Just received my 13 SHO from Livernois on Friday evening.
My car has the upgraded turbo wheels, tune, full exhaust, and methanol injection.
Under part throttle - WOT the car will smoke like a diesel, and upon deceleration, it will pour white smoke out the exhaust.
The fluids look "normal". Does this sound like the turbo seals are bad?
The car dyno'd at 403 with the 93 tune, and 414 with race gas.
The car has 800 miles on the clock.
Thanks for any guidance!
Mike
I hope it's not white smoke, that's really bad, it indicates you have a bad head gasket or somehow water is getting into the exhaust. I would expect blue smoke due to the turbos smoking.
Here's the normal scenarios for colored smoke:
Blue smoke indicates burning oil (this is the most common). If the car is older, or has high mileage, than most likely the piston rings have worn down and oil is getting by the piston as it moves down the cylinder wall. It then gets burned with the fuel, which produces the blue smoke. The faster you go, the more smoke pours out of the car. If this is what's happening, keep an eye on your oil level. You will definitely have to add some between oil changes. This would be very expensive to fix, so I would recommend continue driving the car and adding oil, but start saving up for a new one.
White:
White smoke is not such a good thing. It means that coolant/antifreeze has gotten into the cylinder and is burning with the fuel. This should not be happening. If your car is burning white smoke (not just the white exhaust on a cold day, but consistently produces white smoke), first check your coolant tank and monitor the levels for a while and note if it's going down a lot. You should also look at the coolant and see if oil is mixing with it. Also pull out the dipstick and look for coolant that was contaminated the oil. Look for green spots on the dipstick, or an oil consistancy of chocolate milk. If the coolant is mixing with the oil, and you continue to drive the car, the car is not getting the proper lubrication it needs, and the engine can sieze at any minute (this will junk the car). The mixing is caused by a blown head gasket(most likely), possibly a blown intake manifold gasket, or worst case scenario, a cracked head. If the gasket is the problem, your looking at about $700 in a shop.
Black:
If you have black smoke coming out the end, it means that too much fuel is being dumped into the cylinder, and not all of it has the chance to burn. This is caused by a faulty fuel-management computer, fuel pump, a faulty injector, or on older cars, a poorly tuned carbeurator. This is cause for the least concern, and usually just means you will get bad gas mileage. I would still have it checked out eventually.
Thanks for the info.
It is all white smoke.....
It smells like pure oil burning, but the white is a bad sign.
I have put 120 mile on it from Friday.....
Looks like it will be going back to MI.
Mike
Quote from: BOOSTD SHO on July 01, 2013, 09:06:20 AM
Thanks for the info.
It is all white smoke.....
It smells like pure oil burning, but the white is a bad sign.
I have put 120 mile on it from Friday.....
Looks like it will be going back to MI.
Mike
I would bet it's turbo seals, I will hope for you that is what it is, oil smell and smoke is usually that.
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Yes... Upgraded turbos soon to be available here via 4DRHTRD's efforts, or via Livernois.
I think darreli had HD turbo seals installed, no? Could also be the methanol kit is malfunctioning in some manner.
it might just need to burn off the oils from the new exhaust and turbos.
I'm with 4DR...bet its the turbo seals. Mine leaked at one point and I had the same s/s. That was one of the things that prompted me having the turbos re-worked when I did. Tial does but better seals in with the "upgrade".
Quote from: 12sho on July 01, 2013, 11:16:31 AM
it might just need to burn off the oils from the new exhaust and turbos.
This is a possibility, but I would think with the 120 miles and a couple dyno pulls that it would be gone by now...
I would look at turbo seals. My truck would smoke light gray/white/blueish smoke on decel when my turbo seals too a sh!t...Hard to tell on acceleration if it smoked since it is a diesel.
Are you sure it is white smoke or a does it have a blueish hue to it?
All,
The smoke is so prevalent that after I run it, I can come to a stop and go see the tail pipes and it comes out a pure white and smells just like burning oil.
The car runs great, just the smoke is the immediate concern. This is why I feel the seals or something internal to the turbo upgrades are the issue(s).....
Thanks Again!
Mike
Am I correct that you have the new upgraded Livernois sourced turbos? If so, I would bet that they (one or 2) are the issue.
Andy from Livernois emailed me and mentioned that the new turbos may require as much as 800 miles on them before the turbo seals properly seat. I currently have 130 miles on her from getting the car back.
All the fluids look great, and the levels are all good.
I am hopeful that this will be the case!
