PP or Non-PP: Who's Got What POLL

[FoMoCoSHO]

I've had both, I like the HD parts, the suspension, and the wheel.

The suspension is firmer but it is not overly harsh, in fact, it seems much more composed over bumps and road irreguarities than non PP.

I detuned the Big Girl, drove a while till the trims normalized then got into the new one

Didn't detect any difference in quickness but there is a lot more torque steer, especially on WOT downshifts...

I actually think power is limited in first stock due to the tendency to spin, gonna turn it all off today and see how she behaves. Don't see more than 8 or 9 lbs of boost in 1st gear. 12-14 if allowed to get into higher gears.

Stock for stock power wise Torque says the new car has about 10 more HP and that should get better as the motor breaks in.

[IHeartGroceries]

Not sure how the steering wheels differ between trims, but I'm fairly disappointed in the quality of the wheel in my PP, with that alcantara s***. Not only is there accelerated wear on portions of the junk feeling leather, but also some "balding" spots on the alcantara sections. And I purposefully don't touch those areas, in an attempt at preservation!

Anybody else notice this on their wheels? Those of you with the alcantara on your seats, how is it holding up?

Torque steer is horrendous on my 13 PP. I know when I've mentioned this here before, it wasn't a general consensus between other members here. My previous car split power much better from f/r, and so there was essentially no torque steer at all. That makes high power AWD much nore fun and manageable. I'm sure it doesn't help that the front transaxle is open on this car. But, it's sure aggravating.

[FoMoCoSHO]

Not sure how the steering wheels differ between trims, but I'm fairly disappointed in the quality of the wheel in my PP, with that alcantara s***. Not only is there accelerated wear on portions of the junk feeling leather, but also some "balding" spots on the alcantara sections. And I purposefully don't touch those areas, in an attempt at preservation!

Anybody else notice this on their wheels? Those of you with the alcantara on your seats, how is it holding up?

Torque steer is horrendous on my 13 PP. I know when I've mentioned this here before, it wasn't a general consensus between other members here. My previous car split power much better from f/r, and so there was essentially no torque steer at all. That makes high power AWD much nore fun and manageable. I'm sure it doesn't help that the front transaxle is open on this car. But, it's sure aggravating.

The other car was lowered so I think that helped keep things planted but even stock there is a huge difference in the amount of torque steer. So yeah, the old one with far more power did not behave the way the PP equipped one does.

I love the alcantara wheel, no issues so far.

Concours John is going to treat the wheel when I have it Cquartzed cause it will surely be a dirt magnet.

[IHeartGroceries]

Any idea what his treatment might include?
The steering wheel is one of my least favorite qualities about the car, both aesthetically and functionally.

I love those sexy, NICE leather wrapped, flat bottomed wheels found in Audi. XD

[ZSHO]

 I had the 13 non PP and two weeks later traded it in for my current 13 PP and both were purchased new with the same color,what amazes me the only issues that are mostly brought up are the diffrences in braking,suspension,axel ratio,steering wheel,traction control,and to me personally the one difference that no one has brought up is the PP having a slightly better engine sound,considering both were purchased two weeks apart and bone stock,even my wife noticed.Z

[FoMoCoSHO]

Any idea what his treatment might include?
The steering wheel is one of my least favorite qualities about the car, both aesthetically and functionally.

I love those sexy, NICE leather wrapped, flat bottomed wheels found in Audi. XD

No, but I will find out and report back.

[FoMoCoSHO]

I had the 13 non PP and two weeks later traded it in for my current 13 PP and both were purchased new with the same color,what amazes me the only issues that are mostly brought up are the diffrences in braking,suspension,axel ratio,steering wheel,traction control,and to me personally the one difference that no one has brought up is the PP having a slightly better engine sound,considering both were purchased two weeks apart and bone stock,even my wife noticed.Z

Engine note changed quite drastically when I fueled up with V-power...

