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Started by Scott4957, December 22, 2015, 11:07:10 PM

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Scott4957

Did quite a bit of searching but found no definitive answer, likely because there really isn't one. Working through some revisions with Torrie and am curious where I should have him set the shift points on the MKS. They seem quite low right now.

1-2 5200
2-3 5200
3-4 5600

Just taking a look at other logs I see most are higher like 6k. Any suggestions on a stock non PP drive train? Have not had it on the dyno so nothing to go off of there.

Thanks,
Scott
2013 Lincoln MKS EcoBoost, AJP Tuned

FoMoCoSHO

Torrie had the 2013 setup to shift that way.

It never felt right but I couldn't argue with the results.

SHOdded

I assume it is a result of optimizing peak tq/hp, trans shift capabilities/reaction times and traction.
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Scott4957

Yeah that is what I figured. FoMoCoSHO, I was looking at your 2015 log, that is where I say 6k.

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2013 Lincoln MKS EcoBoost, AJP Tuned

mval

livernois has them @ 6200 on my 4+ & 4x tune
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Scott4957

Quote from: mval on December 23, 2015, 09:12:47 AM
livernois has them @ 6200 on my 4+ & 4x tune

That's substantially different. From what I understand you want to shift just past peak horsepower landing at a point just prior to peak horsepower after the shift. Essentially at equal points on either side of the curve.  I haven't looked an enough dyno charts to know where that is on this car, let alone where that is in each gear.
2013 Lincoln MKS EcoBoost, AJP Tuned

FoMoCoSHO

If you don't have a cai that may be the reason. Cai doesn't really make power bit it does seem to carry it longer. I was on the OEM box on the 2013.

I assure you power is falling off hard at 6200.

AJP turbo

I wouldnt over think it...6k seems to be nice..the turbo has a hard time above 6k...and even with a bigger turbo i dont know if this is a rev happy motor anyway
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Scott4957

Quote from: ajpturbo on December 23, 2015, 01:03:10 PM
I wouldnt over think it...6k seems to be nice..the turbo has a hard time above 6k...and even with a bigger turbo i dont know if this is a rev happy motor anyway

Yeah I agree, its not a big deal to move it around. I could have him bump it all up to 5800, it will shift by about 6k and see how it does. If it doesn't show at the track or on the logs then I can always move it back.
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Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on December 22, 2015, 11:53:41 PM
Torrie had the 2013 setup to shift that way.

It never felt right but I couldn't argue with the results.
You had good results with the lower shift points?


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FoMoCoSHO

Quote from: f8tlSHO on December 26, 2015, 10:51:32 AM

Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on December 22, 2015, 11:53:41 PM
Torrie had the 2013 setup to shift that way.

It never felt right but I couldn't argue with the results.
You had good results with the lower shift points?


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Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on December 26, 2015, 02:23:15 PM
Quote from: f8tlSHO on December 26, 2015, 10:51:32 AM

Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on December 22, 2015, 11:53:41 PM
Torrie had the 2013 setup to shift that way.

It never felt right but I couldn't argue with the results.
You had good results with the lower shift points?


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See bottom of sig.

3 bar tune only.
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Sent from my iPhone
2013 Non PP Unleashed 93 E20 3 Bar Tune, K&N drop in 12.491 @ 110.96 120's IAT
Now tuned by ajp...looking to go faster
E30 tune on14psi full weight including 2 child seats,race like a real street car.
12.433 @110.8 140's IAT; Mustang Dyno 332hp / 386tq

FoMoCoSHO

Quote from: f8tlSHO on December 26, 2015, 02:26:15 PM

Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on December 26, 2015, 02:23:15 PM
Quote from: f8tlSHO on December 26, 2015, 10:51:32 AM

Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on December 22, 2015, 11:53:41 PM
Torrie had the 2013 setup to shift that way.

It never felt right but I couldn't argue with the results.
You had good results with the lower shift points?


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See bottom of sig.

3 bar tune only.
Sorry I can't see signatures using tapatalk app.. It kinda sucks..


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12.66@109.14

Car had quite a few revisions after that weren't track tested due to unexpected trade in. It was pretty nasty.

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If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

f8tlSHO

What were the shift points on either of the cars? Were they low or like mine at 6200rpm?


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2013 Non PP Unleashed 93 E20 3 Bar Tune, K&N drop in 12.491 @ 110.96 120's IAT
Now tuned by ajp...looking to go faster
E30 tune on14psi full weight including 2 child seats,race like a real street car.
12.433 @110.8 140's IAT; Mustang Dyno 332hp / 386tq