Charger Hellcat is Announced - Fastest 4 Door!?!

[wasinger3000]

If I had 110k cash to drop on a car I'd be sure to peddle a boat load of cash at it for mods.

[kinder]

Right now I would wager the Hellcat is the fastest stock sedan. The RS7 is fast but it stock trim it is not pulling low 11's. With a few mods sure but not stock.

But it is like 175% the price. And that's what makes this thing a beast. It is cheap HP. Sure we can make our cars compete against it but not easily and cheaply with full warranties. Hell, I can take a 06 STI and turn it into a 10 sec car for less than the cost of our cars. Doesn't mean I want to drive one.

For the price it is a good deal. I think we are seeing these cars as the last 'hurrah' before we lose the big monster gas guzzler motors to the new fuel requirement laws that are just over the horizon. We will see some new hybrid, electric and even hydrogen cars hitting the showroom floors soon.

Some will give the terms "sport" car/ sedan new meanings. Like the P1 and the 918 are doing in the supercar world.

[wasinger3000]

You can make huge power and still be fuel efficient. It just costs more to make it happen.

Look at the 2.0 AMG has created. It makes 360 hp. That's 181 hp per liter of engine. That's more than any production engine yet it still gets 31 mpg. We don't need 6.4L supercharged engines to reach break neck speeds. Find new ways to make materials lighter. Build a high quality twin turbo 3L v8 and you will have stunning results.

[PokerMunkee]

haha

[ShoBoat]

You can make huge power and still be fuel efficient. It just costs more to make it happen.

Look at the 2.0 AMG has created. It makes 360 hp. That's 181 hp per liter of engine. That's more than any production engine yet it still gets 31 mpg. We don't need 6.4L supercharged engines to reach break neck speeds. Find new ways to make materials lighter. Build a high quality twin turbo 3L v8 and you will have stunning results.

Apparently Mikes SHO can make 700 at the crank. That's 200hp per litre. That's what we freaking need in the SHO!

[wasinger3000]

You can make huge power and still be fuel efficient. It just costs more to make it happen.

Look at the 2.0 AMG has created. It makes 360 hp. That's 181 hp per liter of engine. That's more than any production engine yet it still gets 31 mpg. We don't need 6.4L supercharged engines to reach break neck speeds. Find new ways to make materials lighter. Build a high quality twin turbo 3L v8 and you will have stunning results.

Apparently Mikes SHO can make 700 at the crank. That's 200hp per litre. That's what we freaking need in the SHO!

That and have the engine face the correct way hah.

I still cannot find a car under 70k that is awd with a sub 5 sec 0-60.... it's annoying.

[ShoBoat]

You can make huge power and still be fuel efficient. It just costs more to make it happen.

Look at the 2.0 AMG has created. It makes 360 hp. That's 181 hp per liter of engine. That's more than any production engine yet it still gets 31 mpg. We don't need 6.4L supercharged engines to reach break neck speeds. Find new ways to make materials lighter. Build a high quality twin turbo 3L v8 and you will have stunning results.

Apparently Mikes SHO can make 700 at the crank. That's 200hp per litre. That's what we freaking need in the SHO!

That and have the engine face the correct way hah.

I still cannot find a car under 70k that is awd with a sub 5 sec 0-60.... it's annoying.

Sure you can, get an S4 and tune the crap out if it. It will pull low 12s most of the time lol.

[wasinger3000]

You can make huge power and still be fuel efficient. It just costs more to make it happen.

Look at the 2.0 AMG has created. It makes 360 hp. That's 181 hp per liter of engine. That's more than any production engine yet it still gets 31 mpg. We don't need 6.4L supercharged engines to reach break neck speeds. Find new ways to make materials lighter. Build a high quality twin turbo 3L v8 and you will have stunning results.

Apparently Mikes SHO can make 700 at the crank. That's 200hp per litre. That's what we freaking need in the SHO!

That and have the engine face the correct way hah.

I still cannot find a car under 70k that is awd with a sub 5 sec 0-60.... it's annoying.

Sure you can, get an S4 and tune the crap out if it. It will pull low 12s most of the time lol.

