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Hesitation under light acceleration

Started by SHOme, March 14, 2016, 10:18:15 AM

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SHOme

Hello all.  I have been a member for a while but I have not posted anything yet.  I have used this forum as an excellent resource for my Hotrod.  I currently have only an LMS 2,3,4 and 4+ tunes, gapped plugs and nothing else.  I am running the 4 presently.  I have a 2010 SHO built in September of 2009.  I have had it since May of 2014.  It has 109k on it now.  I am having what feels like a miss under light acceleration from 1000 to about 2000 RPM.  I can see the tack jumping about 250 RMP up and down.  If I drop the hammer or try to accelerate more rapidly she goes fine.  I replaced the plugs and they looked fine.  It did not fix the problem.  I had a top engine cleaning done and ran a can of BG cleaner though the tank. I then ran at least 6 tanks with LUCAS fuel injector cleaner.  This was all done a week and a half ago.  I had a trip to Florida, 3038 miles running cleaners the whole time. I have no codes and still the issue is unchanged.  I checked in the intercooler with my dipstick and there is about 1/4 inch of oil in there. I jacked the driver side to check this.  I could not suck it out because it was not enough. I don't know where to go from here.  So before I go to the stealership I was hoping for some help.  I know nothing about data logging or even how to read the results if i had the ability to do it.  Does anyone think this will help?  BTW switched back to stock tune and the problem is still there just not as pronounced.
2014 SHO, PP 3 bar, 160 T Stat, Livernois v10 Tune, UPR catch can. MDesign CAI

Brucelinc

I don't know anything about data logging either but I am sure someone will chime in.  Based on what you are describing, I would be suspicious of a coil going bad.  Obviously, you do not want to just start throwing parts at it, though. 

SHOme

Does anyone know what resistance the coils should be?  I can check them.  I have not read about coils being an issue but at 109k anything is possible.  I would also think a coil would throw a code.
2014 SHO, PP 3 bar, 160 T Stat, Livernois v10 Tune, UPR catch can. MDesign CAI

Brucelinc

I haven't heard of many coil issues with the ecoboost, either.  I based my comment on my experience with my last car - a Lincoln LS.  When coils would begin to fail, the symptom was exactly what you describe.  They would NEVER throw a code until they completely failed.  Again, I am just throwing out one idea and it could certainly be wrong.

ZSHO

Welcome aboard the EBPF SHOme,Bruce is correct in fact that anything is possible considering the mileage on there,would also check to see if the COP have any rips or tears in them and would definitely change them for reassurance purposes and can be found fairly cheap,also did you notice any oil inside the spark plug wells? any leaks around the rear valve cover?might want to consider a new pcv valve,heres the link and thanks for joining.  Z    http://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=3422364&cc=1445050&jsn=410 http://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/ford,2010,taurus,3.5l+v6+turbocharged,1445050,ignition?a=Referer+www.searchlock.com+URL+%2F


2013 Performance Package SHO| Livernois Custom Methanol Tune|3-Bar Map|Reische-170-Stat|Full Race Tial-10psi BOV in Black|PPE-Gloss Black Hot Pipes|EPP Dual Intake in Gloss Black|PPE Catted DP|Corsa Sport Cat Back Exhaust|H&R Sport-Springs|CFM Performance Billet Valve Cover Breather In Gloss Black|Llumar 20%Ceramic window Tint|MSD Ignition Coils in Black|Extreme Roof Spoiler|Redline Fluids all around|Gearhead Intercooler|First-SHO With Direct Port Alky-VP-M1-100%-Methanol Injection|LMS-Custom-Dyno-Tuned @ 415whp-465wtq| Best Trap Speed of 115.54 mph|

Scott4957

Quote from: SHOme on March 14, 2016, 10:33:55 AM
Does anyone know what resistance the coils should be?  I can check them.  I have not read about coils being an issue but at 109k anything is possible.  I would also think a coil would throw a code.

I don't know what they should be, but either way you will check them all. If one is way off the others then I would say you have your answer. I think it would be a good place to start.
2013 Lincoln MKS EcoBoost, AJP Tuned

SHOdded

Welcome, SHOme, glad to have you & your '10 SHO here!  Can't datalog with the LME tuner, you would have to datalog independently with, for example, Forscan or Torque Pro connected via Bluetooth or WiFi to an OBD II data reader.

