not sure if it's normal, but between 1400-1800 or so rpm, the engine is awful. it doesn't matter if I'm in S or D. anyone else notice that? I do have a tune from torrie, but doubt it's related. it's not from a hard stop. it's if I'm just cruising and press the gas pedal while it's in that range.
That sounds about right.
I think this the rpm range where the ECOBOOST has a very small amount of turbo lag.
Agree....Sounds like it could be you're aware of the very slight turbo lag... Stock tune had my turbos becoming effective about 2100-2200 rpm... When I added the Downpipes the spike in TQ and HP rise on the dyno moved down to 1600-1700 rpms... More pull down low. Again this is all stock tuned... After adding the tune with DP adjustment the low end really pulled.
I have something similar. If I am cruising at the same speed for a bit and try to accelerate it doesn't respond. When it happens I can keep the pedal in the same position for like 5 seconds and it still won't accelerate. Once I let off and push in again it accelerates just fine.
Quote from: Blackhawk on October 08, 2015, 11:25:03 AM
I have something similar. If I am cruising at the same speed for a bit and try to accelerate it doesn't respond. When it happens I can keep the pedal in the same position for like 5 seconds and it still won't accelerate. Once I let off and push in again it accelerates just fine.
That happened a lot on the 2013 but hasn't happened on the new one at all.
Response/shift logic change, maybe?
well, i ordered ppe downpipes 9/1. manufacturer issues result in me not getting them for another 2-3 weeks still(unreal). hopefully that will help once I have those and the magnaflow x pipe installed in place of the 3rd cat.
Quote from: SHOdded on October 08, 2015, 11:33:00 AM
Response/shift logic change, maybe?
I know something changed, I had completely forgotten about it on the old car till this thread.
I know on the old car when it happened it felt like the car was confused the figured it out and off she went.
I think its that winter blend gas,probably be best to send Torrie a log,probably need a tweak in the tune,sometimes they adjust the throttle blade at various points which they close and open slower to keep from having any issues like hesitation. Z
Quote from: Blackhawk on October 08, 2015, 11:25:03 AM
I have something similar. If I am cruising at the same speed for a bit and try to accelerate it doesn't respond. When it happens I can keep the pedal in the same position for like 5 seconds and it still won't accelerate. Once I let off and push in again it accelerates just fine.
I wonder if doing a throttle pedal recalibration would fix this. I know there was a how to somewhere on the forum.
Quote from: glock-coma on October 08, 2015, 12:39:49 PM
Quote from: Blackhawk on October 08, 2015, 11:25:03 AM
I have something similar. If I am cruising at the same speed for a bit and try to accelerate it doesn't respond. When it happens I can keep the pedal in the same position for like 5 seconds and it still won't accelerate. Once I let off and push in again it accelerates just fine.
I wonder if doing a throttle pedal recalibration would fix this. I know there was a how to somewhere on the forum.
Is this where you turn the car on (do not start car) mash pedal to the floor. Let your foot slide off the side of pedal, to allow pedal to raise fast. Turn off the car and wait 30sec. Start car and drive as normal or like you stole it. I did this and throttle responce was better, not perfect, without a tune.
When do they start winterblend gas? I did just start to notice it in the past month or so. It's to the point where I am considering detuning and taking it in to the dealer. If it was the tune I would think I would have always noticed it.
Quote from: ZSHO on October 08, 2015, 11:56:19 AM
I think its that winter blend gas,probably be best to send Torrie a log,probably need a tweak in the tune,sometimes they adjust the throttle blade at various points which they close and open slower to keep from having any issues like hesitation. Z
Quote from: Blackhawk on October 08, 2015, 12:59:11 PM
When do they start winterblend gas? I did just start to notice it in the past month or so.
Quote from: ZSHO on October 08, 2015, 11:56:19 AM
I think its that winter blend gas,probably be best to send Torrie a log,probably need a tweak in the tune,sometimes they adjust the throttle blade at various points which they close and open slower to keep from having any issues like hesitation. Z
I think BND Bryan said 9/15
Quote from: Blackhawk on October 08, 2015, 12:59:11 PM
When do they start winterblend gas? I did just start to notice it in the past month or so. It's to the point where I am considering detuning and taking it in to the dealer. If it was the tune I would think I would have always noticed it.
Quote from: ZSHO on October 08, 2015, 11:56:19 AM
I think its that winter blend gas,probably be best to send Torrie a log,probably need a tweak in the tune,sometimes they adjust the throttle blade at various points which they close and open slower to keep from having any issues like hesitation. Z
Based on this report the (winter blend)gasoline officially started on 9/16/15. Z http://www.atlasoil.com/Blog/Winter-Blend-Gasoline-is-on-its-Way (http://www.atlasoil.com/Blog/Winter-Blend-Gasoline-is-on-its-Way) Hope this helps any.
I'm going to try the recal steps. the throttle does seem jumpy at time anyways.
Thanks for the help guys, that does seem like it might line up. I'll try the pedal re-calibrate thing as well as get a log for Torrie. It's really been bugging me out.