The car runs great! Still getting use to the Corsa exhaust...... sounds a little rice'ish.
Once my confidence is up I will take it to the track to see how fast she is!
Thanks All! Great forum!
Mike
That seems strange to me... but what do I know...
After having installed dozens of turbos over the years, I've never heard of such a thing. Never had to wait for turbo seals to seat.
Quote from: turbodave on July 02, 2013, 10:42:04 AM
After having installed dozens of turbos over the years, I've never heard of such a thing. Never had to wait for turbo seals to seat.
I was thinking the same thing, if you're having issues with turbo seals out of the box they're bad...
Ask Darreli about Andy......
I also had an issue with him over the serpentine belt with the underdrive pulley I purchased from Livernois. Sent me the wrong one.. He argued with me and eventually allowed me to send it back for a refund at MY expense. Overall cost extra due to his mistake... at least $50.
Rick was great. Can't say enough good things about him.
(strangely, I am of the similar opinions........)
Time will tell with the seals.
Hope they need to swell, seat, or whatever.
Car runs great! It feels like it may be a solid low 12 second car. Keeps pulling and pulling!
Mike
I was on the interstate today, and I thought you were in front of me, pulling a trailer, but it turned out to be a Chevy Diesel Pickup - Constant smoke!
I surely hope you get it fixed or it fixes itself.
Now have 2200 miles on the car, and it smokes like a PIG even more.
Fluids look OK, just the dipstick is dropping, and I am adding oil......
Looks like the turbo builder is hanging me out to dry on this..... The car had 174 miles on it and they installed the new wheels, but did not change any of the seals, and appear to not have any interest in making the car right .....
Does an aftermarket company make a complete turbo upgrade yet?
Not happy with the car so far, due to the lack of any definitive course of action from the $11,000+ I spent and the 6 months at the shop....
Irritated!
What shame! I don't know what the standard is turbo shops as in a warranty for there workmanship. Apparently there is none, well what every problem is. Its probably only one of the turbo's, I just can't believe no one is stepping up to the plate to make it right.
Try PM'ing Chris at Livernois. He is quite active on this forum, so hopefully he will have a solution for you.
I would hope, given the fact that so many people are potentially going to purchase these upgraded turbo's, that stepping up to the plate, and "making it right" so to speak, wouldn't even have to be mentioned.
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I'm not getting a warm and fuzzy feeling about this now.
I was planning to drop the six grand in January to get the turbo and meth installed.
I will be actively watching this. Curious on its resolution.
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Same here, this has me very concerned. But we need to keep in mind we have half the story, and those of us that have been on the dyno know that s*** happens. Such as a burned up meth controller or unresponsive O2's, so things go wrong that are no ones fault. Its a part of the game for performance. Now whether LMS chooses to comment on this individual case on the forum is up to them, but I know it will be question they will have answer to me before I have any of these mods done. But we have to keep in mind each mod has its own risks, this maybe one of them. So hopefully some light can be shed on the subject, so all can benefit from this unfortunate case.
That's a pretty big Ouch. And Im with turbo Dave on the smoke. Their is a ton of other platforms that plus 11k would create much faster cars. Wow...
The thing that stinks is I got the car dropped of in the pouring rain, drove it for 1 mile and parked it. Next day I put the plates on and drove it to get it inspected, and at this point the smoke was prevalent. I emailed Andy, and he mentioned the car may need to be driven as much as 800 miles for the "new" turbo seals to seat.
Last email the turbo builder ma have not even touched the seals when they were apart...... Turbos had 174 miles on them when the build started. I received the car with 675 miles.
I am hopeful that Livernois will step up and help me out...... Time will tell. Either way I am out of the use of my car, and all the extra expenses, again.
Mike
Why would they not replace seals if they're changing the fan blade?
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Quote from: geswek on July 21, 2013, 10:57:07 PM
Why would they not replace seals if they're changing the fan blade?
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They're only machining out the front side cover and installing a new compressor wheel, no reason to dig into the turbo sooner if they're new. The Tial (Livernois) turbos are a fairly easy upgrade except for the machining process.
I watch some video's last night on rebuilding turbo's. The sealing system used inside turbo particularly on the spindle, it would appear if the wheel was made to in correct spec's and there was to much side to side play. It could result in a oil leak, this is just my unedujumacated opinion in my attempts to a understand how the sealing system works on a turbo.
So Livernois sources the turbo upgrade with another company, so they don't warranty the work? This doesn't make any sense to me. Did they tell you all of this when you were getting them to do all of this work? Or did you source the turbo upgrade yourself and have Livernois do the work? I'm just not understanding why Livernois would do business this way...
