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Ford Edge 3.5 EB Swap Project. SL EDGE Hammer

Started by SwampRat, May 21, 2014, 09:49:42 PM

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SwampRat

From best as I can tell both the base 3.5 duratec and 3.5EB block are very similar and share the same motor mounts and tranny mounts in the SHO and Flex

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So I am  thinking that it is pysically possible for the 3.5 EB  to fit into an AWD  Edge , since the 3.5 duratec in the Edge is the same as the base Taurus 3.5.


I've always liked the look and feel of the Edge .

Everyone here knows I like to be different  ... L O L

The Two major obstacles , IC choice and fitment , get one for a Flex or XSport or a custom made one. Then many modifications with grill area to fit it .

And then there is the ECM issue .
There are aftermarket ECM's that can  be used ..


Chewing on this idea seriously as a long term project.
2013 SHO  ....  not mine anymore

2021 Edge ST

JimiJak

Would that be in place of the Flex, or supplemental?
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FoMoCoSHO

Massive says the 2.0 ECO head is a direct bolt on for the 2.0/2.3 duratec.

I wonder if the same is true for the 3.5?

SwampRat

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Quote from: JimiJak on May 21, 2014, 09:51:20 PM
Would that be in place of the Flex, or supplemental?

In place of ,  plus a beater pickup .
2013 SHO  ....  not mine anymore

2021 Edge ST

SwampRat

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Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on May 21, 2014, 09:54:27 PM
Massive says the 2.0 ECO head is a direct bolt on for the 2.0/2.3 duratec.

I wonder if the same is true for the 3.5?

From the ouside the heads look very similar but I'm thinking a complete low mileage engine tranny pull from a salvage yard .
2013 SHO  ....  not mine anymore

2021 Edge ST

crash712us

This would be a very very big under taking. It where me I would be looking for a complete EB engine and trans and PTU to boot along with engine cradle. Now the electronics would probably next to impossible to figure out, but I believe stand alone ECM are out there now. More power to ya SR.

2011 tuxedo black non pp, LMS stage 5, Corsa cat back, LMS down pipes, Airaid, Alky control meth injection, Megan Racing coil overs, EBC rotor&pads, Mobsteel grill, 2013 trans cooler. 403whp 417wtq 12.25 @ 110

FoMoCoSHO


FoMoCoSHO

Quote from: crash712us on May 21, 2014, 10:14:15 PM
This would be a very very big under taking. It where me I would be looking for a complete EB engine and trans and PTU to boot along with engine cradle. Now the electronics would probably next to impossible to figure out, but I believe stand alone ECM are out there now. More power to ya SR.
I'm gonna take a wild guess that the BCM won't operate without the ECM in place.

crash712us

Not that I'd know anything about. But think maybe be able to fool edges ECM into thinking engine and everything is ok. And use after market engine management system to control the EB engine. If possible it would probably give you the most flexibility for tuning. I don't know how the do it, but I've seen guys that mod and tune BMW's and they use stand alone ECM's. So would assume they still are using the factory ECM for everything else.

2011 tuxedo black non pp, LMS stage 5, Corsa cat back, LMS down pipes, Airaid, Alky control meth injection, Megan Racing coil overs, EBC rotor&pads, Mobsteel grill, 2013 trans cooler. 403whp 417wtq 12.25 @ 110

EcoPowerParts

Good luck with your project but be prepared for this:
Face meet wall...
:)
I don't like to be negative but you're going to be the pioneer on this and it will be super expensive.
I get contacts all the time on my shop about transplanting EB into other chassis and I warn them away from it every time. The DI controller from Motek is SUPER EXPENSIVE, they're the only one I know about.
I would suggest maybe short block from EB, use Edge heads/intake manifold and upgrade injectors and fuel pump.
See if you can slap on the factory EB exhaust manifolds and turbos and then do custom exhaust.
To fit the IC I would look at a water to air as they can be very small for under 600HP, just need a small heat exchanger for the IC.
I would be this would be the easiest route.
You might even just see if the EB crank can fit into the block and then CP Carillo rods/pistons, you'll also want to swap the tranny internals into the other car.
Try and keep it on stock ECU as much as possible and stay away from DI, it's a PITA to upgrade.
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SwampRat

4DRHTRD  ..... So the base 3.5 duratec is not DI ?

A modified not necessarily eco  .. boosted 3.5 sounds easier as far as ECM stuff is concerned and Torrie can tune the  3.5 duratec , he tuned Lansons .
2013 SHO  ....  not mine anymore

2021 Edge ST

EcoPowerParts

No 3.5 duratec is PFI
Yes you can tune the 3.5 duratec fof boost, lots of boosted Mustangs. :)
Readily available injectors and fuel pumps for it.
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SwampRat

Quote from: 4DRHTRD on May 21, 2014, 11:28:59 PM
No 3.5 duratec is PFI
Yes you can tune the 3.5 duratec fof boost, lots of boosted Mustangs. :)
Readily available injectors and fuel pumps for it.

Mustangs have the 3.7 duratec dont they , same engine basically I think ?
2013 SHO  ....  not mine anymore

2021 Edge ST

EcoPowerParts

Yes and yes

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SwampRat

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Project  SLEDGEHammer


There are several 2012 low milage AWD EDGE's I've been eyeballing lately.

I've made up my Mind , a non eco ..... Boosted EDGE with the Heart and Soul of a SHO !
2013 SHO  ....  not mine anymore

2021 Edge ST