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please help me understand what the crap is going on? (wastegates) : Resolved!!!

Started by TopherSho, January 28, 2018, 12:11:03 PM

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StealBlueSho

If all the plugs were carbon fouled I would suspect that would be impacting overall engine performance...

Hoping you the best!

Still curious how all the plugs got fouled....


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TopherSho

There is a post here *somewhere* that described a clear intake manifold used to test meth kits to see where the meth ended up when sprayed like for kits like mine. (single nozzel high output spray).  As it turns out more meth typically ends up in one bank versus another due to swirling under heavy spray where not all of it evaps..

*As a crackpot theory* one bank is running much cooler than the other.  And the step colder plugs prevented self cleaning/high temp insulator burn off and the combo == my front back of sadness after just 10k miles.

in my case the front banks were extra carbon cripsy .. and not good like a nice steak carbon.  the backs were much cleaner.. but also fouled to a degree worth replacing.

Back bank,,, not nearly as bad as the front.  but bad enough to warrant replacement as they were only going to get worse with time.


2010 non-pp, 98k miles, 3-bar,  .026 plugs, SNOW-KIT STG1, AJPTurbu tune#35, 15.5+psi
Best 0-60 public road 4.35s
Best 1/4 of 12.61 no DA correction

StealBlueSho


TopherSho

Quote from: stealbluesho on February 07, 2018, 09:49:56 AM
They look wet?


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Not wet,  but glazed and shiny!  yeah bad things were going on with those plugs.. I also used a flash on the phone.
2010 non-pp, 98k miles, 3-bar,  .026 plugs, SNOW-KIT STG1, AJPTurbu tune#35, 15.5+psi
Best 0-60 public road 4.35s
Best 1/4 of 12.61 no DA correction

AJP turbo

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TopherSho

Quote from: AJP turbo on February 07, 2018, 10:26:35 AM
Did you take a pic how the other 3 looked?

Back bank



Front bank


It is now my opinion,  if you live in colder climates,  such as PNW where it is colder more than warmer.  Standard heat range may be a strong recommendation.
2010 non-pp, 98k miles, 3-bar,  .026 plugs, SNOW-KIT STG1, AJPTurbu tune#35, 15.5+psi
Best 0-60 public road 4.35s
Best 1/4 of 12.61 no DA correction

StealBlueSho

Could it be a byproduct of spraying too much?


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TopherSho

Quote from: stealbluesho on February 07, 2018, 10:41:01 AM
Could it be a byproduct of spraying too much?


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**If** my test drive goes well today,  and i feel it is fixed I will tell you in another 3 months after hooking the meth back up and enabling it.
:P

EDIT:: Luckily it seems the front three plugs are better indicators.  So that's an easy 10 minutes to peep and look.
2010 non-pp, 98k miles, 3-bar,  .026 plugs, SNOW-KIT STG1, AJPTurbu tune#35, 15.5+psi
Best 0-60 public road 4.35s
Best 1/4 of 12.61 no DA correction

AJP turbo

Quote from: stealbluesho on February 07, 2018, 10:41:01 AM
Could it be a byproduct of spraying too much?


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I can't see that being the case...I just looked at his STFT's while spraying and he was between .80-.90 which is what I usually like and is WAY less than I have seen many other Meth tunes run from other people....I've seen many other NON AJP tunes where the stft's are maxxed out at .75 and flat lined meaning the ECU couldn't even pull as much fuel as needed to maintain Lambse

So I would say he was only spraying a moderate amount of meth so he wasn't running overly rich....It's strange I guess
SCT Dealer/Custom Calibrator                        
Specializing in 3.5 Ecoboost   
Remote/email custom tuning including E85 blends 
Authorized retailer for all SCT devices. 
 
Former:2014 PP SHO
3 bar 93 tune, Airaid, Stainless Works non catted DP's  
405whp/520tq
Dyno
     
Current:2016 F150 2.7 Ecoboost
Tuning in progress

TopherSho

Quote from: TopherSho on February 07, 2018, 10:43:32 AM
Quote from: stealbluesho on February 07, 2018, 10:41:01 AM
Could it be a byproduct of spraying too much?


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**If** my test drive goes well today,  and i feel it is fixed I will tell you in another 3 months after hooking the meth back up and enabling it.
:P

EDIT:: Luckily it seems the front three plugs are better indicators.  So that's an easy 10 minutes to peep and look.

