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Started by TopherSho, June 04, 2019, 06:04:51 PM

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TopherSho

Has anyone observed BRAND or VISCOSITY of oil affecting spark stability at high rpm?

Im back to full meth+tune, IE back to the state i was prior to #2 injector flooding/wrecking my block.  But i am seeing in third gear where it holds rpm longer +1 knock where i did not before.  Im on the same plugs .. same fueling station but i have changed oil vendors to oil can Henry's synthetic Valvoline.

it 'could be gas'  but i have doubts,  but the oil brand switch is major and suspect in my head... buuuut i defer to wiser folks... thoughts?
2010 non-pp, 98k miles, 3-bar,  .026 plugs, SNOW-KIT STG1, AJPTurbu tune#35, 15.5+psi
Best 0-60 public road 4.35s
Best 1/4 of 12.61 no DA correction

SHOdded

Which oil were you using before?  If the viscosity is correct, hard to imagine the oil causing the knock, particularly Valvoline.
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If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

802SHO

#2
I've always used sp534 plugs at .028.. Without issue but step colder plugs really should be used in your application with more boost and meth.  Again I haven't had issues with said plugs but bc they are inferior I switched to sp542 plugs at .028.  For whatever it's worth bc I also run meth in my 2010 non PP, I've had no issues with Royal Purple 5w-20.  Mostly made the switch after seeing a video of knock occurring with tuned SHO with sp534....then same tuned SHO with sp542...knock gone!

https://youtu.be/Zqz8AdJMxTY

What you decide to do is entirely up to you. 
IG @802SHO 2010 SHO non PP, Tuned by AJP Turbo, 109 Octane + VP C85 for E30, Ported GH Gen 3 upgraded turbos, Ported 13+ Exhaust Manifolds, Custom FM IC TreadStone TR10C, EPP Hot Pipes, EPP Dual CAI, XDI35 HPFP, Deatschwerks 300C LPFP, Alky Control Methonal Injection, Alky dual nozzle upgrade, Zex Nitrous dual dry shots, Dicunzolo Gen2 torque mounts, MSD Coils, SP542 .026, 160 T, 3bar, Phenolic Spacer, Braille Lightweight Battery, Kirky Lightweight Racing Driver Seat, Catless Downpipes, custom stainless 2.5" double xpipe w/muffler deletes 4" quad tips, UPR Dual Valve Catch Can, 13+ PP Trans Cooler, Econoaid throttle Body Booster, Bravado Tribute 20x9.5 + 32 offset Wheels, Nitto NT555R Front Tires, Continental Extreme Contact DW Rear Tires and all are 275/35/20, H&R Springs all around w/rear cut 1/2", 1" hubcentric wheel spacers m14 1.5 stud/lug conversion, R1 Concepts Geomet slotted/drilled rotors with Heavy Duty Semi Metallic pads, Aeroforce Interceptor Gauge.
Currently World's Fastest Ecoboost SHO
11.063 @ 123.17 MPH!  NED 10/10/20

ZSHO

#3
FWIW I would also question the quality of the Meth!
New Tune,would give it some time to relearn the Trans adaptives. Z


2013 Performance Package SHO| Livernois Custom Methanol Tune|3-Bar Map|Reische-170-Stat|Full Race Tial-10psi BOV in Black|PPE-Gloss Black Hot Pipes|EPP Dual Intake in Gloss Black|PPE Catted DP|Corsa Sport Cat Back Exhaust|H&R Sport-Springs|CFM Performance Billet Valve Cover Breather In Gloss Black|Llumar 20%Ceramic window Tint|MSD Ignition Coils in Black|Extreme Roof Spoiler|Redline Fluids all around|Gearhead Intercooler|First-SHO With Direct Port Alky-VP-M1-100%-Methanol Injection|LMS-Custom-Dyno-Tuned @ 415whp-465wtq| Best Trap Speed of 115.54 mph|

TopherSho

ugh i know its the plugs in my dark muttering heart... but i hate doing plugs on this car.  I think the Meth is good its a new can and i run 100% only. i will change gas stations and reevaluate.
2010 non-pp, 98k miles, 3-bar,  .026 plugs, SNOW-KIT STG1, AJPTurbu tune#35, 15.5+psi
Best 0-60 public road 4.35s
Best 1/4 of 12.61 no DA correction

SM105K

Quote from: TopherSho on June 05, 2019, 10:04:39 AM
ugh i know its the plugs in my dark muttering heart... but i hate doing plugs on this car.  I think the Meth is good its a new can and i run 100% only. i will change gas stations and reevaluate.

