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After Market BOV Recommendations....?

Started by bpd1151, August 28, 2013, 02:54:35 PM

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Jtrain

Did we ever get a solution for this? I've got quite a few boosted toys, and I really enjoy having them all have them same blow off (Currently Tial-Q).

These electronic blow offs are just so stupid, and they don't sound good. I hope that these ecoboost stangs will get some of these real shops off their ass and develop some parts for these easy issues.
2004 G35: Built Motor 8.8:1, Single Disc Kevlar Clutch, 3" Dual Turbo Back, G18 Twin Turbos, 18PSI, 600 Wheel HP
2007 Jeep SRT8 13.4 @104 Sold for....
2014 Ford Explorer Sport: K&N, .030 NGK plugs, 170 Tstat, 3Bar sensor, Tuned with SCT Tuner

navbtcret

Quote from: Jtrain on December 27, 2014, 09:33:44 AM
Did we ever get a solution for this? I've got quite a few boosted toys, and I really enjoy having them all have them same blow off (Currently Tial-Q).

These electronic blow offs are just so stupid, and they don't sound good. I hope that these ecoboost stangs will get some of these real shops off their ass and develop some parts for these easy issues.

I am running the TiAL blow off valve for about 6 months now. Make sure you get the right spring though or it will be open at idle. I am using the yellow spring.
2013 SHO Non PP, LMS 93 Performance v8, 3 Bar MAP, 170 Stat, MDesign CAI, Hot Pipes with TiAL BOV, PPE Catted Downpipes

Jtrain

Quote from: navbtcret on December 27, 2014, 10:00:50 AM
Quote from: Jtrain on December 27, 2014, 09:33:44 AM
Did we ever get a solution for this? I've got quite a few boosted toys, and I really enjoy having them all have them same blow off (Currently Tial-Q).

These electronic blow offs are just so stupid, and they don't sound good. I hope that these ecoboost stangs will get some of these real shops off their ass and develop some parts for these easy issues.

I am running the TiAL blow off valve for about 6 months now. Make sure you get the right spring though or it will be open at idle. I am using the yellow spring.

I'm very familiar with how a spring operated bov works. My questions were around where to acquire these "Hot pipes" (If anyone even made them for xsports) and if anything was done about the computer / codes.
2004 G35: Built Motor 8.8:1, Single Disc Kevlar Clutch, 3" Dual Turbo Back, G18 Twin Turbos, 18PSI, 600 Wheel HP
2007 Jeep SRT8 13.4 @104 Sold for....
2014 Ford Explorer Sport: K&N, .030 NGK plugs, 170 Tstat, 3Bar sensor, Tuned with SCT Tuner

BiGMaC

#18
Quote from: Jtrain on December 27, 2014, 10:24:27 AM
Quote from: navbtcret on December 27, 2014, 10:00:50 AM
Quote from: Jtrain on December 27, 2014, 09:33:44 AM
Did we ever get a solution for this? I've got quite a few boosted toys, and I really enjoy having them all have them same blow off (Currently Tial-Q).

These electronic blow offs are just so stupid, and they don't sound good. I hope that these ecoboost stangs will get some of these real shops off their ass and develop some parts for these easy issues.

I am running the TiAL blow off valve for about 6 months now. Make sure you get the right spring though or it will be open at idle. I am using the yellow spring.

I'm very familiar with how a spring operated bov works. My questions were around where to acquire these "Hot pipes" (If anyone even made them for xsports) and if anything was done about the computer / codes.

I don't know whether they are made for the X-port... but on the transverse 3.5TT EB GDI engine the rear factory electric BOV must be left connected regardless of any mods or the engine will throw DTC and CEL regardless of tuning or how many time you clear it... the front can be removed.  The hotpipes made by PPE for Ecopowerparts (now sold through Black market Racing) can be had for either factory BOV or Tial mechanical BOV.  In the mechanical version the Tial VTA is from the IC to throttle body pipe In the electric version the Factory BOVs mount in OEM positions  on the preintercooler hotpipes but are VTA with a large opening for the blowoff.

I am unaware of any dyno or track testing in the Flex or SHO showing one superior to the other as far as performance.  The ease of use in tuning and amount of IC condensation of oil and fuel may be another debate. A catch can solution for the PCV/CC blowby is available from many manufacturers and there are numerous threads here on these.

