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Started by tgambob, April 02, 2016, 01:49:18 PM

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setaonivek

Quote from: BiGMaC on April 12, 2016, 03:24:56 PM
Quote from: setaonivek on April 12, 2016, 10:06:27 AM
there should be no reason to have to change PTU fluid

why are so many of you having to replace this fluid? 

Well... There's a lot of picture and stories showing either burned up PTUs or PTUs full of black semi-liquid that is the consistency of near frozen chocolate syrup at 20-30K miles.... Many don't have an extended warranty. Ford has a MTBF of 100K miles which will be past any warranty for most.... At 300 degrees in a non-PP how long can a couple of ounces of gear lube last? ...or in a PP that's driven in a spirited fashion.

I agree with replacing the unit entirely if it fails.... But why not PM it to prolong the life? My dealer won't do it because Ford won't warrant the part if they do...

Here's some pics of the PTU... First 2 are what a lot of folks find, third is where the PTU has been drilled for a drain or guage, last pic is what the first 2 should have looked like...





see, i understand .. but you are saying "well, there are pictures and stories..." this is what i don't get, nothing official from Ford .. i asked why, so thank you ..
'15 SHO, PP, WPM

ZSHO

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Quote from: setaonivek on April 12, 2016, 06:26:30 PM
Quote from: polskifacet on April 12, 2016, 02:36:11 PM
Quote from: setaonivek on April 12, 2016, 10:06:27 AM
there should be no reason to have to change PTU fluid unless a bearing breaks or the unit is damaged or defective causing extreme heat to burn off the fluids creating that  sludge then ultimately failure. 

why are so many of you having to replace this fluid? 

@tgambob there are are no consumer rebuild kits for these. once they go, they need to be replaced ..

You have no idea what your talking about, ptu fluid should be changed every 20k.


Who are you to tell me i don't know what i am talking about?  there is ZERO documentation that supports this .. if there is official documentation from Ford, then show me and i will take it to my dealer and have mine checked.  I don't drive my car like aggresively and i don't race so perhaps some of you are creating the problem on your own based on the load you induce ..

i understand fluids, in fact i understand more than i let on but this is MY educated opinion .. instead of telling people they don't know what they are talking about, how about do some actual thing research before hand ..
This is an open forum but please refrain yourself from using any such words as per Forum rules and thank you for your attention in this matter.  Z


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setaonivek

Quote from: ZSHO on April 12, 2016, 06:44:45 PM
Quote from: setaonivek on April 12, 2016, 06:26:30 PM
Quote from: polskifacet on April 12, 2016, 02:36:11 PM
Quote from: setaonivek on April 12, 2016, 10:06:27 AM
there should be no reason to have to change PTU fluid unless a bearing breaks or the unit is damaged or defective causing extreme heat to burn off the fluids creating that  sludge then ultimately failure. 

why are so many of you having to replace this fluid? 

@tgambob there are are no consumer rebuild kits for these. once they go, they need to be replaced ..

You have no idea what your talking about, ptu fluid should be changed every 20k.


Who are you to tell me i don't know what i am talking about?  there is ZERO documentation that supports this .. if there is official documentation from Ford, then show me and i will take it to my dealer and have mine checked.  I don't drive my car like aggresively and i don't race so perhaps some of you are creating the problem on your own based on the load you induce ..

i understand fluids, in fact i understand more than i let on but this is MY educated opinion .. instead of telling people they don't know what they are talking about, how about do some actual thing research before hand ..
This is an open forum but please refrain yourself from using any such words as per rules on the forum.  Z

understood, but some members here need to think before speaking ..
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ecoboostsho

Did you by chance design the PTU? Do you work for Ford? I'm not being sarcastic...if you have data that would indicate these aren't prone to failure from fluid loss (or cooking) then please by all means share it. I should have added that my 2011 puked fluid all the time and was failing when I sold it...