Anyhoo, two additional things to check:
1) the knock sensor wiring for chafing - problem is more prevalent on '10-'12 SHOs, and
2) any loose/cracked piping under the engine cover - can make it seem like an ignition/fuel problem

If all these items look OK, then you may have the beginnings of a fuel injector issue.  These have been known to leak/fail.
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

Vortech347

Mine does this too sometimes going up a hill or using just enough throttle to do a 6th gear pass at around 60.  Mine did it stock and tuned.  My friend's stock Fusion EB does it as well. 
Matt H.
2013 SHO Performance Pack, Daily, AJPTurbo tuned
2003 SVT Cobra 497rwhp/491rwtq, Self tuned, Cruiser
1990 Mustang GT 570rwhp/530twtq, Self tuned, Open Track
2017 F150 XLT 5.0

SHOme

I inspected under the hood and did not see any leaks, all the coil boost looked good and there was no oil in the pug wells.  I will check the wire chaffing I did not know about that issue.  How much money are we talking for the equipment to data log and do you think it would identify the problem?
2014 SHO, PP 3 bar, 160 T Stat, Livernois v10 Tune, UPR catch can. MDesign CAI

SHOdded

#9
If you have a smartphone or tablet (Android or iOS), the cost of entry is the reader, and the software.  Depending on the reader you choose, your total in would be $30 - $85 at current pricing.

For example -
BAFX Products 34t5 Bluetooth:  http://smile.amazon.com/BAFX-Products-34t5-Bluetooth-Android/dp/B005NLQAHS/ - Android only
OBDLINK MX Bluetooth:  http://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B006NZTZLQ - Android only

Torque Pro:  https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.prowl.torque
Forscan:  https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.astech.forscanlite
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

ZSHO

I would also check the condition of the wastegate hoses,they have a tendency to pop off sometimes because there is no clamp supplied by Ford,,its located right above the front bov,pics below.  Z


2013 Performance Package SHO| Livernois Custom Methanol Tune|3-Bar Map|Reische-170-Stat|Full Race Tial-10psi BOV in Black|PPE-Gloss Black Hot Pipes|EPP Dual Intake in Gloss Black|PPE Catted DP|Corsa Sport Cat Back Exhaust|H&R Sport-Springs|CFM Performance Billet Valve Cover Breather In Gloss Black|Llumar 20%Ceramic window Tint|MSD Ignition Coils in Black|Extreme Roof Spoiler|Redline Fluids all around|Gearhead Intercooler|First-SHO With Direct Port Alky-VP-M1-100%-Methanol Injection|LMS-Custom-Dyno-Tuned @ 415whp-465wtq| Best Trap Speed of 115.54 mph|

SHOme

2014 SHO, PP 3 bar, 160 T Stat, Livernois v10 Tune, UPR catch can. MDesign CAI

SHOdded

It's hard to measure resistance correctly on COP ignition systems (need specialized tools to read waveforms), so can't really help you there.  If there are no codes set, you don't even have a pointer to a particular cylinder being the problem. 

BTW, what are the newest plugs gapped to, do you know?  Should be 0.030.  I take it you are still running the stock MAP sensors?  Might be due for cleaning (use MAF sensor cleaner) and/or replacement.

Datalogging can be very tedious, but when you catch an event in progress, the EUREKA moment is well worth it :)
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

SHOme

I did gap at .030 with an actual feeler gauge.  It is stock sensor. I do have a three bar but no tune for it. So I haven't put it in yet.  I contemplating meth and want to do it all at the same time.  I am trying to get my local dealer to data log for me.  I can make it happen anytime.  It's not one of those phantom issues that never happens when it's being diagnosed.

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2014 SHO, PP 3 bar, 160 T Stat, Livernois v10 Tune, UPR catch can. MDesign CAI

Brucelinc

If you are involving your dealer, I think they can load test the coils and determine if one or more are failing.  My dealer did that when I had the issue with my old Lincoln.  Coils did not have to be removed for that test.