What is really busting my balls is **IF** this fixes the last issue,  is that resetting the ECU temporally fixes the spark issue. 

It must be a learning thing AFTER the fact because i made damn sure OAR was .96  yet for the 1st couple power cycles it felt almost normal with only a 20% flutter at the end of 3rd.

but we are still on a hopefull **IF** .. so,  t-minus 2 hours to test drive where i can run into 4th under load.

2010 non-pp, 98k miles, 3-bar,  .026 plugs, SNOW-KIT STG1, AJPTurbu tune#35, 15.5+psi
Best 0-60 public road 4.35s
Best 1/4 of 12.61 no DA correction

TopherSho

Quote from: AJP turbo on February 07, 2018, 11:43:49 AM
Quote from: stealbluesho on February 07, 2018, 10:41:01 AM
Could it be a byproduct of spraying too much?


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I can't see that being the case...I just looked at his STFT's while spraying and he was between .80-.90 which is what I usually like and is WAY less than I have seen many other Meth tunes run from other people....I've seen many other NON AJP tunes where the stft's are maxxed out at .75 and flat lined meaning the ECU couldn't even pull as much fuel as needed to maintain Lambse

So I would say he was only spraying a moderate amount of meth so he wasn't running overly rich....It's strange I guess

In regard ONLY to the fouling,  I am convinced the environment I live in with colder plugs causes the dirty\bad plug condition. 
2010 non-pp, 98k miles, 3-bar,  .026 plugs, SNOW-KIT STG1, AJPTurbu tune#35, 15.5+psi
Best 0-60 public road 4.35s
Best 1/4 of 12.61 no DA correction

StealBlueSho

Quote from: TopherSho on February 07, 2018, 11:47:41 AM
Quote from: TopherSho on February 07, 2018, 10:43:32 AM
Quote from: stealbluesho on February 07, 2018, 10:41:01 AM
Could it be a byproduct of spraying too much?


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**If** my test drive goes well today,  and i feel it is fixed I will tell you in another 3 months after hooking the meth back up and enabling it.
:P

EDIT:: Luckily it seems the front three plugs are better indicators.  So that's an easy 10 minutes to peep and look.

What is really busting my balls is **IF** this fixes the last issue,  is that resetting the ECU temporally fixes the spark issue. 

It must be a learning thing AFTER the fact because i made damn sure OAR was .96  yet for the 1st couple power cycles it felt almost normal with only a 20% flutter at the end of 3rd.

but we are still on a hopefull **IF** .. so,  t-minus 2 hours to test drive where i can run into 4th under load.


So even after changing the plugs you are still getting fluttering?


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TopherSho

QuoteSo even after changing the plugs you are still getting fluttering?

No idea.. in the limited testing last night it felt like it did in the early days before meth.  It ran hard and shifted like it wanted to break my spine... so i am hopeful.

But I have not made a hard run into 4th gear yet.  we are t-minus 95 minutes for that... with that i will have a final verdict.
2010 non-pp, 98k miles, 3-bar,  .026 plugs, SNOW-KIT STG1, AJPTurbu tune#35, 15.5+psi
Best 0-60 public road 4.35s
Best 1/4 of 12.61 no DA correction

TopherSho

THAT CRAP IS DONE SON.  FIXED WITH F&&KING  AATHORRRATEEEAA~

recap
:bad wastegates,  blew them up race night.
:cracked turbine that we did not know about until we replaced the turbos
:bad tubro that looked a darker ulgy color for the turbine metal(cracked unit)
:bad plugs after 10k miles on .28 gapped NGKs (that i have NOT checked the gap on yet.. but will tonight)

likely did not need to replace the Boost solenoid .. but @ 300$ out of 3000$ it is a big MEH.

I have no doubts on this.  before there was the tiniest flutter after clearing the ecu and applying as tune.  this time no clear, no tunes was applied and it ate the turf like a champ. no flutter of ANY kind.  smooth as butter.

I will data log it later to look for log jitter but my expectation is there wont be any..

Take-away :: if you have log jitter and random quick spikes of power and power loss.  it is your DAMN PLUGS.

F%%kcing done.
2010 non-pp, 98k miles, 3-bar,  .026 plugs, SNOW-KIT STG1, AJPTurbu tune#35, 15.5+psi
Best 0-60 public road 4.35s
Best 1/4 of 12.61 no DA correction