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explorergotoluvit

March 08, 2014, 01:54:13 PM
2013+ EXPLORER SPORT MYCALIBR8OR TUNER / CAI / 160* THERMOSTAT COMBO

So why are they using this now over the 170
2013 explorer sport
LMS tuner stat 160 3 bar magna flow v8 91 map
k&n H&R spring
retrofit FXR bi-xenon projectors done by lightwerkz 
all lights replaced with leds from daytimebrightlites

bigmoneycloser

#1
March 08, 2014, 01:59:35 PM
They posted about this earlier..
This new 160 is a direct OEM replacement first off. And then they said, it helps get them even cooler..

I have the 170, and will just leave it be for now.


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22x10.5 Vossen CVT- powder coated Matte Graphite
Pirelli Scorpion Zero Asimmetrico 285/35/22
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SwampRat

#2
March 08, 2014, 02:14:13 PM
Its a Livernoise thing .....
I'm staying with my 170° Reiche t-stat .
2013 SHO  ....  not mine anymore

2021 Edge ST

SHOdded

#3
March 08, 2014, 02:16:44 PM
Maybe trying to get cooling similar to meth injection?  IDK.
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If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

explorergotoluvit

#4
March 08, 2014, 02:17:11 PM
so what are the temps that make this useful because i live in utah and most of the time is colder and three months out of the year is warmer so im just trying figure out if it is worth it to get it?
2013 explorer sport
LMS tuner stat 160 3 bar magna flow v8 91 map
k&n H&R spring
retrofit FXR bi-xenon projectors done by lightwerkz 
all lights replaced with leds from daytimebrightlites

bigmoneycloser

#5
March 08, 2014, 02:31:14 PM
If you already have a 170.. I would stay. If you are all stock and getting their tune and stuff... I would get the 160.


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2014 Explorer Sport 401A
22x10.5 Vossen CVT- powder coated Matte Graphite
Pirelli Scorpion Zero Asimmetrico 285/35/22
H & R lowering springs/LMS 93 high boost/AirAid CAI/170* thermostat/3 Bar Map Sensor/Full LED interior /HID head and fog lights/weather tech digital floor mats/SharkFin antena/custom Billet foot pedals/Wilwood big brake kit/ LMS-Corsa CatBack Exhaust/LMS Catted Downpipes

SwampRat

#6
March 08, 2014, 02:45:02 PM Last Edit: March 08, 2014, 06:39:47 PM by SwampRat
This issue has been discussed with much heated debate between Livernois and Reiche .
I suggest reading in its entirety the following post and come to you own conclusions .

http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php?topic=2197.msg31799#msg31799

I personally am staying with the Reiche 170° t-stat until I see evidence or a write up from someone else supporting Livernois's claim .....
2013 SHO  ....  not mine anymore

2021 Edge ST

mjhpadi

#7
March 08, 2014, 02:58:38 PM
I still have the stock thermostat and have not made a decision one way or the other, I'm really happy with my car currently, however, I am not opposed to the 160 if there is a benefit, but would have to change the tune and I am not sure if the tune with the fan changes will work on my older SCT tuner and I don't think it would be worth the extra money if I have to buy a new tuner just to turn the fans on earlier...and when I last checked LMS said there wasn't any updates for the tune I'm running....
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Replaced by 2020 Hertiage Edition GT-350

DJE624

#8
March 08, 2014, 06:16:11 PM
I'll be trying out the 160.  Hopefully next week.  I was totally fine with the 170 but LMS made me an offer I couldn't refuse, to try it out.  I will be posting a thread on the whole install with pics and before and after results testing the coolant temps and effect on interior heat.  From what LMS has told me, they felt that the 170 was too close to the 180 stock stat to really make a significant difference.  The 160 will. 

FoMoCoSHO

#9
March 08, 2014, 07:33:36 PM
DJ, can you go ahead and test your heat coming out of the vents now and I will do the same with my stock T-stat?

I would also like to see if the 160 throws a CEL on a stock tune as I'm not interested in messing up the emissions on my car past removing the 3rd cat, hence my catted PPE's.

Anything that has to be "tuned out" to fool emissions readiness is a no go for me.

DJE624

#10
March 08, 2014, 08:06:32 PM
I have no way to measure the actual temperature coming out of my vents but I am having no trouble getting enough heat without having to turn up the control.  (We have had sub-zero temps since I swapped the 170)  If I think of it, I will get a probe thremometer.

I suppose it is possible that a 160 could throw a code but I doubt it.  The tune adjustment for T Stats is only for fan control as far as I know. 

FoMoCoSHO

#11
March 08, 2014, 08:15:06 PM
Quote from: DJE624 on March 08, 2014, 08:06:32 PM
I have no way to measure the actual temperature coming out of my vents but I am having no trouble getting enough heat without having to turn up the control.  (We have had sub-zero temps since I swapped the 170)  If I think of it, I will get a probe thremometer.

I suppose it is possible that a 160 could throw a code but I doubt it.  The tune adjustment for T Stats is only for fan control as far as I know.
I'm just going to shove my cooking thermometer in the vent and drive around.

The ECM goes into closed loop very quickly after startup so there may be no issue with emissions. But if the car stays in open loop, it will kill your MPG and open loop is a preset table that I wouldn't want to be playing with WOT.

BiGMaC

#12
March 08, 2014, 08:31:57 PM
Maybe someone... (the owner of an OBD2 reader?, LMS?).... can tell us if there is a code related to the 160 degree T-stat.

Just thinking about it, I don't see why it would cause a CEL if running a cold engine at 0 degrees ambient and block temp doesn't ...unless it was some differential temp reading I'm ignorant about....

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DJE624

#13
March 08, 2014, 08:34:37 PM
Good Point Tom.
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