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Heater Core Bypass

Started by CrazyRacingMan, November 12, 2013, 08:16:48 AM

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jimmyducati

My '10 SHO did this last night in the drive through, not only zero heat but it was pretty cold air coming out. As soon as I took off it was HOT. Ill try topping off the coolant today, should  I just pour some in the overflow?
2010 White SHO w/two tone interior
2005 Ducati 999s  (the daily ridder)
1998 Ducati 916  (the beauty queen)
1995 Ducati 900ss (the track terror)
1978 Harley Davidson Shovelhead

BiGMaC

If you top off the coolant and the problem happens again...... and again the coolant needs a top off --> You might check for the seal leaking from the T-stat install.  Aniother member found this to be a problem.

•2013 Taurus SHO nonPP - All Ford factory options, 3BAR MAP, LMS v8 tune (mods for 3BAR, DPs, and T-stat), Paint & plastic correction, CQuart finest all exterior surfaces, limo black window tint,VLED Triton switchbacks, Daytime BrightLites switchback DRLs, full interior and exterior LED conversion, Lamin-X charcoal blackout tail lights and reflectors, PPE catted and coated downpipes, EBPP coated hotpipes with BoVs VTA, MDesign CAI
•2013 F250 CC Lariat 6.7EB Diesel -stock

BigPelo

Quote from: BiGMaC on November 27, 2013, 12:49:46 PM
If you top off the coolant and the problem happens again...... and again the coolant needs a top off --> You might check for the seal leaking from the T-stat install.  Aniother member found this to be a problem.

Yes but it was right after a 170F thermostat install on my 2013.

Quote from: jimmyducati on November 27, 2013, 10:39:46 AM
My '10 SHO did this last night in the drive through, not only zero heat but it was pretty cold air coming out. As soon as I took off it was HOT. Ill try topping off the coolant today, should  I just pour some in the overflow?

Don't forget to put 50/50 water with concentrated coolant, yes the overflow tank.
Week-end family transporter: 2013 SHO tuxedo black, performance package, unleashed custom 94 octane tune, K&N Typhoon intake, 170F thermostat, 3 bar MAP sensor, SP534 spark plugs, 5000K HID Morimoto mini D2S projectors retrofit, tinted windows, Full LED lighting in and out, Eibach springs
Daily beater: 2002 WRX wagon swap JDM STi v7 20G'd

DJE624

Just in case, check for a small leak right here in the picture.  I had a drip there.  The dealer put a clamp on it for me.

SHO-Pa

I also have this issue with my 2011 but I also have 2 questions -
1) My 11 has the green coolant. Am I correct in that the good ol' Prestone 50/50 is fine (or is it a special FoMoCo blend as I found out with the orange stuff in my 07 Expy)?
2) Am I correct in that if I just add it to the recovery tank it won't "burp" the system?
2011 SHO - stock
2016 Explorer XLT 2.3L "4wd"
2018 Focus Titanium

DJE624

I'm not totally sure but I thought all the newer cars had the orange coolant. 

If you fill to the cold line and then run the car at temperature, let it cool off, refill if necessary and run at temp again, it should burp. 

Edit-Run the heater at full blast too.

BiGMaC

Quote from: SHO-Pa on January 06, 2014, 09:09:32 PM
I also have this issue with my 2011 but I also have 2 questions -
1) My 11 has the green coolant. Am I correct in that the good ol' Prestone 50/50 is fine (or is it a special FoMoCo blend as I found out with the orange stuff in my 07 Expy)?
2) Am I correct in that if I just add it to the recovery tank it won't "burp" the system?

My dealership advised "don't mix types and don't mix colors"... If there's nothing in the reservoir you might drain a couple of teaspoons from the radiator petcock to check when the engine is cold.... then mix the antifreeze... with WP lube... to desired dilution and fill as DJ recommended... It will burp itself 'cuz the air rises

•2013 Taurus SHO nonPP - All Ford factory options, 3BAR MAP, LMS v8 tune (mods for 3BAR, DPs, and T-stat), Paint & plastic correction, CQuart finest all exterior surfaces, limo black window tint,VLED Triton switchbacks, Daytime BrightLites switchback DRLs, full interior and exterior LED conversion, Lamin-X charcoal blackout tail lights and reflectors, PPE catted and coated downpipes, EBPP coated hotpipes with BoVs VTA, MDesign CAI
•2013 F250 CC Lariat 6.7EB Diesel -stock

SHO-Pa

Interestingly enough, my older Expy has the orange stuff (only available at FoMoCo I am told) but the 11 SHO has the green. It even has a "NO ORANGE STUFF" sticker on the recovery tank.

