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anyone tried to run a different intake tube w/ stock airbox ?

Started by 68_GT, December 05, 2013, 03:06:03 PM

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thatsmrgimp2u

The tb inlet pipe isn't cheap... Its $160 bucks on fords website. Probably better off buying part of the hotpipe kit.
2011 ISM SHO;  SCT X3 (Unleashed), Airaid Intake, PPE Downpipes, Magnaflow Mufflers and X-pipe with Vibrant resonators, 170 Thermostat, H&R Springs, RX CSS
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BiGMaC

First, I am completely aware of the dynos (albeit not on '13 SHOs by any of the major manufacturers) that are available for K&N, AirAid, and Hennessey CAIs and have corresponded with all of them.  I'm not trying to debate the idea of a CAI or dis anyone at all, yes... denser air means more power, and there are other reasons than just air to have one. This is just what happened.... and my thoughts on what else we need to know.

Here's an interesting performance fact... at least on my '13 SHO... regarding turbo inlets/air induction. During the testing done recently on multiple sets of downpipes at Black Market Racing (thanks 4DR)  using my SHO with stock tune we did this test:

On one occasion after the pull with the pipes we completely disconnected the air intake box from the "saxophone" turbo intake... no filter, no box, and the hood was up with a fan blowing on the engine, temp was about 79 degrees and humidity was about 30%...... Just the  big open pipe drawing air.

We were astonished that the difference was less than 3 HP when compared to the pull with the OEM Ford induction in place... This was with stock tune and no other performance mods on the car at the time.

After I get tuned (with down pipe adjustment, but all O2 sensors on) we will be testing all the pipes again as we feel the gains will be larger.  I hope Mike and Jeremy will be agreeable to testing at this time.  I actually am starting to feel that the major restriction is after the SHO filter box.  If the tune doesn't make a difference I'll be pretty sure that we need to work at least as hard on the portion of the air induction after the filter.  In fact I think bpd decided this when he built his "one of" custom CAI.

•2013 Taurus SHO nonPP - All Ford factory options, 3BAR MAP, LMS v8 tune (mods for 3BAR, DPs, and T-stat), Paint & plastic correction, CQuart finest all exterior surfaces, limo black window tint,VLED Triton switchbacks, Daytime BrightLites switchback DRLs, full interior and exterior LED conversion, Lamin-X charcoal blackout tail lights and reflectors, PPE catted and coated downpipes, EBPP coated hotpipes with BoVs VTA, MDesign CAI
•2013 F250 CC Lariat 6.7EB Diesel -stock

FoMoCoSHO

Quote from: BiGMaC on March 02, 2014, 10:14:23 PM


We were astonished that the difference was less than 3 HP when compared to the pull with the OEM Ford induction in place... This was with stock tune and no other performance mods on the car at the time.



This doesn't surprise me.

The stock piece may not be flashy but it is very well engineered especially when it comes to heat soak.

The only reason I reinstalled my k&n is for sound and I like how it looks.

The question is where CAI manufacturers are pulling their "dyno" numbers from.

My guess is out of their sphincters, and this proves it.

Has anyone paid close attention to the POS dyno graph k&n provides?

It's conveniently missing some needed data.


SHOdded

And I am sure you can get a 3-4 mpg improvement in fuel economy too just by changing to a CAI kit.
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

FoMoCoSHO

Quote from: SHOdded on March 03, 2014, 01:52:28 AM
And I am sure you can get a 3-4 mpg improvement in fuel economy too just by changing to a CAI kit.
I did not.

I swear the car has better throttle response with the stock intake, which will be going back on when the temps rise.






DJE624

I think Shodded was kidding.

I put my stock box back in.

SwampRat

Quote from: DJE624 on March 04, 2014, 11:32:35 PM
I think Shodded was kidding.

I put my stock box back in.
yup

yup


but it don't sound cool ....
2013 SHO  ....  not mine anymore

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DJE624

I did not care for the sound.  The pipes sound much better.

BiGMaC

Quote from: DJE624 on March 04, 2014, 11:53:22 PM
I did not care for the sound.  The pipes sound much better.

I love the sound with all the plumbing done and the VTA... Much more aggressive with the noise maker gone, like a larger engine almost, and the sound is more with me and beside me, rather than in front of me, when I accelerate hard at any speed, but completely quiet cruising.

•2013 Taurus SHO nonPP - All Ford factory options, 3BAR MAP, LMS v8 tune (mods for 3BAR, DPs, and T-stat), Paint & plastic correction, CQuart finest all exterior surfaces, limo black window tint,VLED Triton switchbacks, Daytime BrightLites switchback DRLs, full interior and exterior LED conversion, Lamin-X charcoal blackout tail lights and reflectors, PPE catted and coated downpipes, EBPP coated hotpipes with BoVs VTA, MDesign CAI
•2013 F250 CC Lariat 6.7EB Diesel -stock

68_GT

Quote from: BiGMaC on March 05, 2014, 12:24:14 AM
Quote from: DJE624 on March 04, 2014, 11:53:22 PM
I did not care for the sound.  The pipes sound much better.

