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Continental at the track again

Started by Brucelinc, July 12, 2017, 11:57:50 PM

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Brucelinc

OK, these times will not impress you tuned SHO guys but I think it is safe to say that I have the fastest 2017 Lincoln Continental at the moment.  DA was over 2500 and my IAT2 was 150 at the start of the runs and 185 at the end.  Better, cooler air would have helped!  AJP turbo may have a few more tricks up his sleeve, too.

Took down a Jeep SRT8.

https://youtu.be/xG2bzHgjy4E



 

lamrith

Well done!  specially given the DA and IAT temps!
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Nice!!! Those are dang fast runs, I bet a few were surprised.
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'14 Taurus SHO - non PP, Unleashed E20 tune, 3 bar - 12.91 @ 106.5 mph
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Brucelinc

The good news is that Brad says my fuel pump can handle lots of E85.  I might have to have him build me a race tune.   :drive:

Another thing:  This car hooks like you wouldn't believe.  The torque vectoring rear axle allows more power going to the rear than my old MKS. 

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If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

TopherSho

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Quote from: Brucelinc on July 12, 2017, 11:57:50 PM
OK, these times will not impress you tuned SHO guys but I think it is safe to say that I have the fastest 2017 Lincoln Continental at the moment.  DA was over 2500 and my IAT2 was 150 at the start of the runs and 185 at the end.  Better, cooler air would have helped!  AJP turbo may have a few more tricks up his sleeve, too.

Took down a Jeep SRT8.

https://youtu.be/xG2bzHgjy4E


Given the IAT2 you are faster than my tuned sho :( ..  by best ''track run'' has been 13.08 with about a 120 iat start so your runs are solid..
2010 non-pp, 98k miles, 3-bar,  .026 plugs, SNOW-KIT STG1, AJPTurbu tune#35, 15.5+psi
Best 0-60 public road 4.35s
Best 1/4 of 12.61 no DA correction

Macgyver

Stupid question. But since it was mentioned above. Does the SHO Vector? Or is it just a normal AWD system.

sholxgt

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The SHO does not vector.

Wow Bruce!  Congrats on the new ride and a crazy/huge congrats on the new rides time slips.  That thing is much faster than I was thinking it would be. 

I know this sounds crazy, but I'm wondering if that thing has an 11.99 in it with a good ethanol tune.
Current - 2019 F150 Platinum FX4 3.5 EB
Formerly -2013 MKS Ecoboost Premium
PPE Catted DP's, 170 Reische TS, K&N Drop In, AJP Tune only at track - 12.87@106

FoMoCoSHO

2013+ has software torque vectoring....

Brucelinc

My understanding is that 2013+ SHOs have brake-based torque vectoring.   When pushing the car through corners at higher speeds, it will apply some braking to the inside wheel to help eliminate understeer.   It is further my understanding that the 2013+ models can send more torque to the rear than 2010-2012 models.

The Continental Dynamic Torque Vectoring is a bit different and works like the system in the Focus RS.  It has clutch packs on each side of the RDU to distribute torque to the appropriate wheel (or both).  This system is supposedly capable of sending up to 100% of torque to the rear and up to 100% of torque to either rear wheel.

The real purpose of all this was to make front wheel drive cars handle more like rear drive - eliminating the tendency to understeer.  The benefit to us who like to drag race is better off the line traction.  From my experience so far, I think it would take a hellacious amount of power to have a traction problem with my car.   

FoMoCoSHO

Quote from: Brucelinc on July 15, 2017, 09:25:01 AM
My understanding is that 2013+ SHOs have brake-based torque vectoring.   When pushing the car through corners at higher speeds, it will apply some braking to the inside wheel to help eliminate understeer.   It is further my understanding that the 2013+ models can send more torque to the rear than 2010-2012 models.

The Continental Dynamic Torque Vectoring is a bit different and works like the system in the Focus RS.  It has clutch packs on each side of the RDU to distribute torque to the appropriate wheel (or both).  This system is supposedly capable of sending up to 100% of torque to the rear and up to 100% of torque to either rear wheel.

The real purpose of all this was to make front wheel drive cars handle more like rear drive - eliminating the tendency to understeer.  The benefit to us who like to drag race is better off the line traction.  From my experience so far, I think it would take a hellacious amount of power to have a traction problem with my car.
I thought you guys got the real torque vectoring, i wasn't sure cause info isn't readily available.

You need to corn up so you can test those traction limits.

Brucelinc

I am very happy with the tune that Brad has provided.  It is a great daily driver tune.   Some of the things that work for the 3.5 ecoboost do not work the same with the 3.0TT in the Continental.  We have been chasing the ideal shift points for several revisions and getting them right is not as straightforward as it is with the SHO.  We have had shift points as low as 5800 and as high as 6700 but the sweet spot seems to be between 61-6200.

I have been doing my logs in Drive but I use Sport mode at the track.   It seems that the shift points are a bit higher when using Sport so that made some of my logs inaccurate for drag racing.  Another variable is that I would typically log the car immediately after Brad sent the tune revision.  I probably should have been driving it around some first so that any adapting would take effect.

Brad and I have discussed an E50 tune with 4 degrees more spark.  Apparently, the fuel pump on the 3.0tt can handle strong mixes of the joy-juice.

FoMoCoSHO

Quote from: Brucelinc on July 15, 2017, 09:39:21 AM
I am very happy with the tune that Brad has provided.  It is a great daily driver tune.   Some of the things that work for the 3.5 ecoboost do not work the same with the 3.0TT in the Continental.  We have been chasing the ideal shift points for several revisions and getting them right is not as straightforward as it is with the SHO.  We have had shift points as low as 5800 and as high as 6700 but the sweet spot seems to be between 61-6200.

I have been doing my logs in Drive but I use Sport mode at the track.   It seems that the shift points are a bit higher when using Sport so that made some of my logs inaccurate for drag racing.  Another variable is that I would typically log the car immediately after Brad sent the tune revision.  I probably should have been driving it around some first so that any adapting would take effect.

Brad and I have discussed an E50 tune with 4 degrees more spark.  Apparently, the fuel pump on the 3.0tt can handle strong mixes of the joy-juice.
I'm jealous you could shift at 6700, my trans just refuses to behave. Definitely not straightforward in mine.

DI corn behaves differently and has different tuning needs. Pretty much all of the research on di E85 has been tested in mine. Real world results match what has been done in the lab. E45-50 is really easy to blend on the fly if your local supplier is consistent with their blends.


Brucelinc

I ran again at Brainerd tonight.  DA was 3000 and higher at times....very muggy evening.  I am not running again until better air.  I think I have found a flaw with the Continental than no amount of tuning will fix.  When I launched it hard - like I need to for the best time - I got really bad wheel hop tonight.   I am not sure if it was track prep or just the soft suspension of the Continental but there was no way I could launch like I wanted to without risking damage.