I am running these hotpipes with factory electric BOVs without a problem.. I prefer the aesthetics (I have nothing under the engine cover just zip tied and doing nothing). and function is great as far as sound (I'm asked by other drivers what that Pffft sound was) and performance (0-60 in 4 sec or less consistently).

VTA, IMHO, is more than just the sound... if you recirculate the blowoff then you send the volatilized oil, etc. that you compressed (from CC blowby via PCV system dumping into the intake air) back for another pass over the turbo blades... This would increase coking of the blades and perhaps increased deposits...at least make it more rapid than VTA... and could result in more condensation in the IC. So I believe VTA actually protects your engine and helps preserve performance in the GDI... In the mechanical version the Tial VTA is from the IC to throttle body pipe... don't believe this location matters except that a catch can is more important if you're worried about sending a gulp of liquid to the engine and it is easier to access when you are changing springs.

•2013 Taurus SHO nonPP - All Ford factory options, 3BAR MAP, LMS v8 tune (mods for 3BAR, DPs, and T-stat), Paint & plastic correction, CQuart finest all exterior surfaces, limo black window tint,VLED Triton switchbacks, Daytime BrightLites switchback DRLs, full interior and exterior LED conversion, Lamin-X charcoal blackout tail lights and reflectors, PPE catted and coated downpipes, EBPP coated hotpipes with BoVs VTA, MDesign CAI
•2013 F250 CC Lariat 6.7EB Diesel -stock

Jtrain

#19
I looked at that website previously and didn't see any ecoboost parts. It appears it's under construction now that I look again.

I understand there's no performance benefit, and the idea of keeping the surge out of your turbo's is just good practice at best.

What I hate about E-BOVs is it blows off when it shouldn't, especially under heavy-load like highway driving. My BOVs open while I've got cruise control on and going up an overpass... like.. seriously?

This truck is pretty cool, but I'm used to JDM aftermarket... not domestic 36k warranty- so I'm trying to find a happy medium for a daily driver, a proper BoV will go a long way for me. (Plus it'll match my G35 and jetski ^_^)


EDIT:

Got a youtube video of your ride? I'd love to hear a real BoV properly done on an eco boost motor.
2004 G35: Built Motor 8.8:1, Single Disc Kevlar Clutch, 3" Dual Turbo Back, G18 Twin Turbos, 18PSI, 600 Wheel HP
2007 Jeep SRT8 13.4 @104 Sold for....
2014 Ford Explorer Sport: K&N, .030 NGK plugs, 170 Tstat, 3Bar sensor, Tuned with SCT Tuner

BiGMaC

Quote from: Jtrain on December 27, 2014, 11:30:55 AM
I looked at that website previously and didn't see any ecoboost parts. It appears it's under construction now that I look again.

I understand there's no performance benefit, and the idea of keeping the surge out of your turbo's is just good practice at best.

What I hate about E-BOVs is it blows off when it shouldn't, especially under heavy-load like highway driving. My BOVs open while I've got cruise control on and going up an overpass... like.. seriously?

This truck is pretty cool, but I'm used to JDM aftermarket... not domestic 36k warranty- so I'm trying to find a happy medium for a daily driver, a proper BoV will go a long way for me. (Plus it'll match my G35 and jetski ^_^)


EDIT:

Got a youtube video of your ride? I'd love to hear a real BoV properly done on an eco boost motor.

Sorry,  No video... The SHO is so quiet the radio drowns BOVs out... need to try to get a driveby, 'cuz like I said other drivers have asked me because they heard it in their cars.

As far as the hotpipes... a lot of pics in the install video I posted here: http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,2248.msg32460.html#msg32460

There are pictures of the Tial set up installed later in the thread also.

Ralph or 4DR should be able to help you with these... As a last resort, the manufacturer was Paul Prentiss at PPE in Tempe AZ

•2013 Taurus SHO nonPP - All Ford factory options, 3BAR MAP, LMS v8 tune (mods for 3BAR, DPs, and T-stat), Paint & plastic correction, CQuart finest all exterior surfaces, limo black window tint,VLED Triton switchbacks, Daytime BrightLites switchback DRLs, full interior and exterior LED conversion, Lamin-X charcoal blackout tail lights and reflectors, PPE catted and coated downpipes, EBPP coated hotpipes with BoVs VTA, MDesign CAI
•2013 F250 CC Lariat 6.7EB Diesel -stock