launching @ 2k RPMS and quickly slamming into 2nd at full load.
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What do you mean? I think mine shifts into 2nd pretty damn fast...The tuning ability in these new automatics and what they are capable of anymore is incredible to me.
After seeing what these engines are capable of I don't think were pushing these things all that hard. I did however get a better set of tires last year after having to replace them due to a huge nail in the sidewall of one of them. I went with the yokos prada spec xs
Quote from: ElvenSho on March 09, 2015, 06:51:26 PM
how do you disable I completely?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IutZ2sGyOUo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IutZ2sGyOUo)
Quote from: Dxlnt1 on March 09, 2015, 07:29:41 PM
Quote from: ElvenSho on March 09, 2015, 06:51:26 PM
how do you disable I completely?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IutZ2sGyOUo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IutZ2sGyOUo)
I think this is for pp sho's/
Quote from: ElvenSho on March 09, 2015, 07:48:09 PM
Quote from: Dxlnt1 on March 09, 2015, 07:29:41 PM
Quote from: ElvenSho on March 09, 2015, 06:51:26 PM
how do you disable I completely?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IutZ2sGyOUo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IutZ2sGyOUo)
I think this is for pp sho's/
I think it's doo-doo
Quote from: ElvenSho on March 09, 2015, 07:48:09 PM
Quote from: Dxlnt1 on March 09, 2015, 07:29:41 PM
Quote from: ElvenSho on March 09, 2015, 06:51:26 PM
how do you disable I completely?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IutZ2sGyOUo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IutZ2sGyOUo)
I think this is for pp sho's/
Like I said....No PP no fun
Quote from: ajpturbo on March 09, 2015, 08:27:30 PM
Like I said....No PP no fun
Different strokes.... that's all. No dis intended
Non PP...3 bar tune....stock wheels....12.54.....lots a fun....just sayin. ;D
Rich
I guess with the 3.16 gear ratio that the PP has,we might have the edge in the quarter mile,but unfortunetly after that the non PP has us BEAT.
I took my 2 kids plus four of their friends to Big Bear this weekend in the E Sport. No I didn't calculate mileage but heavy footed with a 21CuFt Thule top box I'm sure it was pretty bad. Anyway since we were there to play in the snow I did find some nice 18" thick patches, put the Sport in Sand/Manual (where is has remained for 40K miles BTW) and did some snow drifting :)) It spun effortlessly and threw up tons of snow, I didn't feel any kind of anti-spin intervention from the powertrain management? Even second gear was uninhibited.
It will be nice to show a little bit of sportsmanship to one and another and respect,thats what matters to me the most,besides how fast i can cross the finishing line and get my hands on that lottery ticket.
Quote from: ZSHO on March 09, 2015, 09:37:48 PM
I guess with the 3.16 gear ratio that the PP has,we might have the edge in the quarter mile,but unfortunetly after that the non PP has us BEAT.
I think there is a 0-60 advantage for PP, by the quarter its even, and non pp at the top.
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on March 09, 2015, 10:49:05 PM
Quote from: ZSHO on March 09, 2015, 09:37:48 PM
I guess with the 3.16 gear ratio that the PP has,we might have the edge in the quarter mile,but unfortunetly after that the non PP has us BEAT.
I think there is a 0-60 advantage for PP, by the quarter its even, and non pp at the top.
I believe FoMoCo is correct... but that's stock, and few of us stay there... many factors involved starting with the DA...
My 0-60 is 4.0 +/- 0.1 depending on a lot of factors including pilot error, LOL... I'm rocking' it.
Sounds like PP and non PP are both pretty fun. ;)
Rich
Quote from: SHOnUup on March 09, 2015, 11:10:48 PM
Sounds like PP and non PP are both pretty fun. ;)
Rich
Yup, but i wish I would have gotten PP for the beefier parts.
And I
really like that alcantara steering wheel.
Quote from: SHOnUup on March 09, 2015, 11:10:48 PM
Sounds like PP and non PP are both pretty fun. ;)
Rich
You bet.. pick you flavor!
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on March 09, 2015, 11:24:22 PM
Quote from: SHOnUup on March 09, 2015, 11:10:48 PM
Sounds like PP and non PP are both pretty fun. ;)
Rich
Yup, but i wish I would have gotten PP for the beefier parts.
And I really like that alcantara steering wheel.
Know what you mean FoMoCo... but I use adaptive cruise daily... I wanted a comfortable, quick, DD that was a comfortable quiet road car without spending $100K... I got it.
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on March 09, 2015, 11:24:22 PM
Quote from: SHOnUup on March 09, 2015, 11:10:48 PM
Sounds like PP and non PP are both pretty fun. ;)
Rich
Yup, but i wish I would have gotten PP for the beefier parts.
And I really like that alcantara steering wheel.
Yes...oil & ptu coolers...13+ have better brakes too, the list of mods(needs) doesn't seem to shrink when you cross one off. Always another to take its place.
Rich
Another reason i went with the SHO... i can afford to mod it because i'm not a total slave to the payment!
Quote from: BiGMaC on March 09, 2015, 11:33:39 PM
Another reason i went with the SHO... i can afford to mod it because i'm not a total slave to the payment!
So true, I stacked D-plan on top of a fat rebate coupled with 0% financing.
This is the first car I've ever owned I didn't regret making that payment every month.
I smile every time I click the make payment button.
