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Switching tunes at the track?

Started by TopherSho, May 24, 2017, 05:36:52 PM

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TopherSho

So I have two tunes to test this Friday, a 14lb tune and a 14.5lb tune to go with learning hard launches hurt my ET. 

Will switching tunes half way through the night be a dumb idea? 

Other than the KAM reset is there any issues to trying this ?

I expect a run or two of running up or over the REV limiter.. I'm OK with that.  By run 3 it should know where to shift under WOT.

THOUGHTS?

(Obviously let the car learn to idle, come to temp).
2010 non-pp, 98k miles, 3-bar,  .026 plugs, SNOW-KIT STG1, AJPTurbu tune#35, 15.5+psi
Best 0-60 public road 4.35s
Best 1/4 of 12.61 no DA correction

glock-coma

Since you have a 2010-2012 your oar will reset back to 0 when you reflash.
So I'm not sure you'll get to most out of it until it readjusts back .96-1.0.

On torque it will get back to -1.0 but on the sct x4 it only goes to -.96.


My car did weird things at the track until it fully adjusted.
2010 red candy metallic non PP 402B
AJPTURBO 2 BAR Tune Stock 14.1@100.3 / Tuned 12.83@107.7
K&N panel, RX OCC, Sp-534 @.30 Tint 50%F-35%R BOV bypass
1997 SHO silver frost (sold)
1990 SHO triple black 5-speed (saved my life)

TopherSho

Quote from: glock-coma on May 24, 2017, 06:27:46 PM
Since you have a 2010-2012 your oar will reset back to 0 when you reflash.
So I'm not sure you'll get to most out of it until it readjusts back .96-1.0.

On torque it will get back to -1.0 but on the sct x4 it only goes to -.96.


My car did weird things at the track until it fully adjusted.

OK, good to know.

Ty!
2010 non-pp, 98k miles, 3-bar,  .026 plugs, SNOW-KIT STG1, AJPTurbu tune#35, 15.5+psi
Best 0-60 public road 4.35s
Best 1/4 of 12.61 no DA correction

FiveLeeter918

Quote from: glock-coma on May 24, 2017, 06:27:46 PM
Since you have a 2010-2012 your oar will reset back to 0 when you reflash.
So I'm not sure you'll get to most out of it until it readjusts back .96-1.0.

On torque it will get back to -1.0 but on the sct x4 it only goes to -.96.


My car did weird things at the track until it fully adjusted.

Are you referring to fuel trims?
- Lee
Technical Sales, Ortiz Tuning and Performance
F-150, Mustang, Lincoln MKS, Taurus SHO and Ford Flex Tuning

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glock-coma

Quote from: FiveLeeter918 on June 02, 2017, 02:55:21 PM
Quote from: glock-coma on May 24, 2017, 06:27:46 PM
Since you have a 2010-2012 your oar will reset back to 0 when you reflash.
So I'm not sure you'll get to most out of it until it readjusts back .96-1.0.

On torque it will get back to -1.0 but on the sct x4 it only goes to -.96.


My car did weird things at the track until it fully adjusted.

Are you referring to fuel trims?
Octane adjust ratio (OAR)
https://www.cobbtuning.com/ford-ecoboost-and-the-octane-adjust-ratio-monitor/
2010 red candy metallic non PP 402B
AJPTURBO 2 BAR Tune Stock 14.1@100.3 / Tuned 12.83@107.7
K&N panel, RX OCC, Sp-534 @.30 Tint 50%F-35%R BOV bypass
1997 SHO silver frost (sold)
1990 SHO triple black 5-speed (saved my life)

FiveLeeter918

Quote from: glock-coma on June 02, 2017, 02:57:16 PM
Quote from: FiveLeeter918 on June 02, 2017, 02:55:21 PM
Quote from: glock-coma on May 24, 2017, 06:27:46 PM
Since you have a 2010-2012 your oar will reset back to 0 when you reflash.
So I'm not sure you'll get to most out of it until it readjusts back .96-1.0.

On torque it will get back to -1.0 but on the sct x4 it only goes to -.96.


My car did weird things at the track until it fully adjusted.

Are you referring to fuel trims?
Octane adjust ratio (OAR)
https://www.cobbtuning.com/ford-ecoboost-and-the-octane-adjust-ratio-monitor/

Ah ok, learn something new every day. Thanks!
- Lee
Technical Sales, Ortiz Tuning and Performance
F-150, Mustang, Lincoln MKS, Taurus SHO and Ford Flex Tuning

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TopherSho

Quote from: FiveLeeter918 on June 02, 2017, 03:09:52 PM
Quote from: glock-coma on June 02, 2017, 02:57:16 PM
Quote from: FiveLeeter918 on June 02, 2017, 02:55:21 PM
Quote from: glock-coma on May 24, 2017, 06:27:46 PM
Since you have a 2010-2012 your oar will reset back to 0 when you reflash.
So I'm not sure you'll get to most out of it until it readjusts back .96-1.0.

