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Snow Pump Failed

Started by Scott4957, June 02, 2016, 11:36:41 AM

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Scott4957

It was on the car a whole month and maybe had 2-3 gallons ran though it. Power directly to the pump does nothing, not a peep out of it. Working though snows warranty process right now to try and get one cross shipped so I am not without it for too long. What a PITA.

UPDATE:

So after being impatient and not hearing back from Snow I pulled the pump apart. I felt that it was something to do with the brushes and not the pump end due to there being no noise at all, then just a brief spray when testing then nothing again. Sure enough when I opened it about a half cup of water poured out of the motor housing...WTF? It says mount the pump any which way, but this thing has more holes in it than a sponge. I think the water was getting into the plastic pass through that the power and ground wires go through. There is a spring that pushes the brushes against the motor, it shorted and melted that spring so there was no longer contact between the brush and motor, everything else looked okay. I cleaned it all up inside and fixed the spring, sealed it all up like it should be and tested, all is working again. Can't say I am impressed with the motor in this pump and how the brushes are mounted. After doing some research I see Snow has an EE version of the pump "extreme environments" and apparently inside the bumper of my DD Lincoln is an extreme environment. Advice to anyone mounting the pump outside the car, pay the extra 30 bucks to get the EE version of the pump, I did not even know there was an option when I bought it. I'm sure its the same damn pump with some F'in RTV on it like mine is now.

The best part is the LED light shows its spraying because its just a tap off the power lead from the controller. Not until you feel the car pulling timing and closing the throttle do you know something is wrong. There must be a better way to know fluid is flowing. Until then I will have torque running with KR monitored so I know if this thing fails again. $hitty engineering pisses me off!
2013 Lincoln MKS EcoBoost, AJP Tuned

J-Will

2014 Factory Order SHO (non pp) Deep Impact Blue
Gearhead Automotive Performance Tune
3-bar
SP-542 plugs w/ GH gap

Scott4957

Yeah they think his is the controller rather than the pump. I assume he did the same as I and tested the pump and it was fine.
2013 Lincoln MKS EcoBoost, AJP Tuned

SHOdded

Is this a trend?  Hope the company's not taking a "dump"!
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

Scott4957

Quote from: SHOdded on June 02, 2016, 12:34:49 PM
Is this a trend?  Hope the company's not taking a "dump"!
Well, I don't think they make the pump. We will see how their customer support is.

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2013 Lincoln MKS EcoBoost, AJP Tuned

J_C

Hate to hear about this! Hopefully they get you squared away without any out of pocket expenses. This makes me nervous about considering a meth kit
2013 Taurus SHO performance pack: H&R's, Aem drop in filter, Torrie e30 tune, 3 bar map, 170 t-stat,  Unleashed catless downpipes, Vibrant resonators, 4" rolled tips

12.172 @ 113.06 mph

FoMoCoSHO

Quote from: Scott4957 on June 02, 2016, 12:36:36 PM
Quote from: SHOdded on June 02, 2016, 12:34:49 PM
Is this a trend?  Hope the company's not taking a "dump"!
Well, I don't think they make the pump. We will see how their customer support is.

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Doesn't seem they're treating Scoles properly.

glock-coma

Just be happy your foot wasn't mashed to the floor when it failed....consider yourself lucky I guess.
2010 red candy metallic non PP 402B
AJPTURBO 2 BAR Tune Stock 14.1@100.3 / Tuned 12.83@107.7
K&N panel, RX OCC, Sp-534 @.30 Tint 50%F-35%R BOV bypass
1997 SHO silver frost (sold)
1990 SHO triple black 5-speed (saved my life)

JDW1

What are symptoms of a failing or failed pump?  How do you know it's failed?
13 SHO, Unleashed 3bar Tune, 1 step cooler NGK's, MDesign CAI, 170 t-stat and meth.

Scott4957

Quote from: glock-coma on June 02, 2016, 03:05:53 PM
Just be happy your foot wasn't mashed to the floor when it failed....consider yourself lucky I guess.

Oh.....it was. The car pulled all the timing and I lost a ton of fuel pressure. A/F stayed where it should and all was fine, believe it or not you could hardly notice it was not spraying other than it not being as fast.
2013 Lincoln MKS EcoBoost, AJP Tuned

glock-coma

Wow. I though if you lost your pump your motor went kaboom. Good to know.
2010 red candy metallic non PP 402B
AJPTURBO 2 BAR Tune Stock 14.1@100.3 / Tuned 12.83@107.7
K&N panel, RX OCC, Sp-534 @.30 Tint 50%F-35%R BOV bypass
1997 SHO silver frost (sold)
1990 SHO triple black 5-speed (saved my life)

SHOdded

Smart PCM ... sometimes :)
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

Scott4957

See my update. Great quality for $500. If you look at this video you will see what the inside looks like, mine was all nasty like this one after a month. They all leak!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5dFWH5MoJY
2013 Lincoln MKS EcoBoost, AJP Tuned

SHOdded

BTW, the video is titled ... Disassemble AEM 30-3015 / Snow Performance / Aquamist Water/Methanol Injection Pump
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

Scott4957

Quote from: SHOdded on June 02, 2016, 05:44:19 PM
BTW, the video is titled ... Disassemble AEM 30-3015 / Snow Performance / Aquamist Water/Methanol Injection Pump

Not sure I follow. Anyways, its identical internally to my pump.
2013 Lincoln MKS EcoBoost, AJP Tuned