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66 Galaxie

PTUs are like playing the lottery and some seem to last while others don't.
For owners that are enthusiasts and demand more from the drivetrain fluid changes for the PTU and transmission make a lot of sense and can only help to increase the longevity of these units.
Is it required by Ford, no but it makes good sense plane and simple.  I have an '08 Taurus X awd with 243k miles and it still has the original PTU and trans.  Both units have had multiple fluid changes and I'm confident that fluid changes have been key to their long lifespan.

Local police fleet changes both PTU fluid and trans every 30k due to severe service.

So take it for what it is worth and make your own decision on what you think is coincidently vehicle.

Just my $.02
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polskifacet

I work around 30 fleets of machines which consist of at least 100 per fleet. Each machine is 1.5 million dollars. They require constant maintenance even when not running. My previous job I worked with fleets of laser guided vehicles. My father has worked on heavy machinery at Caterpillar for 25 years. I know everything about lubrication, PMs etc. etc .etc etc. on a level so much greater than a simple PTU.

Regularly service the PTU...

http://www.fordedgeforum.com/topic/13533-13m01-middle-east-ptu-extended-warranty/

hmm 30,000 km = 18,641 miles
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You guys are being put on....this guy is like my evil twin...he likes to get people worked up but he has diarrhea breath and talks s*** whereas i get people worked up and spit truth lol......id say some things but Z would just edit my post because it would be time to hurt feelings and anuses...is that the plural form of anus?
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polskifacet

Sometimes the truth stinks, OP change the ptu gear oil.
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FoMoCoSHO

Here is what I was told about PTU's an why some fail with sludge and some look perfect @ 60K

Basically when they come off the assembly line, if they are manufactured correctly and the tolerances are in line you will get a long life without a fluid change.

Apparently QC isn't all that hot and that isn't happening....tolerances are off, more friction and lack of movement cooks the fluid and ruins the PTU.

Most rational minded folks would agree you really can't over maintain something like a PTU. The problem is it has been alleged by certain unscrupulous service advisers that Ford will void your warranty over it which is absurd IMHO and puts folks under warranty in a bind. Don't maintain it under warranty for fear of cancelled warranty on that part or listen to Ford and risk a failure when it goes out of warranty. Quite the conundrum. I say allege because it's not something Mrs FoMoCoSHO has ever encountered and you guys would be surprised at some of the modded vehicles they are able to get covered with Ford fully knowing what has been done to the vehicles. Ford wants to sell cars and pi$$ing off your loyal customers isn't the way to make that happen. And she has surely NEVER had a warranty denied for over maintaining a vehicle.

The first thing to do is try to find a dealership that will service your car how you want it without threats. Bottom line IMHO is they are lazy and don't want to deal with it. I'd suspect the dealerships that are willing to do what you ask will get it covered if there happened to be a failure. They know these things fail for no good reason and a good dealership will always fight for their customer.

My suggestion is service your vehicle to the level you feel appropriate. If you have a failure under warranty they will not cover make them put it in writing WHY they wouldn't warranty it.

If the worst were to happen....

Call Ford first and hammer them on social media with pics and links to the PTU failures found all over the internet. Be persistent. Be that festering wart on their a$$ that they just want to go away.

If that tactic fails take it to 3rd party neutral warranty arbitration where their lawyers are moot. Give every member a copy of Magnusson Moss and present your case. Remember the burden of proof is on Ford to PROVE that over maintaining your vehicle caused the failure. And as long as you have the correct volume and type of fluid? Good luck with that. Most likely that will never happen and once you let your intentions be known, the PTU will be replaced.

Remember, there is plenty of evidence on the internet regarding fluid condition and premature failures. During arbitration you will get your chance present your evidence and to ask questions like, what specifically would cause newer fluid of the correct specification and filled to the proper level to be detrimental to the life of the PTU??? Seriously, GTFO, it just sounds ridiculous when you say it.