I was surprised that the newer vehicle still had the green stuff although it seems the 2013s have orange. Not sure about 2012s.
2011 SHO - stock
2016 Explorer XLT 2.3L "4wd"
2018 Focus Titanium

DJE624

#23
I'm 99.9 % sure I have orange in my 12.  I'd have to go look now to be positive! LOL  I've checked the level before and never gave it a thought. 

Edit-If it was green, I'm sure I would have noticed.

dalum

A lot of cars won't "burp" themselves.  The heater core can be the highest point and air gets trapped in there.  The pro's use a tool to pull a vacuum in the system after draining the radiator.  Then this vacuum pulls the new antifreeze in filling the system without trapped air pockets.

You can do this at home with an air compressor but you have to take care of the coolant properly.  I used this system http://amzn.com/B0002SRH5G but I don't recommend it.  The way it is designed you end up putting the air in the hose between the valve and the new coolant back into the system.  This http://amzn.com/B000IHK1VI model is setup the right way.  You pull a vacuum on the system and the hose to new coolant so no air gets sucked back in.  Have a hose clamp ready to close off the hose to the overflow container.  The tool didn't cover that gap when I did my wife's GrandPrix.

There is also back flushing the coolant system.  But since the only thing that probably has s*** in it is the heater core I do that by itself.  Disconnect both lines going to the heater core at the engine side.  You can rig something up but i used this http://amzn.com/B0045CUMVG connected to a garden hose.  Plug it in one side of the heater core and run clean water through it until you're happy.  Then plug it into the other side and repeat. 
2013 Non-PP SHO

6gun

For some reason I cannot get to the TSB.  Can someone summarize what it says to do, or cut/paste?

TIA!
2010 SHO - 2013 20" Wheels, K&N, Amp and Sub
2011 F150 Raptor - Tux Black, Saints Offroad Pre-Runner Bravo Bumper, 40" LED light bar, Stubby antenna, K&N, Bottom Pearch
1995 BMW 740i  - M-Sport Wheels, K&N
1997 GMC Yukon GT - Denali wheels, 35" Hankook Dynapro ATM RF10's, K&N Cold Air, Edlebrock Cam/Headers

SHOdded

Unfortunately the site is now restricted, so I cannot access it either :(
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

BiGMaC

Quote from: SHOdded on January 21, 2014, 07:22:02 PM
Unfortunately the site is now restricted, so I cannot access it either :(

A little scary I think

•2013 Taurus SHO nonPP - All Ford factory options, 3BAR MAP, LMS v8 tune (mods for 3BAR, DPs, and T-stat), Paint & plastic correction, CQuart finest all exterior surfaces, limo black window tint,VLED Triton switchbacks, Daytime BrightLites switchback DRLs, full interior and exterior LED conversion, Lamin-X charcoal blackout tail lights and reflectors, PPE catted and coated downpipes, EBPP coated hotpipes with BoVs VTA, MDesign CAI
•2013 F250 CC Lariat 6.7EB Diesel -stock

SHOdded

It's like someone goes through the security logs, says "oh, someone tried to access this page, let's restrict it" and then changes permissions.  Maybe they finally did it sitewide, because there were holes in between earlier.
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

BiGMaC

Typical... Some are "insider secrets" and some are just plain to save money by waiting to see if we actually break down before it's fixed.

I believe we should be ENTITLED to any TSB that is applicable to the car we own.  Part of proactive maintenance.

•2013 Taurus SHO nonPP - All Ford factory options, 3BAR MAP, LMS v8 tune (mods for 3BAR, DPs, and T-stat), Paint & plastic correction, CQuart finest all exterior surfaces, limo black window tint,VLED Triton switchbacks, Daytime BrightLites switchback DRLs, full interior and exterior LED conversion, Lamin-X charcoal blackout tail lights and reflectors, PPE catted and coated downpipes, EBPP coated hotpipes with BoVs VTA, MDesign CAI
•2013 F250 CC Lariat 6.7EB Diesel -stock