Dude, plugs are easy.  Get a swivel extension. Makes life so much easier.
"M" 2013 SHO PP | AJPTurbo E30 Tune | FS HPFP | Stock IC with Ice Water DIY Sprayer | PPE Downpipes | Custom Magnaflow Resonator | 3rd Cat Delete | Derale Upgraded Trans Cooler | Dicunzolo Gen2 Trans Mounts| EPP Noisemaker Eliminator | MSD Coil Over Plugs | SP-542's | UPR Dual Valve Catch Can | K&N Drop In | Power Stop Slotted and Drilled Rotors with Stock PP Pads | H&R Springs  | AVS Flush Deflector | 802SHO Custom Splitter | Duraflex Chin Spoiler | Curva Concept C7's | Continental DWS06 Extreme Contact Rubber | 411 HP and 546 TQ |

"The Fukus" 2013 Focus ST | Boomba BOV | FSWerks Short Shifter | Power Stop Brakes | Continental DWS06 Extreme Contact Rubber |

shoNoff

Im getting a touch of knock up top. I'm suspecting it's the plugs too. I'm gonna try swapping in the sp542's this weekend.
2013 SHO PP 12.51 @ 110.07 AJP tuned sold
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802SHO

Quote from: SM105K on June 05, 2019, 10:28:45 AM
Quote from: TopherSho on June 05, 2019, 10:04:39 AM
ugh i know its the plugs in my dark muttering heart... but i hate doing plugs on this car.  I think the Meth is good its a new can and i run 100% only. i will change gas stations and reevaluate.

Dude, plugs are easy.  Get a swivel extension. Makes life so much easier.

After doing it once without a swivel...bought a swivel and so much better...but those back 3 still a pain...but anything is compared to the easy front!  I take my rear blow off valve off
IG @802SHO 2010 SHO non PP, Tuned by AJP Turbo, 109 Octane + VP C85 for E30, Ported GH Gen 3 upgraded turbos, Ported 13+ Exhaust Manifolds, Custom FM IC TreadStone TR10C, EPP Hot Pipes, EPP Dual CAI, XDI35 HPFP, Deatschwerks 300C LPFP, Alky Control Methonal Injection, Alky dual nozzle upgrade, Zex Nitrous dual dry shots, Dicunzolo Gen2 torque mounts, MSD Coils, SP542 .026, 160 T, 3bar, Phenolic Spacer, Braille Lightweight Battery, Kirky Lightweight Racing Driver Seat, Catless Downpipes, custom stainless 2.5" double xpipe w/muffler deletes 4" quad tips, UPR Dual Valve Catch Can, 13+ PP Trans Cooler, Econoaid throttle Body Booster, Bravado Tribute 20x9.5 + 32 offset Wheels, Nitto NT555R Front Tires, Continental Extreme Contact DW Rear Tires and all are 275/35/20, H&R Springs all around w/rear cut 1/2", 1" hubcentric wheel spacers m14 1.5 stud/lug conversion, R1 Concepts Geomet slotted/drilled rotors with Heavy Duty Semi Metallic pads, Aeroforce Interceptor Gauge.
Currently World's Fastest Ecoboost SHO
11.063 @ 123.17 MPH!  NED 10/10/20

TopherSho

i have big hands, so those back three just suck... :(  i have the 542's but there .30 gapped.  My best spark was the irridum's from ngk,  i had amazing spark back then.  but the damn things lasted literally 12,000 miles and the tips ate off. >:(
2010 non-pp, 98k miles, 3-bar,  .026 plugs, SNOW-KIT STG1, AJPTurbu tune#35, 15.5+psi
Best 0-60 public road 4.35s
Best 1/4 of 12.61 no DA correction

802SHO

Quote from: TopherSho on June 05, 2019, 10:43:02 AM
i have big hands, so those back three just suck... :(  i have the 542's but there .30 gapped.  My best spark was the irridum's from ngk,  i had amazing spark back then.  but the damn things lasted literally 12,000 miles and the tips ate off. >:(