Ehhh not a a fan of it tbh. Considering you can take a 335i xdrive with the m sport package and make it faster with just a tune and a few parts. The 335 is cheaper to start with, insurance is cheaper, and I like it's looks more. A stock 335 m sport will 0-60 in 4.5. I could buy a used 14 will all the goodies for only 8k more than my cars worth. But I'd like to start with something higher on the speed chain.

Everything else is crazy expensive. Like the beloved E63....

[kinder]

You can make huge power and still be fuel efficient. It just costs more to make it happen.

Look at the 2.0 AMG has created. It makes 360 hp. That's 181 hp per liter of engine. That's more than any production engine yet it still gets 31 mpg. We don't need 6.4L supercharged engines to reach break neck speeds. Find new ways to make materials lighter. Build a high quality twin turbo 3L v8 and you will have stunning results.

Its not about making power. That's easy. Mazda had a rotary that made 260hp out of a 1.3liter. Mitsubishi EVO X 2.0l @ 440hp (crushes the AMG 181/liter) and there are more.

But these hellcats harken back to a day where V8's ruled. Back to a time where the adage was "there is NO replacement for displacement." When people go buy a Mustang/ Camero/ Vette they don't want a 2.7l V6 even if it is quicker than a mid nineties V8. They want the V8.

It's like transmissions. Not to long ago it was manual over a 'slush box.' Now days a Sports car guy wants a manual because he is in control. A Performance car guy wants the DCS electronic system because it is faster than any manual tranny. Even F1 doesn't allow fully automated trannies as they 'take away from the skill of the driver' and not because they are too slow.

Mark my words.... 2040 we won't see manual transmissions in anything but classic cars.

[kinder]

I still cannot find a car under 70k that is awd with a sub 5 sec 0-60.... it's annoying.

Subaru STI... 4.9 stock trim... $40k USD
2013 RS3 Sedan will be under 5s and under 60k USD

I'm sure there are more but can't think of them right now.

[ShoBoat]

In 2040 we won't see a V8 either. I do miss my 71 Vette, 454 4 speed rock crusher. No nannies at all lol. Not even a proportioning valve for the brakes. Holding that steady took skill and a lot if practice. The whole idea of launch control I think takes the fun out of it.   

[wasinger3000]

You can make huge power and still be fuel efficient. It just costs more to make it happen.

Look at the 2.0 AMG has created. It makes 360 hp. That's 181 hp per liter of engine. That's more than any production engine yet it still gets 31 mpg. We don't need 6.4L supercharged engines to reach break neck speeds. Find new ways to make materials lighter. Build a high quality twin turbo 3L v8 and you will have stunning results.

Its not about making power. That's easy. Mazda had a rotary that made 260hp out of a 1.3liter. Mitsubishi EVO X 2.0l @ 440hp (crushes the AMG 181/liter) and there are more.

But these hellcats harken back to a day where V8's ruled. Back to a time where the adage was "there is NO replacement for displacement." When people go buy a Mustang/ Camero/ Vette they don't want a 2.7l V6 even if it is quicker than a mid nineties V8. They want the V8.

It's like transmissions. Not to long ago it was manual over a 'slush box.' Now days a Sports car guy wants a manual because he is in control. A Performance car guy wants the DCS electronic system because it is faster than any manual tranny. Even F1 doesn't allow fully automated trannies as they 'take away from the skill of the driver' and not because they are too slow.

Mark my words.... 2040 we won't see manual transmissions in anything but classic cars.

I understand what they are doing and it is cool to see companies are still able to make them.

Everyone has there view of what a sports car should be.

[PokerMunkee]

Cadillac XTS AWD Vsport does 0-60 high 4's according to some articles.  LMS is adding 96WHP/104WTQ with just a tune...

[ShoBoat]

Cadillac XTS AWD Vsport does 0-60 high 4's according to some articles.  LMS is adding 96WHP/104WTQ with just a tune...

I personally am not crazy about where Cadillac is going with their designs as of late. The new CTS and XTS are almost Fugly to me.  And those driving lights? What were they thinking? Are we intentionally trying to blind on coming traffic?? I know Caddys are supposed to be over the top, but come on? I would take a 13 CTS V over the new ones with it's old school nav and all.

[SHOdded]

I assume by 2040 there will be a luxury tax on non-commercial dino-powered vehicles.  V8s, V12s, W12s, etc. will all be around, but likely be more in F40 pricing category.  Them rich folks like them collectibles.