Quote from: ZSHO on October 08, 2015, 01:40:13 PM
Quote from: Blackhawk on October 08, 2015, 12:59:11 PM
When do they start winterblend gas? I did just start to notice it in the past month or so. It's to the point where I am considering detuning and taking it in to the dealer. If it was the tune I would think I would have always noticed it.
Quote from: ZSHO on October 08, 2015, 11:56:19 AM
I think its that winter blend gas,probably be best to send Torrie a log,probably need a tweak in the tune,sometimes they adjust the throttle blade at various points which they close and open slower to keep from having any issues like hesitation. Z
Based on this report the (winter blend)gasoline officially started on 9/16/15. Z http://www.atlasoil.com/Blog/Winter-Blend-Gasoline-is-on-its-Way (http://www.atlasoil.com/Blog/Winter-Blend-Gasoline-is-on-its-Way) Hope this helps any.
For any of the Unleashed guys, problem or not, I highly recommend the log/retune process. It doesn't cost anything except some time and a blast down your favorite highway on ramp.
I'm not very deep on the 2015 but the 2013 got better every cycle, sometimes just a little but by the time I traded it, the car was about as perfect as I could ask for.
Imagine my horror on the drive to the dealership when i flashed it back to stock, lol.
11 total tune revisions.
I second that
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on October 08, 2015, 05:17:54 PM
For any of the Unleashed guys, problem or not, I highly recommend the log/retune process. It doesn't cost anything except some time and a blast down your favorite highway on ramp.
I'm not very deep on the 2015 but the 2013 got better every cycle, sometimes just a little but by the time I traded it, the car was about as perfect as I could ask for.
Imagine my horror on the drive to the dealership when i flashed it back to stock, lol.
11 total tune revisions.
I need to do this to take advantage of the E
Quote from: ZSHO on October 08, 2015, 01:40:13 PM
Quote from: Blackhawk on October 08, 2015, 12:59:11 PM
When do they start winterblend gas? I did just start to notice it in the past month or so. It's to the point where I am considering detuning and taking it in to the dealer. If it was the tune I would think I would have always noticed it.
Quote from: ZSHO on October 08, 2015, 11:56:19 AM
I think its that winter blend gas,probably be best to send Torrie a log,probably need a tweak in the tune,sometimes they adjust the throttle blade at various points which they close and open slower to keep from having any issues like hesitation. Z
Based on this report the (winter blend)gasoline officially started on 9/16/15. Z http://www.atlasoil.com/Blog/Winter-Blend-Gasoline-is-on-its-Way (http://www.atlasoil.com/Blog/Winter-Blend-Gasoline-is-on-its-Way) Hope this helps any.
Depends on your zone. NYC and Chicago zones started 9/15 or so. Philly, Baltimore and DC this week. I'm a truck driver who hauls ethanol.
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Swing by my house please....
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on October 09, 2015, 09:42:07 PM
Swing by my house please....
S. you want to go 50/50 on the deal,BTW how much for the hole shipment.lol Z
Quote from: ZSHO on October 09, 2015, 10:34:56 PM
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on October 09, 2015, 09:42:07 PM
Swing by my house please....
S. you want to go 50/50 on the deal,BTW how much for the hole shipment.lol Z
Product cost about 12k for 7100 gallons plus fuel, tolls (NYC adds 250) and delivery charges...roughly about $15,200. Better have a big tank!
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Quote from: brian.t.flynn.9 on October 11, 2015, 08:13:44 AM
Quote from: ZSHO on October 09, 2015, 10:34:56 PM
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on October 09, 2015, 09:42:07 PM
Swing by my house please....
S. you want to go 50/50 on the deal,BTW how much for the hole shipment.lol Z
Product cost about 12k for 7100 gallons plus fuel, tolls (NYC adds 250) and delivery charges...roughly about $15,200. Better have a big tank!
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I'm not paying much more than that at my local station.....
when stock ive had the pedal to the floor for 2-3 seconds once in a blue moon and nothing really happens then whoosh. may have been around 1600-2200. Tuned it was the greatest improvement. havnt been able to fix another issue so who knows.
after doing some research, I will check my intercooler. apparently there is a sludge/condensation issue on the ecoboosts, especially from the south. mine was born and bred in texas for 2 years before I brought it home to the northeast. looks like a simple drilling could solve my issue.
Quote from: cseverens on December 03, 2015, 02:40:25 PM
after doing some research, I will check my intercooler. apparently there is a sludge/condensation issue on the ecoboosts, especially from the south. mine was born and bred in texas for 2 years before I brought it home to the northeast. looks like a simple drilling could solve my issue.
I think you work for a Ford dealer correct?if so please do not drill any kind of holes on your car,its not a F-150,need to take a compressor type suction gun and have all that oil,waste,h20 sucked out properly from the CAC,mt dealer performed this procedure for free,.Z https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urMO7Z5d02k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urMO7Z5d02k)
http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,3056.0.html (http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,3056.0.html)
I do work at a ford dealer. I do not have any services done on any of my cars anymore by my dealer. too many issues in the past. I use a different ford dealership for services. I am out of warranty, so I doubt it would be free.
