Oil Discussion Thread

[wasinger3000]

Okay, I want to make this thread as a place to discuss different oils for the EcoBoost platform.

That being said I have a particular oil id like to talk about, Pennzoil Ultra Platinum. I have been reading into it a lot and I would like to hear what the members here have to say about it. Anyone here using P.U.P?

I would also like to consider using the 0w-40 weight instead of the listed 5w-30 for the 13+ 3.5 Eco as the 0w-40 is listed for high performance applications. Although I am not certain the 3.5 could handle that thick of an oil. Anyone using a heavy weight oil?

There is a lot of good information on this page.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/pennzoil-q-a/

A few particular parts of interest.

"Are Pennzoil Platinum® and Pennzoil Ultra Platinum™ Full Synthetic motor oils with PurePlus™ Technology available in high-performance application grades?"

"Pennzoil Platinum® Racing Full Synthetic motor oil with PurePlus™ Technology is available as an SAE 10W-60 and is suitable for many high-performance applications. Also, Pennzoil Ultra Platinum™ Full Synthetic motor oil with PurePlus™ Technology 0W-40 is recommended by SRT for their engines and Pennzoil Platinum Euro Full Synthetic motor oil with PurePlus Technology 5W-40 is recommended by Ferrari and Maserati for their engines. Pennzoil Platinum® Full Synthetic motor oil with PurePlus™ Technology 5W-50 is also suitable for many high performance applications."

"What characteristics of motor oils are important when considering them for use in modern direct injection turbocharged gasoline engines, and how do the Pennzoil Platinum® Full Synthetic motor oils made with GTL base oils meet them?"

"To achieve fuel economy requirements and improve vehicle performance vehicle manufacturers have moved toward smaller turbocharged engines with direct injection. These smaller engines are worked harder to achieve a higher rated output, increasing both the pressure and the temperature in the combustion chambers. These engines provide a demanding environment for the motor oil. Pennzoil Platinum® Full Synthetic motor oils with PurePlus™ Technology keep critical engine parts clean and protected, and they have high resistance to oil degradation and low volatility which helps them to maintain the protection over the oil drain interval also resulting in less need for oil top-up."

"What type(s) of testing have you done with regard specifically to your products' interaction with and ability to combat intake valve deposit formations in modern direct injection technology series of engines?"

"Pennzoil Platinum® and Pennzoil Ultra Platinum™ Full Synthetic motor oils with PurePlus™ Technology have undergone many stringent lab tests, industry tests, and OEM tests in addition to millions of miles of field trials. The Complete Protection benefits of the line of Pennzoil Platinum® with PurePlus™ Technology products make them an excellent choice for advanced engines, especially direct injection engines, because the motor oils help prevent deposits and perform extremely well at high temperatures. No other leading motor oil helps keep engines cleaner than Pennzoil Platinum® with PurePlus™ Technology. (Based on pistons from standard V6 engine in ASTM Sequence IIIG piston deposit test using SAE 5W-30. Does not apply to Pennzoil Platinum® Euro and Pennzoil Ultra Platinum™ 0W-40. Pennzoil Ultra Platinum™ keeps pistons up to 25% cleaner than Mobil 1; and up to 35% cleaner than Valvoline® SynPower®. Pennzoil Platinum® keeps pistons up to 8% cleaner than Mobil 1; and up to 17% cleaner than Valvoline® SynPower®)"

[jtoddk98]

I'm very interested in Pennzoil Ultra Platinum.  Hennessy uses it in all their cars, even the 270+MPH Venom GT. I'm close to my next oil change interval. Trying to decide between Pennzoil or Amsoil Signature.


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[SHOdded]

I believe glock-coma uses and likes P.U.P., though not at the 0-40 weight you are talking about.  I would not run it at that weight, compare performance (VI and Noack particularly) across the product range:
http://www.pennzoil.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Pennzoil-Ultra-Platinum-0W-40-SN-Chrysler-en-TDS.pdf
http://www.pennzoil.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Pennzoil-Ultra-Platinum-5W-30-SN-GF-5-en-TDS.pdf
http://www.pennzoil.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Pennzoil-Ultra-Platinum-10W-30-SN-GF-5-en-TDS.pdf
http://www.pennzoil.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Pennzoil-Ultra-Platinum-0W-20-SN-GF-5-en-TDS.pdf

[glock-coma]

SHOdded is correct I am currently using p.u.p 5-w20 (2010 MY) with a fram ultra guard filter.
I'm probably going to 5-w30 the next oil change for the warmer months ahead.
For what it's worth I do still get a slight "rattle" for a split second after startup. Only when it's been a sitting few days as I don't drive it every day. I've been doing the gas pedal to the floor technique so it cranks for a few seconds before startup and the noise is gone.
I just installed my RX catch can. We'll see if that makes any kind of difference with the oil quality.   I have a sample to send out to blackstone.

[wasinger3000]

I believe glock-coma uses and likes P.U.P., though not at the 0-40 weight you are talking about.  I would not run it at that weight, compare performance (VI and Noack particularly) across the product range:
http://www.pennzoil.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Pennzoil-Ultra-Platinum-0W-40-SN-Chrysler-en-TDS.pdf

Would 3.7 cSt @ 100c really make that much of a difference?

