Is our hpfp used in any other di?

tgambob · April 22, 2016, 03:10:29 PM

Is our 3.5 hpfp specific to ford or is it an off the shelf delphi unit? Like the Mazda speeds or vw/audi? Any commonality in displacement of the pumps?

AJP turbo · April 22, 2016, 03:17:55 PM

I thought it was a rather common bosch...ask fomocosho he reads about our hpfp for fun and in his spare time lol

tgambob · April 22, 2016, 03:36:44 PM

I was just seeing that there are rebuild services and kits to upgrade most other cars/trucks hpfp. So it got me thinking there might be some commonality with one of these kits

Blackhawk · April 22, 2016, 03:48:15 PM

People aren't willing to put in R&D because of our limited market which I can't blame businesses for. The fuel system limits are kind of a let down for the platform and will probably be why I go a different direction in the future.

Quote from: tgambob on April 22, 2016, 03:36:44 PM
I was just seeing that there are rebuild services and kits to upgrade most other cars/trucks hpfp. So it got me thinking there might be some commonality with one of these kits

AJP turbo · April 22, 2016, 05:18:01 PM

Actually for an oem system it allows for quite a bit of power increase over stock....people simply see that the system is maxxed out but thats at about at least 500 ftlbs of torque at the flywheel...not too shabby for stock fuel system...

BiGMaC · April 22, 2016, 05:23:08 PM

Just a note... bpd is putting down 617 AWHP with factory fuel pumps.. He does have meth injection... That is the equivalent of almost 800 CHP in an all wheel drive train.

FoMoCoSHO · April 22, 2016, 05:43:46 PM

Quote from: AJP turbo on April 22, 2016, 03:17:55 PM
I thought it was a rather common bosch...ask fomocosho he reads about our hpfp for fun and in his spare time lol

That is correct on all accounts

FoMoCoSHO · April 22, 2016, 06:06:36 PM

Quote from: tgambob on April 22, 2016, 03:10:29 PM
Is our 3.5 hpfp specific to ford or is it an off the shelf delphi unit? Like the Mazda speeds or vw/audi? Any commonality in displacement of the pumps?

It's a bosch unit and its used in pretty much all the Ecoboost applications and plenty of others like VW and Audi.

http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,4871.0.html

tgambob · April 23, 2016, 02:36:00 PM

So is there a possibility of some of those pump build kits having some commonality? Would you happen to know the pump model number and I will do some Google fu

FoMoCoSHO · April 23, 2016, 02:59:15 PM

HPD-5

The problem is it's not as simple as slapping on a bigger pump. (which exist)

These pumps are cam driven so we may be maxed by our cam profile and there also may be unknown tuning aspects involved.

Our current pump is capable of generating 3000 PSI but only creates 2150 from the factory.

I may have found somebody who can get us answers but I haven't heard back...yet.

EcoPowerParts · April 23, 2016, 03:11:46 PM

According to Geoff@Full-Race they were developing a pump for the truck but after only about 20-30% increase in output it broke the camshaft....
The cost was going to be around $1500 from my understanding, not enough to do E85 so IMHO not worth it.

SHOdded · April 23, 2016, 04:05:53 PM

Do you know what specific design changes FullRace made for the truck pump? Off the top of my head, one would think gearing and materials change would be needed.

EcoPowerParts · April 23, 2016, 09:37:07 PM

Quote from: SHOdded on April 23, 2016, 04:05:53 PM
Do you know what specific design changes FullRace made for the truck pump? Off the top of my head, one would think gearing and materials change would be needed.

It wasn't Full-Race it was Bosch or somebody, the pressure from the pump trying to squeeze the fuel broke the cam in half...

CroR1 · April 23, 2016, 10:43:09 PM

That's sad that Ford did not use stronger parts on these engines, knowing that people mod their other models like mustang and focus... they should have assumed same would be done on these turbo cars. They should have left consumers some room to play.

Quote from: EcoPowerParts on April 23, 2016, 09:37:07 PM
Quote from: SHOdded on April 23, 2016, 04:05:53 PM
Do you know what specific design changes FullRace made for the truck pump? Off the top of my head, one would think gearing and materials change would be needed.
It wasn't Full-Race it was Bosch or somebody, the pressure from the pump trying to squeeze the fuel broke the cam in half...

SHOdded · April 23, 2016, 11:59:40 PM

From http://www.supersixmotorsports.com/_pdf/cyclone-tech-v2.pdf ---
EcoBoost uses what appears to be a billet steel intake cam with the
special lobe. We've already seen one generic cam broken in two, so perhaps the EcoBoost billet cam was intended to
add some strength due to the mechanical fuel pump.