On torque it will get back to -1.0 but on the sct x4 it only goes to -.96.


My car did weird things at the track until it fully adjusted.

Are you referring to fuel trims?
Octane adjust ratio (OAR)
https://www.cobbtuning.com/ford-ecoboost-and-the-octane-adjust-ratio-monitor/

Ah ok, learn something new every day. Thanks!

Ya,  learnt my lesson son.. don't do it.
2010 non-pp, 98k miles, 3-bar,  .026 plugs, SNOW-KIT STG1, AJPTurbu tune#35, 15.5+psi
Best 0-60 public road 4.35s
Best 1/4 of 12.61 no DA correction

16MagSport

I switched tunes at the track and it ran exactly what it had run the last time I ran that tune, which I had run for weeks before racing the first time.
2016 Magnetic Explorer Sport 401A  (Wife's DD)  13.55 @ 99.87 mph AJP Tune Only.
1993 Mustang, Big Bore Dart block 347 with Vortech SC, TKO500, 10.84 @ 128.5mph
         (Burned in Cali wildfire)
2006 Dodge Ram, 2WD Quad Cab Hemi, 14.60 @ 92mph
         (Burned in Cali wildfire)

TopherSho

Quote from: 16MagSport on August 18, 2017, 08:13:22 PM
I switched tunes at the track and it ran exactly what it had run the last time I ran that tune, which I had run for weeks before racing the first time.

For my gen-1 sho flashing also clears KAM, and mess my OAR up.  It takes about a hour for my car to get back to optimal timing and a day or two for shift behavior.
2010 non-pp, 98k miles, 3-bar,  .026 plugs, SNOW-KIT STG1, AJPTurbu tune#35, 15.5+psi
Best 0-60 public road 4.35s
Best 1/4 of 12.61 no DA correction

yo tony

I've done it twice I wouldn't recommend it. Car ran like crap.
3 bar tune. Unleashed and BCB. Air raid intake. Snow stage 1 water meth. 3 inch non catted down pipes
Unleashed 12.53 @ 110
BCB 12.54 @ 110
Currently working on a tune with Brad and loving where it's going. Times to come

FiveLeeter918

weird I can change tunes on the fly, clear KAM, and then run it and it's fine.
- Lee
Technical Sales, Ortiz Tuning and Performance
F-150, Mustang, Lincoln MKS, Taurus SHO and Ford Flex Tuning

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AJP turbo

#11
Quote from: FiveLeeter918 on August 22, 2017, 12:27:35 AM
weird I can change tunes on the fly, clear KAM, and then run it and it's fine.

Might have ran "fine" but your adaptives got reset along with your OAR and I/M monitors so when that happens you won't be getting your full spark from octane adjust ratio....Often it doesn't take long to get it back though.

fiveleeter you have any data logs taken via livelink?
SCT Dealer/Custom Calibrator                        
Specializing in 3.5 Ecoboost   
Remote/email custom tuning including E85 blends 
Authorized retailer for all SCT devices. 
 
Former:2014 PP SHO
3 bar 93 tune, Airaid, Stainless Works non catted DP's  
405whp/520tq
Dyno
     
Current:2016 F150 2.7 Ecoboost
Tuning in progress

FiveLeeter918

- Lee
Technical Sales, Ortiz Tuning and Performance
F-150, Mustang, Lincoln MKS, Taurus SHO and Ford Flex Tuning

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irondoor19

#13
This is Coming from the master Mech at the Dealer WE NOW TRUST..

Prior to Programming always have a Charger on the Battery,
DO NOT Download unless Battery Voltage is 12.5 VDC Minimum "Corrected"

After Smoking an ECU, and locking up the SCT  I learned the hard way,
Always, always check the battery Voltage, (and Have a charger hooked
to the Battery).  WE Did this OFFSITE:  The Lights and Radio were on,
Battery was on its way out, SO:

This Miss step cost me a A Tow, An ECU, A F*&^* from
the First Dealer Money Wise, Plus they Broke the Windshield taking the Wiper
off the Driver Side, and covered It Up, We found that out one month Later

SO when i added all the cost up.. I CRIED (yea Over a Grand)
2010 Lincoln MKS, BONE Stock for Now, 2014 3.7L Police, Drop IN K&N,

SHOdded

2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!