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E15 and 93 octane question

Started by ElvenSho, July 14, 2015, 05:55:26 PM

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ElvenSho

What is the actual octane rating for E15? I cant seem to find the answer online but from what I did see it should be around 98. Right now I am tuned by Torrie with 93 octane from Shell pump and the car drives great. I am wondering if E15 is 98 octane than I should be able to get more out of my car with it + its way cheaper than 93 that I am paying for right now. My car is a 2011 and the warning/sticker on the fuel door says not to put e20 which means e15 should be fine right?

On Saturday I had half a tank of 93 in my car and I put 1.2gal of E85 but my car did not run correctly after about 5 minutes, it felt like it was being held back over 4k rpms until I put another 7 gallons of 93 octane, now my car feels more powerful than with 93 octane alone. I emailed Torrie asking if that was ok but he did not respond or my email never went to him lol.

I guess all I am wondering is if I am missign out by not using E15 since its way cheaper plus could give more power. i will email Torrie about it tonight.

BTW the Shell gas station sells, E15,e20,e25,e30,e85. Since e15 should be 85% 93octane and 15% ethanol it would make sense that it is stronger rating I guess.
2011 Red Taurus SHO- H&R springs, plugs, t-stat, 3bar, LMS dps, tuned by Torrie

SHOdded

This link has been cited many times, does the math for you:
http://www.intercepteft.com/calc.html

Also remember, if there is crud in your fuel system, from tank to fuel injector, the extra ethanol will solubilize it, and your engine may not like it, at least initially.  So, small steps are highly recommended.

Is the 93 you use straight gas or E10?
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

ElvenSho

Quote from: SHOdded on July 14, 2015, 06:22:43 PM
This link has been cited many times, does the math for you:
http://www.intercepteft.com/calc.html

Also remember, if there is crud in your fuel system, from tank to fuel injector, the extra ethanol will solubilize it, and your engine may not like it, at least initially.  So, small steps are highly recommended.

Is the 93 you use straight gas or E10?
Should be straight 93 according to the owner of the Shell store.

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2011 Red Taurus SHO- H&R springs, plugs, t-stat, 3bar, LMS dps, tuned by Torrie

SHOdded

So you can use 3.5 gallons of E85 to 16.5 gallons of straight 93 to get to E15.  That will put you at 95 octane per the calculator.
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

ElvenSho

Quote from: SHOdded on July 14, 2015, 06:29:48 PM
So you can use 3.5 gallons of E85 to 16.5 gallons of straight 93 to get to E15.  That will put you at 95 octane per the calculator.
Ok but they already have the pump that sells e15 so I would not have to blend it myself so that should work than? Torrie just told me it all depends how much the fuel pressure would drop as far as if its worth it or not. I might try and log it for hom sometimes.

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2011 Red Taurus SHO- H&R springs, plugs, t-stat, 3bar, LMS dps, tuned by Torrie

FoMoCoSHO

The response I received from Shell...


"Thank you for contacting Shell Solutions Center.

In the US:

In order to comply with the Government's Federal Renewable Fuel Standard (RFS), most Shell gasoline contain 10% ethanol by volume.  Due to these Federal obligations, nearly every gallon of gasoline sold in the US must contain 10% ethanol.  While all states sell gasoline with ethanol, there are limited areas where ethanol free gasoline is sold, mostly for RV (recreational vehicle), marine or outdoor use.

To determine whether the gasoline you are purchasing contains ethanol, you should look for a label on the dispenser indicating ethanol content.  All gasoline stations should post a label on the dispenser advising if the gasoline contains ethanol and the maximum amount (depending on State laws, which may or may not make this labeling mandatory for 10% or less ethanol content).

In addition, the decision on whether to offer ethanol free gasoline is determined by each local Shell station as they are all independently owned and operated.  And because Shell stations are all independently owned and operated locally, we would not have a listing of which stations offer which grades of fuel."

FoMoCoSHO

Quote from: ElvenSho on July 14, 2015, 06:31:58 PM
Quote from: SHOdded on July 14, 2015, 06:29:48 PM
So you can use 3.5 gallons of E85 to 16.5 gallons of straight 93 to get to E15.  That will put you at 95 octane per the calculator.
Ok but they already have the pump that sells e15 so I would not have to blend it myself so that should work than? Torrie just told me it all depends how much the fuel pressure would drop as far as if its worth it or not. I might try and log it for hom sometimes.

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Man, you have blending pumps, so much win!

ElvenSho

Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on July 14, 2015, 06:37:36 PM
The response I received from Shell...


"Thank you for contacting Shell Solutions Center.

