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Hesitation in boost and high rpm

Started by polskifacet, December 04, 2016, 12:27:49 AM

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polskifacet

Hey Guys,
I'm on the list for the next batch of pumps. I'm going into this without full confidence but feel like I'm too far in to back out. Of course there is no guarantee that the pump will magically fix the issue. I'm hoping that even if the issue exists, I'll never reach the point where the LMS pump would exhibit the issue. LMS also said that if the pump doesn't fix the issue, they would need the car for an extended period and fix the issue for an additional charge. I'm pretty gung hoe about buying the pump but would like your guys opinion.
AEM Dryflo drop in. PP Transmission Cooler and thermostat. 160 tstat, 3 bar map, plugs, AJP 93 Tune, PP Shocks and Springs

StealBlueSho

They give you a time frame? I am supposed to get a call as well when they are available..

polskifacet

Quote from: StealBlueSho on May 11, 2017, 06:03:51 PM
They give you a time frame? I am supposed to get a call as well when they are available..
told me a few weeks
AEM Dryflo drop in. PP Transmission Cooler and thermostat. 160 tstat, 3 bar map, plugs, AJP 93 Tune, PP Shocks and Springs

StealBlueSho

Quote from: polskifacet on May 11, 2017, 08:44:47 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSho on May 11, 2017, 06:03:51 PM
They give you a time frame? I am supposed to get a call as well when they are available..
told me a few weeks

Ha! I was told 2 weeks 3 weeks ago... lol don't hold your breath..

polskifacet

yea that was the first batch, im talking about the second lol
AEM Dryflo drop in. PP Transmission Cooler and thermostat. 160 tstat, 3 bar map, plugs, AJP 93 Tune, PP Shocks and Springs

StealBlueSho

Quote from: polskifacet on May 11, 2017, 08:56:22 PM
yea that was the first batch, im talking about the second lol

Interesting... I would have figured someone on this forum would have gotten one if there was a batch available...

I asked Anthony yesterday and he told me he was unaware of any HPFP being sold yet for the SHO... I have the email... lol

Oh well...

polskifacet

#366
Just an observation, using the Torque app, with it being 75 degrees with some humidity it doesn't go below 1950 psi. I would have to log to get exact numbers but there is no hesitation etc.

Could any of you guys gauge how much fuel is missing? Is it 10% or is it 40%? That could help be make a better educated guess on the pump purchase.
AEM Dryflo drop in. PP Transmission Cooler and thermostat. 160 tstat, 3 bar map, plugs, AJP 93 Tune, PP Shocks and Springs

polskifacet

Logged what I felt, seems to be true. fuel pressure is on par with commanded. This is the 93 octane tune.
AEM Dryflo drop in. PP Transmission Cooler and thermostat. 160 tstat, 3 bar map, plugs, AJP 93 Tune, PP Shocks and Springs

AJP turbo

Quote from: polskifacet on May 16, 2017, 10:26:26 AM
Just an observation, using the Torque app, with it being 75 degrees with some humidity it doesn't go below 1950 psi. I would have to log to get exact numbers but there is no hesitation etc.

Could any of you guys gauge how much fuel is missing? Is it 10% or is it 40%? That could help be make a better educated guess on the pump purchase.

What do you mean how much fuel is missing?
SCT Dealer/Custom Calibrator                        
Specializing in 3.5 Ecoboost   
Remote/email custom tuning including E85 blends 
Authorized retailer for all SCT devices. 
 
Former:2014 PP SHO
3 bar 93 tune, Airaid, Stainless Works non catted DP's  
405whp/520tq
Dyno
     
Current:2016 F150 2.7 Ecoboost
Tuning in progress

polskifacet

A guesstimate on how much more room the stock pump should have. I'm assuming that I'm on the bleeding edge right now.
AEM Dryflo drop in. PP Transmission Cooler and thermostat. 160 tstat, 3 bar map, plugs, AJP 93 Tune, PP Shocks and Springs

StealBlueSho

Quote from: polskifacet on May 17, 2017, 08:13:40 AM
A guesstimate on how much more room the stock pump should have. I'm assuming that I'm on the bleeding edge right now.

Rule of thumb from the tuners I have worked with is 1500 psi is the lowest you want to go.

TopherSho

Quote from: StealBlueSho on May 17, 2017, 08:16:29 AM
Quote from: polskifacet on May 17, 2017, 08:13:40 AM
A guesstimate on how much more room the stock pump should have. I'm assuming that I'm on the bleeding edge right now.

Rule of thumb from the tuners I have worked with is 1500 psi is the lowest you want to go.

for my education is that for sustained,  or at all costs?   I have seen mine dip into the 1400's on shift but had assumed that happens since there is reduced load and reduced rpm driving things.
2010 non-pp, 98k miles, 3-bar,  .026 plugs, SNOW-KIT STG1, AJPTurbu tune#35, 15.5+psi
Best 0-60 public road 4.35s
Best 1/4 of 12.61 no DA correction

StealBlueSho

Quote from: TopherSho on May 17, 2017, 09:16:14 AM
Quote from: StealBlueSho on May 17, 2017, 08:16:29 AM
Quote from: polskifacet on May 17, 2017, 08:13:40 AM
A guesstimate on how much more room the stock pump should have. I'm assuming that I'm on the bleeding edge right now.

Rule of thumb from the tuners I have worked with is 1500 psi is the lowest you want to go.

for my education is that for sustained,  or at all costs?   I have seen mine dip into the 1400's on shift but had assumed that happens since there is reduced load and reduced rpm driving things.

I can just say from my experience is that Brad and Torrie were not happy with a sustained pressure of 1500 or less...

That being said... more of the issue is the dips after a shift around 4K RPMs... usually that's when a boost spike is evident...due to the increase in boost from the spike along with the drop is fuel pressure you are more prone for knock/heat issues....

I have never had a tune besides an E blend on a non-e tune that would not recover the fuel pressure...

I have had pressure as low as 800 psi while playing around... the ECU closes the throttle to prevent damage at that level...


TopherSho

Quote from: StealBlueSho on May 17, 2017, 09:38:35 AM
Quote from: TopherSho on May 17, 2017, 09:16:14 AM
Quote from: StealBlueSho on May 17, 2017, 08:16:29 AM
Quote from: polskifacet on May 17, 2017, 08:13:40 AM
A guesstimate on how much more room the stock pump should have. I'm assuming that I'm on the bleeding edge right now.

Rule of thumb from the tuners I have worked with is 1500 psi is the lowest you want to go.

for my education is that for sustained,  or at all costs?   I have seen mine dip into the 1400's on shift but had assumed that happens since there is reduced load and reduced rpm driving things.

I can just say from my experience is that Brad and Torrie were not happy with a sustained pressure of 1500 or less...

That being said... more of the issue is the dips after a shift around 4K RPMs... usually that's when a boost spike is evident...due to the increase in boost from the spike along with the drop is fuel pressure you are more prone for knock/heat issues....

I have never had a tune besides an E blend on a non-e tune that would not recover the fuel pressure...

I have had pressure as low as 800 psi while playing around... the ECU closes the throttle to prevent damage at that level...

ok no worries for me then :) ty sir..
2010 non-pp, 98k miles, 3-bar,  .026 plugs, SNOW-KIT STG1, AJPTurbu tune#35, 15.5+psi
Best 0-60 public road 4.35s
Best 1/4 of 12.61 no DA correction

StealBlueSho

You don't want fuel pressure drops, even momentarily, below 1500 psi... but that's really up to your tuner and how comfortable he is with your car...