[IHeartGroceries]

I had the 13 non PP and two weeks later traded it in for my current 13 PP and both were purchased new with the same color,what amazes me the only issues that are mostly brought up are the diffrences in braking,suspension,axel ratio,steering wheel,traction control,and to me personally the one difference that no one has brought up is the PP having a slightly better engine sound,considering both were purchased two weeks apart and bone stock,even my wife noticed.Z

And another is the supposed "recalibrated" EPAS steering. Which, I definitely noticed between my PP and non PP test drive mules. However, I didn't notice any difference in engine loudness.*shrug*

[AJP turbo]

I had the 13 non PP and two weeks later traded it in for my current 13 PP and both were purchased new with the same color,what amazes me the only issues that are mostly brought up are the diffrences in braking,suspension,axel ratio,steering wheel,traction control,and to me personally the one difference that no one has brought up is the PP having a slightly better engine sound,considering both were purchased two weeks apart and bone stock,even my wife noticed.Z

Engine note changed quite drastically when I fueled up with V-power...

Not saying ur wrong but that's hard to believe the fuel would change anything...u sure the packing in the mufflers didn't get some heat and make the sound change ?

[vernonator]

Not sure how the steering wheels differ between trims, but I'm fairly disappointed in the quality of the wheel in my PP, with that alcantara s***. Not only is there accelerated wear on portions of the junk feeling leather, but also some "balding" spots on the alcantara sections. And I purposefully don't touch those areas, in an attempt at preservation!

Anybody else notice this on their wheels? Those of you with the alcantara on your seats, how is it holding up?

Torque steer is horrendous on my 13 PP. I know when I've mentioned this here before, it wasn't a general consensus between other members here. My previous car split power much better from f/r, and so there was essentially no torque steer at all. That makes high power AWD much nore fun and manageable. I'm sure it doesn't help that the front transaxle is open on this car. But, it's sure aggravating.

Torque steer? That's very interesting - I have a '12 PP and am tuned w/ livernois 4+/93 octane and catless DP's (so considerably more HP than stock) and I get NO torque steer at all, even if/when I turn off all the nannies. I can chirp the tires going from 1st - 2nd but no torque steer. Maybe your AWD is not working correctly? I would seriously take it to the dealer and have them check it out.

[ZSHO]

Not sure how the steering wheels differ between trims, but I'm fairly disappointed in the quality of the wheel in my PP, with that alcantara s***. Not only is there accelerated wear on portions of the junk feeling leather, but also some "balding" spots on the alcantara sections. And I purposefully don't touch those areas, in an attempt at preservation!

Anybody else notice this on their wheels? Those of you with the alcantara on your seats, how is it holding up?

Torque steer is horrendous on my 13 PP. I know when I've mentioned this here before, it wasn't a general consensus between other members here. My previous car split power much better from f/r, and so there was essentially no torque steer at all. That makes high power AWD much nore fun and manageable. I'm sure it doesn't help that the front transaxle is open on this car. But, it's sure aggravating.

I would honestly have to say speak with your service advisor maybe they can get you an updated steering wheel under warranty,cause its only going to get worse and something to take into consideration,mine is in excellkent shape with 22k on her,was planning to order some suede cleaner/conditioner to see if it helps any to retain any lost moisture especially affected by sunlight.Z

[SHOdded]

How To on Maintaining Suede & Alcantara:
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/21718-How-to-PROPERLY-Clean-and-Maintain-Suede-and-Alcantara
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/ask-expert-featuring-mike-phillips/22261-alcantara-cleaning.html#post276205

[FoMoCoSHO]

I had the 13 non PP and two weeks later traded it in for my current 13 PP and both were purchased new with the same color,what amazes me the only issues that are mostly brought up are the diffrences in braking,suspension,axel ratio,steering wheel,traction control,and to me personally the one difference that no one has brought up is the PP having a slightly better engine sound,considering both were purchased two weeks apart and bone stock,even my wife noticed.Z

Engine note changed quite drastically when I fueled up with V-power...

Not saying ur wrong but that's hard to believe the fuel would change anything...u sure the packing in the mufflers didn't get some heat and make the sound change ?

Isn't sound from the rear...

The WOT note change was pretty similar going untuned to tuned...

Really not surprising, car didn't like that crapgas, lots of +KR, even cruising at 40 MPH....

[anthonylee337]

Absolutely correct-I noticed my engine growl increase with 93 VPWR-wife did also

[IHeartGroceries]

I have to skepticism as well.
I know I've posted it here before, but many times gas between branded stations and even unbranded can share the same blendstock. While our treat rate of additive is significantly higher than most any other brand, you're talking about the difference of gas additive changing the audible noise from your engine. If your noisy GDI fuel systems quiets down, I can buy that.

We're talking about a few tablespoons of additive in your car's gas tank being the potential difference here...