Hey guys, try this next time you hit the dead spot, pull up on the brake pedal with your left foot, see if it starts accelerating. I had this same thing, turns out my brake light switch was messed up, when the brakes are pressed (or in my case when the switch was acting stupid), at those rpm's i would give it gas and it would die, for me initially i found taking my foot off the gas then putting it back on it would correct the issue, then after like six months i finally figured out root cause.
Quote from: boostedflex on December 04, 2015, 08:27:25 AM
I had this same thing, turns out my brake light switch was messed up ...
Good to know :thumb:
Man I think you just nailed my problem because I have noticed sometimes when I park my brake lights stay on and I have to tap the pedal to get them to come off. I never considered it happening while I was moving.
This would certainly be a lot easier to fix then and engine or transmission issue.
How did you fix the brake light switch?
Quote from: boostedflex on December 04, 2015, 08:27:25 AM
Hey guys, try this next time you hit the dead spot, pull up on the brake pedal with your left foot, see if it starts accelerating. I had this same thing, turns out my brake light switch was messed up, when the brakes are pressed (or in my case when the switch was acting stupid), at those rpm's i would give it gas and it would die, for me initially i found taking my foot off the gas then putting it back on it would correct the issue, then after like six months i finally figured out root cause.
The brake light switch or stoplamp switch (P/N 8T4Z13480A/SW6559, I believe) or BOO/BrakeOnOff switch should be fairly easy to replace. From the 2007 Edge FSM:
Removal
Disconnect the stoplamp switch electrical connector.
NOTE: The stoplamp switch will be difficult to remove if the switch plunger is not depressed. A slight rearward force should be adequate to depress the plunger.
With a light force (approximately 1-4 N [1-3 lb]), pull rearward on the brake pedal, rotate the stoplamp switch 45 degrees clockwise and remove the stoplamp switch.
Installation
CAUTION: It is very important to not press, pull or touch the brake pedal assembly during the installation of the stoplamp switch. Failure to follow these instructions may damage the stoplamp switch.
Without movement to the brake pedal assembly, install the stoplamp switch and rotate 45 degrees counterclockwise.
Connect the stoplamp switch electrical connector.
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Some times the remote start feature is disabled due to a faulty brake pedal switch or low battery. Z
Thanks, The switch is much cheaper then paying my warranty deductible, I was wondering if something else in the brake pedal mechanics was maybe binding when he fixed it.
On mine i was worried it was mechanical with the pedal, not the switch, however the switch was like 30 dollars i think, so i gambled and it paid off, took like ten minutes to change, and this was at least four months ago, no problems since :)
And let me tell you, the dead spot PISSED ME OFF TO NO END, I was ssssooo happy when this fixed it.
Quote from: ZSHO on December 04, 2015, 01:32:40 PM
Some times the remote start feature is disabled due to a faulty brake pedal switch or low battery. Z
Any idea why the switch is involved, Z? Is that the car thinking someone's in the vehicle?
Quote from: ZSHO on December 04, 2015, 01:32:40 PM
Some times the remote start feature is disabled due to a faulty brake pedal switch or low battery. Z
There are actually quite a few dtc's that will disable it as well. Like when my vct cam solenoid failed.
It has aggravated me to no end, I was dreading putting the car back to stock to take it into the dealer. When it happens it feels like a serious problem with the car yet there are never DTC's. It never happened on the way home today to try pulling up on the brake pedal but I'll just order it since I've seen them get stuck on in the driveway. Thanks again!
Quote from: boostedflex on December 04, 2015, 05:19:49 PM
On mine i was worried it was mechanical with the pedal, not the switch, however the switch was like 30 dollars i think, so i gambled and it paid off, took like ten minutes to change, and this was at least four months ago, no problems since :)
And let me tell you, the dead spot PISSED ME OFF TO NO END, I was ssssooo happy when this fixed it.
If you are using Forscan datalogging software, there should be a PID for BOO so you can see evidence for the problem if it happens again.
Thanks, I'll check that out.
Quote from: SHOdded on December 05, 2015, 05:40:42 AM
If you are using Forscan datalogging software, there should be a PID for BOO so you can see evidence for the problem if it happens again.
I downloaded Forscan lite and used it on my drive in this morning to monitor BOO1 and 2. I can definitely seeing the brake switch sticking and saw it on while I was having accel problem. Thanks for pointing the PID out, it gave me even more confirmation this was the problem.
Quote from: SHOdded on December 05, 2015, 05:40:42 AM
If you are using Forscan datalogging software, there should be a PID for BOO so you can see evidence for the problem if it happens again.
Cool!
You guys hit the nail on the head with the questions I had after getting a Unleashed tune on my 2011. Feels like I have the acceleration dead spot possibly as well. Being new to tuning and what not I was wondering if someone can point me to somewhere that explains how to datalog. I use a sct x3 tuner if anyone is familiar. With that. Thanks for the help. This forum definitely makes you feel like you have a team of mechanics.
Hi showme, did you read the latest posts to the thread regarding the sticking brake light switch? This can be confirmed just by pulling up on the brake pedal when it happens although watching the BOO pids realtime helps.