Damn!  If you have the 542s Idk...does spark gap from .028 to .030 make so much of a difference ?  I'm not a gaptologist so maybe someone else can chime in
IG @802SHO 2010 SHO non PP, Tuned by AJP Turbo, 109 Octane + VP C85 for E30, Ported GH Gen 3 upgraded turbos, Ported 13+ Exhaust Manifolds, Custom FM IC TreadStone TR10C, EPP Hot Pipes, EPP Dual CAI, XDI35 HPFP, Deatschwerks 300C LPFP, Alky Control Methonal Injection, Alky dual nozzle upgrade, Zex Nitrous dual dry shots, Dicunzolo Gen2 torque mounts, MSD Coils, SP542 .026, 160 T, 3bar, Phenolic Spacer, Braille Lightweight Battery, Kirky Lightweight Racing Driver Seat, Catless Downpipes, custom stainless 2.5" double xpipe w/muffler deletes 4" quad tips, UPR Dual Valve Catch Can, 13+ PP Trans Cooler, Econoaid throttle Body Booster, Bravado Tribute 20x9.5 + 32 offset Wheels, Nitto NT555R Front Tires, Continental Extreme Contact DW Rear Tires and all are 275/35/20, H&R Springs all around w/rear cut 1/2", 1" hubcentric wheel spacers m14 1.5 stud/lug conversion, R1 Concepts Geomet slotted/drilled rotors with Heavy Duty Semi Metallic pads, Aeroforce Interceptor Gauge.
Currently World's Fastest Ecoboost SHO
11.063 @ 123.17 MPH!  NED 10/10/20

SM105K

Quote from: 802SHO on June 05, 2019, 10:45:43 AM
Quote from: TopherSho on June 05, 2019, 10:43:02 AM
i have big hands, so those back three just suck... :(  i have the 542's but there .30 gapped.  My best spark was the irridum's from ngk,  i had amazing spark back then.  but the damn things lasted literally 12,000 miles and the tips ate off. >:(

Damn!  If you have the 542s Idk...does spark gap from .028 to .030 make so much of a difference ?  I'm not a gaptologist so maybe someone else can chime in

From what I know these cars really don't have spark blow out issues.  I think meth is killing the tips. Meth is extremely corrosive.
"M" 2013 SHO PP | AJPTurbo E30 Tune | FS HPFP | Stock IC with Ice Water DIY Sprayer | PPE Downpipes | Custom Magnaflow Resonator | 3rd Cat Delete | Derale Upgraded Trans Cooler | Dicunzolo Gen2 Trans Mounts| EPP Noisemaker Eliminator | MSD Coil Over Plugs | SP-542's | UPR Dual Valve Catch Can | K&N Drop In | Power Stop Slotted and Drilled Rotors with Stock PP Pads | H&R Springs  | AVS Flush Deflector | 802SHO Custom Splitter | Duraflex Chin Spoiler | Curva Concept C7's | Continental DWS06 Extreme Contact Rubber | 411 HP and 546 TQ |

"The Fukus" 2013 Focus ST | Boomba BOV | FSWerks Short Shifter | Power Stop Brakes | Continental DWS06 Extreme Contact Rubber |

TopherSho

on the old NGK's it was,  the last set of 542's lasted almost a year and i only replace them when the injector went bad and i was unsure if it was that or a head gasket ..
2010 non-pp, 98k miles, 3-bar,  .026 plugs, SNOW-KIT STG1, AJPTurbu tune#35, 15.5+psi
Best 0-60 public road 4.35s
Best 1/4 of 12.61 no DA correction

ZSHO

#12
Quote from: SM105K on June 05, 2019, 11:04:39 AM
Quote from: 802SHO on June 05, 2019, 10:45:43 AM
Quote from: TopherSho on June 05, 2019, 10:43:02 AM
i have big hands, so those back three just suck... :(  i have the 542's but there .30 gapped.  My best spark was the irridum's from ngk,  i had amazing spark back then.  but the damn things lasted literally 12,000 miles and the tips ate off. >:(

Damn!  If you have the 542s Idk...does spark gap from .028 to .030 make so much of a difference ?  I'm not a gaptologist so maybe someone else can chime in

From what I know these cars really don't have spark blow out issues.  I think meth is killing the tips. Meth is extremely corrosive.
Its the wideband 02's that take a beating! Spark blowout is sometimes in question,with sufficient Blow by! Z  :(


