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Planned SHO build

Started by T.I.K., May 03, 2017, 03:34:25 AM

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StealBlueSho

Quote from: bpd1151 on May 03, 2017, 08:37:59 PM


Quote from: StealBlueSho on May 03, 2017, 07:48:09 PMBPD has pretty much all the stuff you listed and can't get all the power he can generate down to the wheels without blowing up the tranny... he is actually detuned running 11.9s cause of it...

FYI...

AHEM......    11.5's tyvm.

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My apologies.

bpd1151

Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on May 03, 2017, 09:02:46 PM
Quote from: T.I.K. on May 03, 2017, 08:41:51 PM

I'm not terribly interested in blowing trannys left and right


Phrasing!

LOL!
Oh my goodness..... now that was/is funny!

God knows there certainly seem to be more than a society's worth of them "interesting people" mulling around the globe. Ugh.

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Dxlnt1

2011 SHO, 3 Bar, AJP Turbo-Tune, ACES IV, Boostane 170 T-stat, PPE Catted DP's, Alpine Sound system, Touch screen HVAC controls, full window tint

FoMoCoSHO

Quote from: AJP turbo on May 03, 2017, 07:16:31 PM
Quote from: SHOdded on May 03, 2017, 07:06:50 PM
400-450 awhp you can get to with meth.  But 500, I think you need bigger turbos, no?

I agree
At around my torque peak that would mean about 863NM (637 lb ft) at the crank...

Bring it


StealBlueSho

Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on May 03, 2017, 09:16:47 PM
Quote from: AJP turbo on May 03, 2017, 07:16:31 PM
Quote from: SHOdded on May 03, 2017, 07:06:50 PM
400-450 awhp you can get to with meth.  But 500, I think you need bigger turbos, no?

I agree
At around my torque peak that would mean about 863NM (637 lb ft) at the crank...

Bring it

You need some 1/4 mile times to back that up.

FoMoCoSHO

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Quote from: StealBlueSho on May 03, 2017, 09:59:19 PM
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on May 03, 2017, 09:16:47 PM
Quote from: AJP turbo on May 03, 2017, 07:16:31 PM
Quote from: SHOdded on May 03, 2017, 07:06:50 PM
400-450 awhp you can get to with meth.  But 500, I think you need bigger turbos, no?

I agree
At around my torque peak that would mean about 863NM (637 lb ft) at the crank...

Bring it

You need some 1/4 mile times to back that up.
I was referring to the rpm of my torque peak, not the power I currently make...

http://www.calculatoredge.com/new/horsepower.htm

Trying to get to 450 assuming the 60 HP loss we see in many stock dynos.

I know some will take issue with the 60HP loss but with that very possibly low number the numbers are discouragingly high.  If it takes less to get there, great, cause I wouldn't want to run at that power level all the time.

AJP put down 527AWTQ and that was only 400ish awhp.

Now if we could get the torque to stay stronger longer the numbers become far less sphincter tightening...








derfdog15

Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on May 03, 2017, 10:21:54 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSho on May 03, 2017, 09:59:19 PM
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on May 03, 2017, 09:16:47 PM
Quote from: AJP turbo on May 03, 2017, 07:16:31 PM
Quote from: SHOdded on May 03, 2017, 07:06:50 PM
400-450 awhp you can get to with meth.  But 500, I think you need bigger turbos, no?

I agree
At around my torque peak that would mean about 863NM (637 lb ft) at the crank...

Bring it

You need some 1/4 mile times to back that up.
I was referring to the rpm of my torque peak, not the power I currently make...

http://www.calculatoredge.com/new/horsepower.htm

Trying to get to 450 assuming the 60 HP loss we see in many stock dynos.

I know some will take issue with the 60HP loss but with that very possibly low number the numbers are discouragingly high.  If it takes less to get there, great, cause I wouldn't want to run at that power level all the time.

AJP put down 527AWTQ and that was only 400ish awhp.

Now if we could get the torque to stay stronger longer the numbers become far less sphincter tightening...

Just an FYI, if you look closely at the AJP graph, that peak torque was actually on a boost spike, so not really his peak while in the normal boost curve. Me and him talked about that quite a bit after I dynod my car with basically the same mods and saw pretty similar HP but different torque: hp ratio
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TopherSho

Quote from: derfdog15 on May 04, 2017, 12:51:38 PM
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on May 03, 2017, 10:21:54 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSho on May 03, 2017, 09:59:19 PM
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on May 03, 2017, 09:16:47 PM
Quote from: AJP turbo on May 03, 2017, 07:16:31 PM
Quote from: SHOdded on May 03, 2017, 07:06:50 PM
400-450 awhp you can get to with meth.  But 500, I think you need bigger turbos, no?

I agree
At around my torque peak that would mean about 863NM (637 lb ft) at the crank...

Bring it

You need some 1/4 mile times to back that up.
I was referring to the rpm of my torque peak, not the power I currently make...

http://www.calculatoredge.com/new/horsepower.htm

Trying to get to 450 assuming the 60 HP loss we see in many stock dynos.

I know some will take issue with the 60HP loss but with that very possibly low number the numbers are discouragingly high.  If it takes less to get there, great, cause I wouldn't want to run at that power level all the time.

AJP put down 527AWTQ and that was only 400ish awhp.

Now if we could get the torque to stay stronger longer the numbers become far less sphincter tightening...

Just an FYI, if you look closely at the AJP graph, that peak torque was actually on a boost spike, so not really his peak while in the normal boost curve. Me and him talked about that quite a bit after I dynod my car with basically the same mods and saw pretty similar HP but different torque: hp ratio

I would STRONGLY recommend not going for the big numbers as the metric.   What we need for these giant tubs is higher average WTQ and higher average WHP over the rpm band you car will run in under WoT.

Case in point.  my car made on a mustang dnyo 383WTQ, (450ish Dynojet),  But I am struggling to break into the 12's on a 1/4 mile.  For me and my car (every car will be different) I drop all the way to 220 WTQ at the end of my RPM band (6100+rpm) before the car shifts.  Despite RPM adding WHP over time this loss of WQT for me and my car is holding me back. 

I would trade 50WTQ 'peak' to get a 25WTQ average increase across the RPM range for better 1/4 mile times and 0-60 times.

(note, i am very limited on mods!, see signature) 

Average WTQ will be the real metric in this novices opinion..
2010 non-pp, 98k miles, 3-bar,  .026 plugs, SNOW-KIT STG1, AJPTurbu tune#35, 15.5+psi
Best 0-60 public road 4.35s
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