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on March 09, 2015, 11:24:22 PM
Quote from: SHOnUup on March 09, 2015, 11:10:48 PM
Sounds like PP and non PP are both pretty fun. ;)
Rich
Yup, but i wish I would have gotten PP for the beefier parts.
And I really like that alcantara steering wheel.
I had the non pp and two weeks later purchased the PP SHO,both are fun to drive,but if you live in N.Y,you better hold on to that cup of coffee real good,the PP steering wheel is nice but question the durability.
Rub it in, lol....
Quote from: ZSHO on March 10, 2015, 08:59:08 AM
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on March 09, 2015, 11:24:22 PM
Quote from: SHOnUup on March 09, 2015, 11:10:48 PM
Sounds like PP and non PP are both pretty fun. ;)
Rich
Yup, but i wish I would have gotten PP for the beefier parts.
And I really like that alcantara steering wheel.
I had the non pp and two weeks later purchased the PP SHO,both are fun to drive,but if you live in N.Y,you better hold on to that cup of coffee real good,the PP steering wheel is nice but question the durability.
Z... I love the look, but worry about staining just from normal skin oils and routine dirty hands as well as durability... The grip must be considerably improved over plain leather however.
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on March 10, 2015, 09:13:26 AM
Rub it in, lol....
Actually that was a great idea,have to purchase some suede conditioner,thanks.
Quote from: BiGMaC on March 10, 2015, 09:16:28 AM
Quote from: ZSHO on March 10, 2015, 08:59:08 AM
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on March 09, 2015, 11:24:22 PM
Quote from: SHOnUup on March 09, 2015, 11:10:48 PM
Sounds like PP and non PP are both pretty fun. ;)
Rich
Yup, but i wish I would have gotten PP for the beefier parts.
And I really like that alcantara steering wheel.
I had the non pp and two weeks later purchased the PP SHO,both are fun to drive,but if you live in N.Y,you better hold on to that cup of coffee real good,the PP steering wheel is nice but question the durability.
Z... I love the look, but worry about staining just from normal skin oils and routine dirty hands as well as durability... The grip must be considerably improved over plain leather however.
Thanks Tom,the grip is definetly better and let me just finish by saying that before we get commented about being off topic,the durability is a key factor and thanks to FoMoCoSHO IDEA,need to get some conditioner/cleaner.
http://vid449.photobucket.com/albums/qq213/ajpturbopittsburgh/Video.mp4 (http://vid449.photobucket.com/albums/qq213/ajpturbopittsburgh/Video.mp4)
http://vid449.photobucket.com/albums/qq213/ajpturbopittsburgh/IMG_0571.mp4 (http://vid449.photobucket.com/albums/qq213/ajpturbopittsburgh/IMG_0571.mp4)
Here is a couple vids...They are crappy but it's all I have for now...I was messing around. I lowered my boost a little too much by accident but some people were thinking maybe I was making less power by having the boost too high at near 20
What it the gauge on the right?
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on March 10, 2015, 08:09:52 PM
What it the gauge on the right?
Analog wideband....I'm starting to like it....I've always had a digital display wideband....But didn't want that in this car so I thought I'd try one...And easy to read because I'm just looking for the needle to head toward 11
Quote from: ajpturbo on March 10, 2015, 08:15:00 PM
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on March 10, 2015, 08:09:52 PM
What it the gauge on the right?
Analog wideband....I'm starting to like it....I've always had a digital display wideband....But didn't want that in this car so I thought I'd try one...And easy to read because I'm just looking for the needle to head toward 11
I've got one of Crash's triple setups (thanks Crash!) and I'm trying to figure out what gauges I want. And I agree with your needle assessment which is why I changed my Torque layout.
Crash made mine as well!..It's a sweet piece for sure...I didn't want 3 gauges in this car
Fomo did you catch my little rich tip in? And the full lean on decel too..I'm fine with the rich tip in, it's not terrible and having the opposite in a lean tip in would cause stumbling or preignition being even worse...The downside is lower fuel economy with a rich tip in...But I've seen tuners chase it for a while if you try to get it perfect.
Ya... love the gauge pod crash made for me... going three gauges... just still deciding. Might be fun to have one be a Ford Racing DPic gauge to display access, decal, and lateral G's for a grin.
Quote from: BiGMaC on March 10, 2015, 09:02:50 PM
Ya... love the gauge pod crash made for me... going three gauges... just still deciding. Might be fun to have one be a Ford Racing DPic gauge to display access, decal, and lateral G's for a grin.
I assume that Ford gauge uses the OBD port?
Quote from: ajpturbo on March 10, 2015, 08:21:29 PM
Crash made mine as well!..It's a sweet piece for sure...I didn't want 3 gauges in this car
Fomo did you catch my little rich tip in? And the full lean on decel too..I'm fine with the rich tip in, it's not terrible and having the opposite in a lean tip in would cause stumbling or preignition being even worse...The downside is lower fuel economy with a rich tip in...But I've seen tuners chase it for a while if you try to get it perfect.
Yup, your car behaves just like mine. I'm sure the MPG loss for safety is negligible. I wonder if time in decel determines the tip in spray rate. It's anywhere between .8-.9 lambda...
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on March 10, 2015, 10:09:48 PM
Quote from: BiGMaC on March 10, 2015, 09:02:50 PM
Ya... love the gauge pod crash made for me... going three gauges... just still deciding. Might be fun to have one be a Ford Racing DPic gauge to display access, decal, and lateral G's for a grin.
I assume that Ford gauge uses the OBD port?
I honesty don't know... but it must... of course even my phone has a G meter (accelerometer).