I seriously doubt this situation would ever get to that level. The first line of defense is finding a good dealership which I know is sometimes much easier said than done. Do you think Ford wants to risk your next $50k purchase over an $800 PTU that is marked up 40-60% to start with?

setaonivek

Thanks FoMoSho .. this is the kind of response i was hoping to receive and appreciate not the inconsiderate responses earlier, really, all i wanted to ask was why ...

the problem i have, is EVERY dealer (in my area) i have spoken to on this has literally told me, in spite of ALL the evidence on-line, that PTU under normal driving conditions should not need servicing ..

i don't know what to believe .. just seems ridiculous to me that this is not considered a serviceable part if there is SOOOO much evidence.  I want to my car to last, do you think i/or any one else for that matter would not ask about this?  WTF? 

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SHOdded

I think the point is that there is enough end-user evidence that you should at least check the PTU fluid regularly.  With any luck, you'll never have to change it, but if you want to get the best out of the PTU, it is best to set a periodic preventive maintenance schedule.  I would find a BG shop and have them check the fluid, if it's not practical to DIY.

The rest of the discussion as to why dealers do or don't, or why Ford does or doesn't is good to know or talk about, but the bottomline is still that the PTU is not set-and-forget.  Has not been since at least the Taurus X.
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setaonivek

Quote from: SHOdded on April 13, 2016, 08:04:06 AM
I think the point is that there is enough end-user evidence that you should at least check the PTU fluid regularly.  With any luck, you'll never have to change it, but if you want to get the best out of the PTU, it is best to set a periodic preventive maintenance schedule.  I would find a BG shop and have them check the fluid, if it's not practical to DIY.

The rest of the discussion as to why dealers do or don't, or why Ford does or doesn't is good to know or talk about, but the bottomline is still that the PTU is not set-and-forget.  Has not been since at least the Taurus X.

Thank you SHOdded ... appreciate this. 

I do agree, now, that it should be checked and with all of this evidence of problems i really find it ridiculous that it is not considered a serviceable part, at least a check at irregular intervals. 

I have contacted my dealer again and they have agreed to finally look at it.



'15 SHO, PP, WPM

ZSHO

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Quote from: setaonivek on April 13, 2016, 10:07:46 AM
Quote from: SHOdded on April 13, 2016, 08:04:06 AM
I think the point is that there is enough end-user evidence that you should at least check the PTU fluid regularly.  With any luck, you'll never have to change it, but if you want to get the best out of the PTU, it is best to set a periodic preventive maintenance schedule.  I would find a BG shop and have them check the fluid, if it's not practical to DIY.

The rest of the discussion as to why dealers do or don't, or why Ford does or doesn't is good to know or talk about, but the bottomline is still that the PTU is not set-and-forget.  Has not been since at least the Taurus X.

Thank you SHOdded ... appreciate this. 

I do agree, now, that it should be checked and with all of this evidence of problems i really find it ridiculous that it is not considered a serviceable part, at least a check at irregular intervals. 

I have contacted my dealer again and they have agreed to finally look at it.
Setaonivek how many miles on your 15 PP SHO?  also was curious if Ford would somehow enact therev service provisions differently in Canada,just a thought.  Z


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setaonivek

Quote from: ZSHO on April 13, 2016, 10:39:08 AM
Quote from: setaonivek on April 13, 2016, 10:07:46 AM
Quote from: SHOdded on April 13, 2016, 08:04:06 AM
I think the point is that there is enough end-user evidence that you should at least check the PTU fluid regularly.  With any luck, you'll never have to change it, but if you want to get the best out of the PTU, it is best to set a periodic preventive maintenance schedule.  I would find a BG shop and have them check the fluid, if it's not practical to DIY.

The rest of the discussion as to why dealers do or don't, or why Ford does or doesn't is good to know or talk about, but the bottomline is still that the PTU is not set-and-forget.  Has not been since at least the Taurus X.

Thank you SHOdded ... appreciate this. 

I do agree, now, that it should be checked and with all of this evidence of problems i really find it ridiculous that it is not considered a serviceable part, at least a check at irregular intervals. 

I have contacted my dealer again and they have agreed to finally look at it.
Setaonivek how many miles on your 15 PP SHO?  also was curious if Ford would somehow enact therev service provisions differently in Canada,just a thought.  Z

that is a good question .. i have 27770kms (roughly 17255mi) .. i will ask my service guy when i speak to him later
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