2013 Performance Package SHO| Livernois Custom Methanol Tune|3-Bar Map|Reische-170-Stat|Full Race Tial-10psi BOV in Black|PPE-Gloss Black Hot Pipes|EPP Dual Intake in Gloss Black|PPE Catted DP|Corsa Sport Cat Back Exhaust|H&R Sport-Springs|CFM Performance Billet Valve Cover Breather In Gloss Black|Llumar 20%Ceramic window Tint|MSD Ignition Coils in Black|Extreme Roof Spoiler|Redline Fluids all around|Gearhead Intercooler|First-SHO With Direct Port Alky-VP-M1-100%-Methanol Injection|LMS-Custom-Dyno-Tuned @ 415whp-465wtq| Best Trap Speed of 115.54 mph|

SM105K

Quote from: ZSHO on June 05, 2019, 12:21:58 PM
Quote from: SM105K on June 05, 2019, 11:04:39 AM
Quote from: 802SHO on June 05, 2019, 10:45:43 AM
Quote from: TopherSho on June 05, 2019, 10:43:02 AM
i have big hands, so those back three just suck... :(  i have the 542's but there .30 gapped.  My best spark was the irridum's from ngk,  i had amazing spark back then.  but the damn things lasted literally 12,000 miles and the tips ate off. >:(

Damn!  If you have the 542s Idk...does spark gap from .028 to .030 make so much of a difference ?  I'm not a gaptologist so maybe someone else can chime in

From what I know these cars really don't have spark blow out issues.  I think meth is killing the tips. Meth is extremely corrosive.
Its the wideband 02's that take a beating! Spark blowout is in question,with sufficient Blow by! Z   :(

While changing the wideband O2's my hands are what took the beating lol.
"M" 2013 SHO PP | AJPTurbo E30 Tune | FS HPFP | Stock IC with Ice Water DIY Sprayer | PPE Downpipes | Custom Magnaflow Resonator | 3rd Cat Delete | Derale Upgraded Trans Cooler | Dicunzolo Gen2 Trans Mounts| EPP Noisemaker Eliminator | MSD Coil Over Plugs | SP-542's | UPR Dual Valve Catch Can | K&N Drop In | Power Stop Slotted and Drilled Rotors with Stock PP Pads | H&R Springs  | AVS Flush Deflector | 802SHO Custom Splitter | Duraflex Chin Spoiler | Curva Concept C7's | Continental DWS06 Extreme Contact Rubber | 411 HP and 546 TQ |

"The Fukus" 2013 Focus ST | Boomba BOV | FSWerks Short Shifter | Power Stop Brakes | Continental DWS06 Extreme Contact Rubber |

ZSHO

#14
Quote from: SM105K on June 05, 2019, 12:28:13 PM
Quote from: ZSHO on June 05, 2019, 12:21:58 PM
Quote from: SM105K on June 05, 2019, 11:04:39 AM
Quote from: 802SHO on June 05, 2019, 10:45:43 AM
Quote from: TopherSho on June 05, 2019, 10:43:02 AM
i have big hands, so those back three just suck... :(  i have the 542's but there .30 gapped.  My best spark was the irridum's from ngk,  i had amazing spark back then.  but the damn things lasted literally 12,000 miles and the tips ate off. >:(

Damn!  If you have the 542s Idk...does spark gap from .028 to .030 make so much of a difference ?  I'm not a gaptologist so maybe someone else can chime in

From what I know these cars really don't have spark blow out issues.  I think meth is killing the tips. Meth is extremely corrosive.
Its the wideband 02's that take a beating! Spark blowout is in question,with sufficient Blow by! Z   :(

While changing the wideband O2's my hands are what took the beating lol.
I see why Tropher is so hesitant.! Lol. Z  :D


2013 Performance Package SHO| Livernois Custom Methanol Tune|3-Bar Map|Reische-170-Stat|Full Race Tial-10psi BOV in Black|PPE-Gloss Black Hot Pipes|EPP Dual Intake in Gloss Black|PPE Catted DP|Corsa Sport Cat Back Exhaust|H&R Sport-Springs|CFM Performance Billet Valve Cover Breather In Gloss Black|Llumar 20%Ceramic window Tint|MSD Ignition Coils in Black|Extreme Roof Spoiler|Redline Fluids all around|Gearhead Intercooler|First-SHO With Direct Port Alky-VP-M1-100%-Methanol Injection|LMS-Custom-Dyno-Tuned @ 415whp-465wtq| Best Trap Speed of 115.54 mph|