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Wtf Did I do to my sho? New exhaust makes my car sound like a rice burner

Started by 14SHOCAR, May 08, 2015, 08:05:17 PM

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FoMoCoSHO

Quote from: ajpturbo on May 14, 2015, 04:55:00 PM

Also, I highly doubt you are running rich at idle...that's where logging is the only answer rathe than speculating...the only way u would be running rich would be if u were in open loop and only a complete moron would force open loop at idle for this application....actually these cars run closed loop in a way even at wot but I won't really get into that now .....

Tease...

AJP turbo

Quote from: 11BLKFX4EB on May 14, 2015, 09:28:17 PM
Wouldn't a bad O2 also cause the car to run rich?

Sure..I guess that could....damn he could use a log lol
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Just to clarify mine only had issues at WOT. Not at part throttle and at idle.


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14SHOCAR

Quote from: ZSHO on May 13, 2015, 07:49:06 PM
I apologize for intefering,but this is reference to the OP.was curious to know if you used new gaskets x4,or if you re-use the old ones it will leak causing o2 sensors to read incorrectly causing fluctuations on your AFR. Z

Yes. This problem only happened AFTER I installed the catback + downpipes. LMS sent me updated tune files.

Quote from: ShoBoat on May 14, 2015, 10:28:14 PM
Just to clarify mine only had issues at WOT. Not at part throttle and at idle.
I did the PCM reset yesterday because I'm pretty desperate for answers here..... and I haven't had a rough idle since. This problem is now ONLY at WOT.

Quote from: ajpturbo on May 14, 2015, 10:01:37 PM
Sure..I guess that could....damn he could use a log lol
AJPTurbo -- I drove around with one of the Diablo tuners connected + a tech. He said at idle my A/F was "around 14"  Not sure exactly that is good but that is what he stated.

When we got to an area where we could go WOT I experience the shuddering at the top end of the RPM band. We are getting a vacuum boost gauge to see the difference between commanded and actual boost (versus what the map is reading). He is thinking that there is a boost cut-off happening as he said it doesn't feel like misfiring... he said it feels like its removing fuel and pulling back timing.

I am not going to represent myself as relying this information 100% correctly, nor that I know what the car is doing on this one guys... I'm just relaying what I believe he said.

That might make sense for why the fuel pressure drops -- because we are somehow hitting that "max boost" and it does a boost cut. My guy said he does a bunch of Subaru's that are doing 22+PSI and he has to fine tune the boost cut-off because it does almost the exact thing.
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11BLKFX4EB

Have you tried going back to stock MAP and stock tune to see what happens at WOT to see if the shudder is still there?
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14SHOCAR

I can't because I have catback... I'm assuming the stock tune doesn't have the rear O2 delete
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11BLKFX4EB

Quote from: 14SHOCAR on May 15, 2015, 11:15:34 AM
I can't because I have catback... I'm assuming the stock tune doesn't have the rear O2 delete
You should be able to run it. All it will do is throw a code, and that shouldn't come on for about 50 miles. Should be plenty of time to log and see if it shudders. If it still shudders, my money is on a bad o2.
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SRT82ECOBOOST

The lack of a great sound from these cars is what eventually drove me back to a V8 platform. Either it is no sound or a ricer sound without anything in between.
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To me this car is too much of a sleeper to make it loud. Still would like to be able to get a good sound that doesn't scream but has more volume than stock.
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Quote from: SRT82ECOBOOST on May 15, 2015, 12:19:17 PM
The lack of a great sound from these cars is what eventually drove me back to a V8 platform. Either it is no sound or a ricer sound without anything in between.

Did you think because it was a Ford, it would sound like a Mustang?  What kind of sound are you expecting, exactly?
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14SHOCAR

I'm OK with a little rice. My rasp is horrible.

I did exhaust and downpipes for performance and not sound... though now that I have a sound I absolutely despise...

Now that I have WOT performance issues... I'm leaning towards less performance more reliability.
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17 Lincoln MKZ 3.0T GTDI -To Tune, or Not To Tune -- THAT is the question.
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Did you think because it was a Ford, it would sound like a Mustang?  What kind of sound are you expecting, exactly?
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I had downpipes and a custom exhaust installed and it did not make a real marked change. So without the soundtrack to go along with the performance, it was not the right car for me.

There are plenty of pleasurable sounding, turbo V6 engines out there that have a much better sound than the Ecoboost. I have not heard an Ecoboost yet that sounds very pleasing to my ears.
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11BLKFX4EB

Quote from: SRT82ECOBOOST on May 15, 2015, 01:51:04 PM


Did you think because it was a Ford, it would sound like a Mustang?  What kind of sound are you expecting, exactly?
I had downpipes and a custom exhaust installed and it did not make a real marked change. So without the soundtrack to go along with the performance, it was not the right car for me.

There are plenty of pleasurable sounding, turbo V6 engines out there that have a much better sound than the Ecoboost. I have not heard an Ecoboost yet that sounds very pleasing to my ears.
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Except the Ford GT!
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2015 Explorer Sport Magnetic Metallic-stock...for now.

AJP turbo

You should return the tune to stock, that will help rule out a bad 02 sensor. You may get a CEL but no big deal. I can't remember if you have catted downpipes or not. In the stock tune 1.0 lambda is set for 14.069 AFR. So if you were logging and reading from the stock 02 sensor the 14 ish you were seeing in just fine.

You really need to have a full compliment of PID's on a WOT log to properly diagnose anything you suspect with the car.

There are so many torque limiters, airflow limiters, wastegate limiters, fuel limiters in the tune. It will be nothing like the Subaru. Your tuner guy was probably just trying to put it in terms that made sense to you. I had a WRX that I did open source tuning on and it was fairly easy to adjust wastegate duty cycle. The SHO uses a torque based approach and is wildly different than a mustang which uses a similar ECU and processor.

You should also be logging actual throttle angle in your WOT logs. Often times when your boost gets a little too high the throttle will close slightly to maintain a certain torque level, you can usually see it in a boost gauge. But when the throttle closes to maintain the torque level it could feel like a miss or hesitation, I could see that

With the stock tune the car actually uses the throttle angle to control the torque. Rarely is the throttle open completely when you floor it.

And btw if you do log actual throttle angle the max angle will be 82
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405whp/520tq
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Tuning in progress

FoMoCoSHO

Ajp, I swear that the obdII manual I sent you stated that lambda was set at 14.7......