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Possible misfire on cold starts question.

Started by DstryEvrytng, May 27, 2018, 02:21:23 AM

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DstryEvrytng

So my 2015 SHO feels like it has a small misfire at idle on cold starts. It only lasts for about 30 seconds or untill the high idle settles down. Feels like rough idle, you can see the tach jumping 100 or so rpm's.

Anyone else have this?

Plugs are new and gapped .030. Its done it since i got it at 27k miles and now has 30.5k.

Im almost thinking it is just idling rough untill the turbos get spooled and moving proper air to idle right but idk.
15 SHO/pp, bone stock besides the "idiot driver" mod.

ZSHO

#1
Check for any loose hose clamps from top to bottom.
Ford Mode 6 Data would be Ideal.....

Check your Vapor purge valve solenoid.  Z

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2013 Performance Package SHO| Livernois Custom Methanol Tune|3-Bar Map|Reische-170-Stat|Full Race Tial-10psi BOV in Black|PPE-Gloss Black Hot Pipes|EPP Dual Intake in Gloss Black|PPE Catted DP|Corsa Sport Cat Back Exhaust|H&R Sport-Springs|CFM Performance Billet Valve Cover Breather In Gloss Black|Llumar 20%Ceramic window Tint|MSD Ignition Coils in Black|Extreme Roof Spoiler|Redline Fluids all around|Gearhead Intercooler|First-SHO With Direct Port Alky-VP-M1-100%-Methanol Injection|LMS-Custom-Dyno-Tuned @ 415whp-465wtq| Best Trap Speed of 115.54 mph|

5ohSHO

My PI and now my new SHO do the same thing. Only reason I noticed mine though was because I have full cat-less exhaust on both cars and I could hear it. I changed some parts on the PI to try to fix that and other issues and never could get the high idle thing to go away. I'm not that worried about it anymore since my new car does the same thing.

ZSHO

#3
I found out overtime that the GTDI engines are quite stubborn on the quality of Fuel that goes in.....
To the OP do you have access to 93 octane fuel!  I would also make certain to put in Top Tier Gas such as Shell or Chevron 93 octane fuel @ preferably a high busy turnover fuel station.  Z


2013 Performance Package SHO| Livernois Custom Methanol Tune|3-Bar Map|Reische-170-Stat|Full Race Tial-10psi BOV in Black|PPE-Gloss Black Hot Pipes|EPP Dual Intake in Gloss Black|PPE Catted DP|Corsa Sport Cat Back Exhaust|H&R Sport-Springs|CFM Performance Billet Valve Cover Breather In Gloss Black|Llumar 20%Ceramic window Tint|MSD Ignition Coils in Black|Extreme Roof Spoiler|Redline Fluids all around|Gearhead Intercooler|First-SHO With Direct Port Alky-VP-M1-100%-Methanol Injection|LMS-Custom-Dyno-Tuned @ 415whp-465wtq| Best Trap Speed of 115.54 mph|

DstryEvrytng

Thx guys.

Ill check all the clamps i can find on my next day off.

I use 89 from the same station always, it is the busiest station in my area. I ran one tank of 93 just to check milage and i get better milage with 89, ill try 93 again and see what happens with the idle.

Funny side note. The dealer was only getting 17.5 mpg on regular (salseman had been driving it). First tank of 89 the milage went to 23.5, now after 3k miles on 89 its getting a hair over 24 mpg.
15 SHO/pp, bone stock besides the "idiot driver" mod.

FoMoCoSHO

I don't think it has anything to do with your fuel.

All 3 of mine exhibit/ed that behavior but there was never an actual misfire.

I've ran every fuel/E85 mix one could think of and it never changed across three different vehicles.

No idea what causes it but I really don't think its anything to worry about.


lamrith

I have it on my '13 SHO as well.  I have not watched the tach when it is happening, but it is clearly audible on cold start for a min or so.
'13 Sho PP, SCT x4, AJP 92-Octane rev6 (14psi&20spark) NGK 6510, 3Bar, K&N CAI, PPE Catted DP, Dynomax Axleback, 20*9.5 Voxx Lago w/ 275/40-20 GMAX AS-05.

AJP turbo

I wouldn't worry too much....I think it's fords idle strategy ...it kind of regulates the torque of idle and idle speed with spark. Also I think fueling and combustion can be finicky until warmed because of fuel sticking to the walls

Also your wild swings in fuel economy are due to the testing. There is no way it can swing that much from octane.

If anything the higher octane will get ever so slightly more economy due to the car making a bit more part throttle power because of higher spark allowed ...if you make more part throttle power you will use less pedal to get up to speed which will use less fuel
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SHOhobo

From day one I had the same issue on my 2015 SHO ..chkd clamps they were fine...did it the entire time I had it.  I always use top tier 91 or 93 octane juice.  My 2018 SHO does not have this issue. Odd.
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Previous: 2015 SHO - Ingot Silver - non PP - Drivers Assist Pkge - max optioned - optional non flower wheels.

DstryEvrytng

#9
Im glad to hear im not the only one with this odd miss. Now im not worried about it but i am going to attempt to chase it down, because im an idiot like that. Lol

Im pretty sure my mech's scan tool is updated to the hilt so if all else fails ill see of he can pull the mode 6 data ( as ZSHO suggested)  and then go from there.

Last time it was in the stealer for a warranty issue (brake rotors where pooched bad when i bought it and coolant was low) i told the desk lady about the idle. For some reason she wrote it down as a cold acceleration miss tho so no idle testing was done.
15 SHO/pp, bone stock besides the "idiot driver" mod.

5ohSHO

Good luck on chasing it down. I changed the fuel injectors, coils, plugs, pcv oil separator and valve, O2 sensors and installed new hot pipes on my PI to fix other issues and the high idle thing persisted through all of it.

ZSHO

#11
FWIW try to fix any ongoing issues before the Factory 3YR/36,000 warranty expires,since your @ 30.5K IIRC!  Best of luck.  Z


2013 Performance Package SHO| Livernois Custom Methanol Tune|3-Bar Map|Reische-170-Stat|Full Race Tial-10psi BOV in Black|PPE-Gloss Black Hot Pipes|EPP Dual Intake in Gloss Black|PPE Catted DP|Corsa Sport Cat Back Exhaust|H&R Sport-Springs|CFM Performance Billet Valve Cover Breather In Gloss Black|Llumar 20%Ceramic window Tint|MSD Ignition Coils in Black|Extreme Roof Spoiler|Redline Fluids all around|Gearhead Intercooler|First-SHO With Direct Port Alky-VP-M1-100%-Methanol Injection|LMS-Custom-Dyno-Tuned @ 415whp-465wtq| Best Trap Speed of 115.54 mph|

FoMoCoSHO

I am able to view mode 6, never showed any issue.

Through the 3 cars I've only seen one Misfire ever.

There is a ton of emissions stuff going on during cold start and I would suspect that is the culprit.

SHOdded

2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

Cole.C

My car was doing the same thing until I put 1 stage cooler plugs gapped at 0.028 in it. Idles like a brand new car now xD no more super low rpm misfiring. Try these brisk plugs pregapped to 0.028 imo their the best plug for our application unless anyone else knows of better plugs always like suggestions!
https://www.briskracing.com/brisk-spark-plugs/brisk-silver-spark-plugs/brisk-silver-racing-rr14s-spark-plug-detail

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