P.U.P 5w-30= cSt @ 100°C 10.3

motorcraft 5w-30 sythetic blend= cSt @ 100°C 10.8

Royal Purple 5w-30 HPS= cSt @ 100°C 11.3

Redline 5w-30= cSt @ 100°C 11.9 Quote from item description- "Thicker oil film at operating temperature than a petroleum 10W40"

Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5w-40= cSt @ 100°C 13.3

P.U.P 0w-40= cSt @ 100°C 13.7

[SHOdded]

It's a game of percentages.  So from 5w30 to 0w40 for PUP, you are looking at a 33% increase (27% compared to MC Blend), that is IMHO substantially over spec.  Thicker oil means it won't lubricate as well for an engine that's spec'd for thinner oil, and will increase the likelihood of premature failures.  In the olden days, a 10% variance was commonly allowed for in engineering design.  Don't know what it is in the automotive world today, but surely it will be less variance rather than more.

[AJP turbo]

U need to run whatever weight nessassary to maintain proper oil pressure....if u run the car ragged then a 60 weight may be required...if u run the car easy and have an oil cooler and a lower tstat then 20 weight may be required

All things being equal a thicker oil will cause higher oil pressure

U really want the lowest viscosity that will give adeqaute oil pressure...people get caught up in the thickness and weight when they really need to be worried about correct oil pressure....oil pressure will change based on how hot or cold u allow or the car allows the oil to get.

If u road race ur car u may need 50 weight...not because it gives better protection or is thicker but because u get the oil so hot the 20 or 30 weight will not give enough oil pressure and the 50 will

If u are not monitoring oil pressure then switching oil is silly and I know u all have aftermarket oil temp and pressure gauges right?...if u road race I could see maybe a 40 but everything else including blasts down the track I'd stick with 30weight

I know we all want to believe our big bad 3 bar shos need more protection but the truth is we don't drive these cars in a way that needs super thick oil ...and what's good for the masses isn't sufficient for us but you'd be wrong...

U think we have turbo oil seal problems now....go ahead and run thicker oil that will increase oil pressure and watch people cry then

[wasinger3000]

I just did a few pages of reading and ive come to the conclusion that the 5w-30 is the best way to go. 0w40 is just to much of an increase for what my car is used for. The P.U.P 5w30 has a closer viscosity to 10 at operating temp than the 0w-40, as well as a lower viscosity (9.7) at 40c than both the ford oil and the 0w-40 which will reduce wear during the warm up cycle.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/motor-oil-104/

[SHOdded]

Next up:  oil filter selection. 

[wasinger3000]

Next up:  oil filter selection. 

Hah, even harder choice imo. Not as much technical testing done on the filters.

So far I've found its either the royal purple filter or mobil 1 filter are best.

Not many filtration tests to go off of.

[panther427]

I have spent much time on BITOG lately i need to sign up over there   I am still very interested in the PUP oil too. only thing i don't like is its low visc for a 5w30, But that isnt enough to keep me from trying it sometime.

Also they had a VOA of the Kendall GT-1 Full syn with titanium looked to be a decent oil. The stuff is made by conoco phillips. I understand that is what the Motorcraft oil is made by.

I have used it in past cars. The firestone stores use Kendall oils and there is alwasy coupons for oil changes there plus you get a discount with the store credit card.
Not sure what filters they use though.

[jtoddk98]

I wouldn't sway from the motorcraft filter. They're cheap and good quality. Plus it just gives Ford more firepower against you if you come in for a warranty claim and they see a aftermarket filter or something


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[AJP turbo]

I wouldn't sway from the motorcraft filter. They're cheap and good quality. Plus it just gives Ford more firepower against you if you come in for a warranty claim and they see a aftermarket filter or something


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False and false.....motorcrap is overpriced And average.....they'd have an uphill battle trying to hassle u over the filter

[mts7471]

Oil discussions are always entertaining.  I myself have used Mobil 1, Vavoline Synthetic and Durablend for years, with no issues during the 120k miles that I typically owned my vehicles.  Usually used a Fram Extra Guard filter with good results too.

I will say since getting my SHO, I decided to do a little research, and its always tough as hell to find a review that isn't in someway related to a manufacture, but I decided to go with Amsoil Signature myself.  I run whats recommend which is 5w-30, and I put in an Amsoil Filter.  I know they say its extended life oil that can be run to like 25k miles, but I'll never run it up that high and will changing it out after 10k miles.    I also changed out the PTU gear oil at 7k miles and put in Amsoil gear oil in its place.  After all the horror stories of PTU gear oil turning to paste or sludge, I decided to swap it out now rather then later.  I'll check on the PTU in 10k miles to see how that is holding up.  Its so hard to extract all of it, I may just pull out what I can and put some more Amsoil gear lube in there until the factory lube is thinned out so to speak.

[wasinger3000]

I have spent much time on BITOG lately i need to sign up over there   I am still very interested in the PUP oil too. only thing i don't like is its low visc for a 5w30, But that isnt enough to keep me from trying it sometime.

Also they had a VOA of the Kendall GT-1 Full syn with titanium looked to be a decent oil. The stuff is made by conoco phillips. I understand that is what the Motorcraft oil is made by.

I have used it in past cars. The firestone stores use Kendall oils and there is alwasy coupons for oil changes there plus you get a discount with the store credit card.
Not sure what filters they use though.

I have been reading into it a lot and found that the viscosity of the oil is not so much an issue as its ability to maintain the proper film strength at operating temperature. So as long as the film strength is within spec the viscosity can actually be lower and reduce pumping resistance.

Less chance of the filter bypass valve opening when the oil is cold as well.

Or so I have inferred.