In the US:

In order to comply with the Government's Federal Renewable Fuel Standard (RFS), most Shell gasoline contain 10% ethanol by volume.  Due to these Federal obligations, nearly every gallon of gasoline sold in the US must contain 10% ethanol.  While all states sell gasoline with ethanol, there are limited areas where ethanol free gasoline is sold, mostly for RV (recreational vehicle), marine or outdoor use.

To determine whether the gasoline you are purchasing contains ethanol, you should look for a label on the dispenser indicating ethanol content.  All gasoline stations should post a label on the dispenser advising if the gasoline contains ethanol and the maximum amount (depending on State laws, which may or may not make this labeling mandatory for 10% or less ethanol content).

In addition, the decision on whether to offer ethanol free gasoline is determined by each local Shell station as they are all independently owned and operated.  And because Shell stations are all independently owned and operated locally, we would not have a listing of which stations offer which grades of fuel."

Yup 91 and 89 have the sticker with 10% ethanol next to it but not 93.
2011 Red Taurus SHO- H&R springs, plugs, t-stat, 3bar, LMS dps, tuned by Torrie

FoMoCoSHO

I'd use the straight gas topped off with corn using the calculator to get your desired blend.

ElvenSho

Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on July 14, 2015, 06:38:18 PM
Quote from: ElvenSho on July 14, 2015, 06:31:58 PM
Quote from: SHOdded on July 14, 2015, 06:29:48 PM
So you can use 3.5 gallons of E85 to 16.5 gallons of straight 93 to get to E15.  That will put you at 95 octane per the calculator.
Ok but they already have the pump that sells e15 so I would not have to blend it myself so that should work than? Torrie just told me it all depends how much the fuel pressure would drop as far as if its worth it or not. I might try and log it for hom sometimes.

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Man, you have blending pumps, so much win!

Yes I agree lol. Torrie wants me to do a short 30-60 WOT run for him with E85 on my 93 octane tune and he will let me know if its worth trying to do anything with it or not.
2011 Red Taurus SHO- H&R springs, plugs, t-stat, 3bar, LMS dps, tuned by Torrie

ElvenSho

Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on July 14, 2015, 06:43:20 PM
I'd use the straight gas topped off with corn using the calculator to get your desired blend.

But why blend to make e15 when I can just get e15 at the pump? Thats the whole reason I am confused, is it better to get 93 octane and blend e85 or is it same as getting e15? I dont want to blow up my car lol.
2011 Red Taurus SHO- H&R springs, plugs, t-stat, 3bar, LMS dps, tuned by Torrie


FoMoCoSHO

Quote from: ElvenSho on July 14, 2015, 06:46:46 PM
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on July 14, 2015, 06:43:20 PM
I'd use the straight gas topped off with corn using the calculator to get your desired blend.

But why blend to make e15 when I can just get e15 at the pump? Thats the whole reason I am confused, is it better to get 93 octane and blend e85 or is it same as getting e15? I dont want to blow up my car lol.
If our cars were gonna blow up from a little corn, Wassinger and I would be hoofin it right now, lol....

Personally I would blend to E30 with the straight gas, tune and datalog from there.


ElvenSho

Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on July 14, 2015, 06:50:55 PM
Quote from: ElvenSho on July 14, 2015, 06:46:46 PM
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on July 14, 2015, 06:43:20 PM
I'd use the straight gas topped off with corn using the calculator to get your desired blend.

But why blend to make e15 when I can just get e15 at the pump? Thats the whole reason I am confused, is it better to get 93 octane and blend e85 or is it same as getting e15? I dont want to blow up my car lol.
If our cars were gonna blow up from a little corn, Wassinger and I would be hoofin it right now, lol....

Personally I would blend to E30 with the straight gas, tune and datalog from there.

e30 on an 2011? Also the pump has the option for e30 so i shouldnt have to blend. God this ethanol stuff is confusing.
2011 Red Taurus SHO- H&R springs, plugs, t-stat, 3bar, LMS dps, tuned by Torrie

FoMoCoSHO

Quote from: ElvenSho on July 14, 2015, 06:46:46 PM
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on July 14, 2015, 06:43:20 PM
I'd use the straight gas topped off with corn using the calculator to get your desired blend.

But why blend to make e15 when I can just get e15 at the pump? Thats the whole reason I am confused, is it better to get 93 octane and blend e85 or is it same as getting e15? I dont want to blow up my car lol.
You will wind up with higher octane using straight gas with corn because you can add more corn before you run out of fuel headroom.

Straight gas uses 0 corn to get to 93

Oxygenated uses corn to get to 93 so your headroom will disappear quicker, if that makes any sense.