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Livernois Motorsports 3.5 Ecoboost engine build with upgraded rods and pistons

Started by Livernois Motorsports, May 13, 2014, 02:08:10 PM

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Livernois Motorsports

The horsepower numbers listed are based on observations of failed engines that we've received at various different power levels. Based on the types of failures, along with the corresponding power levels these engines were at during the failures, we're able to draw up an estimate for the max power capabilities. Like any estimate it's an educated guess based on the data we have to work with. In this case seeing the modes of failure spread out across multiple engines gives a good indication of what the limits are.

Like anything though there are variables that affect these kinds of things, you can take a stock Big Block Chevy out of an old truck and add parts and Nitrous to it and make over 700hp, but how long realistically before it blow's up. I think the term "ticking time bomb" is probably most appropriate in that scenario.

So this isn't to say that as soon as a 3.5L ecoboost hits 450whp for the first time it's guaranteed instant kaboom. But we do know that once you get around that horsepower number that we see a lot of failures in stock engines, so that must be right around the limit before things start failing. Knowing this we try and make an effort to educate the customer so they understand the implications of power at these levels, and that an engine failure at higher power levels like these with a stock engine is entirely possible and in fact likely to occur.

It's important to keep in mind that when the OEM is designing the engine they are only trying to meet the performance criteria for that specific application, while at the same time keeping costs as low as possible. So adding extra strength to components to handle power levels that exceed the stock power output is almost never an option. It would add cost in most cases and is unnessary, because to the OEM, they have no reason to worry about the engine beyond the stock power output. They'll design it to handle exactly the power output in factory form, then add a small percentage for a safety factor. This is why it's easy to get away with a mild tune and bolt on's on almost any stock vehicle. But as soon as you push outside of the smaller power gains over stock, you'll most likely be pushing the engine to it's limits in stock form.

Attached are some photo's of some recent builds, as well as some shots of the machine and engine shop.

Thanks



- edited by 4DRHTRD to fix the title - was ernoise changed to Livernois

SRT82ECOBOOST

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ShoBoat

Curious, how much power will the new builds handle?


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explorergotoluvit

so rods and pistons are what is going out first then right? and nothing else?
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JimiJak

This topic has been moved under your vendor threads.
The move is not a slight against you or your company. We appreciate all of the research you are doing, and the time you put into our EB engines, but until evidence of your claims is posted this is purely subjective, not "news".

Your company is not alone. All of the vendors are now being held to a standard of a zero-tolerance policy for unsubstantiated claims. If you are going to make a claim as a vendor, you must also post the scientific findings or empirical data that have lead you to that claim.

Thank you for your understanding and cooperation in moving forward.

-JimiJak
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2013 SHO PP in White Platinum Metallic Tricoat, PPE Downpipes, Livernois Stage V8/3 Bar, Custom 2.5" Catback, 170 T-stat, Airaid CAI, H+R Springs and debadged
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roushed

I don't find anything wrong with that

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explorergotoluvit

Quote from: SRT82ECOBOOST on May 13, 2014, 08:27:29 PM
And here we go again.
maybe it needs to be put like this for you: leave the forum if wanting to understand there claims feel free. There is nothing wrong with it. And if you recall i was the first to be pissed off that they were taken off venders so I'm not bashing them. Its understanding more of what they come out with thats all. Well there are some that have done their work and contest their clams but that should be fine too right? not to you
2013 explorer sport
LMS tuner stat 160 3 bar magna flow v8 91 map
k&n H&R spring
retrofit FXR bi-xenon projectors done by lightwerkz 
all lights replaced with leds from daytimebrightlites

2010SHOtime

Livernoise, I'm excited to see you guys are looking to sustain and improve the longevity of these engines.

Keep up the good work!
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SRT82ECOBOOST

LMS  basically stated that all of us need to be conservative with our/their tunes to protect us from possible engine failure. Push an engine to its extreme limits and try to attempt any kind of longevity with this approach and you will be buying a lot of new parts. This is not new ground that they are referencing, so I don't understand confusion.
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JimiJak

Quote from: 2010SHOtime on May 13, 2014, 08:55:46 PM
Livernoise, I'm excited to see you guys are looking to sustain and improve the longevity of these engines.

Keep up the good work!

I couldn't agree more! I just hope we're able to take a more active role in the process as well.
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explorergotoluvit

Quote from: JimiJak on May 13, 2014, 09:06:06 PM
Quote from: 2010SHOtime on May 13, 2014, 08:55:46 PM
Livernoise, I'm excited to see you guys are looking to sustain and improve the longevity of these engines.

Keep up the good work!

I couldn't agree more! I just hope we're able to take a more active role in the process as well.
Not going to happen with the people that don't want to see proof on what they say. And that the funny part why don't they want know where that company is coming from its a big company and just wanting more info
2013 explorer sport
LMS tuner stat 160 3 bar magna flow v8 91 map
k&n H&R spring
retrofit FXR bi-xenon projectors done by lightwerkz 
all lights replaced with leds from daytimebrightlites

explorergotoluvit

I hope i get my question answered up top of this post by them and not get caught up in your [SRT82ECOBOOST] bullsh*t that is all over there post now
2013 explorer sport
LMS tuner stat 160 3 bar magna flow v8 91 map
k&n H&R spring
retrofit FXR bi-xenon projectors done by lightwerkz 
all lights replaced with leds from daytimebrightlites

SRT82ECOBOOST

Quote from: explorergotoluvit on May 13, 2014, 09:27:41 PM
I hope i get my question answered up top of this post by them and not get caught up in your [SRT82ECOBOOST] bullsh*t that is all over there post now
You certainly have a way with words. In due time I would be willing to bet that LMS will answer your questions as they have consistently done on this forum.
2013 SHO PP in White Platinum Metallic Tricoat, PPE Downpipes, Livernois Stage V8/3 Bar, Custom 2.5" Catback, 170 T-stat, Airaid CAI, H+R Springs and debadged
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