I love the sound with all the plumbing done and the VTA... Much more aggressive with the noise maker gone, like a larger engine almost, and the sound is more with me and beside me when I accelerate hard at any speed, but completely quiet cruising.

you say noise maker, but it's actually a baffle to quieten the intake noise right ?

DJE why did you remove yours ? "the pipes sound much better" ?? downpipes / exhaust sound ?
2013 PP SHO LMS 93V10 tune, 170* T stat, 3bar, K&N drop in, plugs re-gapped, 4in exhaust tips.
UPDATE - 130K miles =blown engine. Unleashed tune and EBPP upgrade turbo billet wheels / Turbo Smart WGA's on a bran new long block. Let's get this SHO on the road !

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BiGMaC

Quote from: 68_GT on March 05, 2014, 01:30:53 AM
Quote from: BiGMaC on March 05, 2014, 12:24:14 AM
Quote from: DJE624 on March 04, 2014, 11:53:22 PM
I did not care for the sound.  The pipes sound much better.

I love the sound with all the plumbing done and the VTA... Much more aggressive with the noise maker gone, like a larger engine almost, and the sound is more with me and beside me when I accelerate hard at any speed, but completely quiet cruising.

you say noise maker, but it's actually a baffle to quieten the intake noise right ?

DJE why did you remove yours ? "the pipes sound much better" ?? downpipes / exhaust sound ?

it's actually a resonator on the high pressure side branching off the tubing to make noise during acceleration... like those things you blow into at parties.......

•2013 Taurus SHO nonPP - All Ford factory options, 3BAR MAP, LMS v8 tune (mods for 3BAR, DPs, and T-stat), Paint & plastic correction, CQuart finest all exterior surfaces, limo black window tint,VLED Triton switchbacks, Daytime BrightLites switchback DRLs, full interior and exterior LED conversion, Lamin-X charcoal blackout tail lights and reflectors, PPE catted and coated downpipes, EBPP coated hotpipes with BoVs VTA, MDesign CAI
•2013 F250 CC Lariat 6.7EB Diesel -stock

68_GT

Quote from: BiGMaC on March 05, 2014, 01:35:40 AM
it's actually a resonator on the high pressure side branching off the tubing to make noise during acceleration... like those things you blow into at parties.......

yeah so it's not a "noisemaker" it quietens it and by removing it you get more sound. Right ? conflicting info threw me off.

things you blow into at parties ?! made me think of the kazoo my 3 year old had after a bday party over this past weekend. Maybe I'll go connect it to my BOV's :)
2013 PP SHO LMS 93V10 tune, 170* T stat, 3bar, K&N drop in, plugs re-gapped, 4in exhaust tips.
UPDATE - 130K miles =blown engine. Unleashed tune and EBPP upgrade turbo billet wheels / Turbo Smart WGA's on a bran new long block. Let's get this SHO on the road !

2013 Fusion Titanium 2.0 EB daily driver ;) - LMS 93 tune and CPE intercooler

DJE624

The "noise maker"  is actually a sound director.  It is meant to send sound towards the cockpit.  It is not a baffle or noise reducer.  The pipes I was referring to are the down pipes.  Mine are non catted and produce a very nice low tone a little louder than the stock catted pipes.  They make the engine sound pretty close to the way a V-8 sounds, under acceleration in the cockpit and at an idle out back.  I think they sound fantastic with the stock exhaust.  Not loud at all but, a nice deep tone.

Needmoreboost

First off dyno's numbers can be skewed a number of ways.  A lot of guy's run a lower octane fuel on stock map and then switch to premium fuel on the "tuned" version.  Be leary if the tuned and non tuned runs where not back to back.  Secondly, most dyno's make the runs with the hood open.  This is not how cars run on the street.  Only way to really test heat soak is in a live "on road" environment.  JMO.
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SwampRat

Quote from: Needmoreboost on March 05, 2014, 10:20:20 AM
First off dyno's numbers can be skewed a number of ways.  A lot .if the tuned and non tuned runs where not back to back.  Secondly, most dyno's make the runs with the hood open.  This is not how cars run on the street.  Only way to really test heat soak is in a live "on road" environment.  JMO.

VERY GOOD point about dynos with hood open  ... its easy to  direct cool air to  the intake and reduce engine bay heat .
2013 SHO  ....  not mine anymore

2021 Edge ST