From what my dyno sheets show, the turbo upgrade does not add any peak HP to the curve from those who have the stock wheels.
They may increase the HP in the whole RPM range.....??
Mike
Post your dyno sheets up with the pre/post please. I'm also curious as to your pre/post boost levels.
Keep in mind fellas boostedsho has a 2013. I not sure for whatever reasons but LMS isn't able to get as much power out of them.
I know Steve was disappointed with his 2013 performance.
Quote from: crash712us on July 24, 2013, 10:57:19 AM
Keep in mind fellas boostedsho has a 2013. I not sure for whatever reasons but LMS isn't able to get as much power out of them.
I know Steve was disappointed with his 2013 performance.
Hmm; AWD issue?
AFAIK, nothing changed in the engines.
Quote from: crash712us on July 24, 2013, 10:57:19 AM
Keep in mind fellas boostedsho has a 2013. I not sure for whatever reasons but LMS isn't able to get as much power out of them.
I know Steve was disappointed with his 2013 performance.
Really that is new information to me. Ford must have changes something then.
For one the program in the ECM is encrypted.
Quote from: crash712us on July 24, 2013, 11:03:32 AM
For one the program in the ECM is encrypted.
That doesn't surprise me; considering all the warranty claims off modified engines. ;)
They made me sign a paper when I bought my car that if I did a single modification my warranty would be voided.
Just wanted to make everyone aware of this new thread located here ------>
http://ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php?topic=704.msg5731;topicseen#new (http://ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php?topic=704.msg5731;topicseen#new)
I originally posted it within this thread, but 4DR split off my post, and created a new topic as it appears there may be questions that all of us who are considering the upgraded turbo's may have.
Thanks to 4DR for highlighting the topic, and making it it's own thread. :thankyou:
Never realized it before, but 6k to add 50hp??? Holy shiat that seems like alot of coin for that.
Quote from: Darkside on July 24, 2013, 06:54:32 PM
Never realized it before, but 6k to add 50hp??? Holy shiat that seems like alot of coin for that.
All those mods gave him 400hp at the
wheels. Our engine is 365hp at the crank and probably 320 something at wheels.
Quote from: geswek on July 24, 2013, 07:09:55 PM
Quote from: Darkside on July 24, 2013, 06:54:32 PM
Never realized it before, but 6k to add 50hp??? Holy shiat that seems like alot of coin for that.
All those mods gave him 400hp at the wheels. Our engine is 365hp at the crank and probably 320 something at wheels.
No, I understand. I'm over 350 at the wheels now with current mods. I was saying it would cost another 6k to add another 50hp by way of meth/upgraded turbos. That seems like alot to maybe gain 1/2 second.
Quote from: Darkside on July 24, 2013, 07:32:36 PM
No, I understand. I'm over 350 at the wheels now with current mods. I was saying it would cost another 6k to add another 50hp by way of meth/upgraded turbos. That seems like alot to maybe gain 1/2 second.
I don't know if I believe our car is at 350hp with the mods we have; you and I are nearly identical.
Quote from: geswek on July 24, 2013, 07:09:55 PMOur engine is 365hp at the crank and probably 320 something at wheels.
Most stock dyno pulls / sheets that I've seen, including my own, have shown a range of 277-281whp. No mods whatsoever.
Quote from: bpd1151 on July 24, 2013, 07:57:09 PMMost stock dyno pulls / sheets that I've seen, including my own, have shown a range of 277-281whp. No mods whatsoever.
Yeah; 277-280whp to 400whp; well worth the coin in my opinion.
Quote from: geswek on July 24, 2013, 08:15:08 PM
Quote from: bpd1151 on July 24, 2013, 07:57:09 PMMost stock dyno pulls / sheets that I've seen, including my own, have shown a range of 277-281whp. No mods whatsoever.
Yeah; 277-280whp to 400whp; well worth the coin in my opinion.
Step it up big hitter! Stroke the check...
Quote from: Needmoreboost on July 24, 2013, 08:52:38 PMStep it up big hitter! Stroke the check...
Need another 11k on the odo before I do it.
Rate I'm going, it'll be probably sometime around Feb or March.
Quote from: BOOSTD SHO on July 24, 2013, 06:04:43 AM
From what my dyno sheets show, the turbo upgrade does not add any peak HP to the curve from those who have the stock wheels.
They may increase the HP in the whole RPM range.....??
Mike
Sorry dude, I have some questions? When did you have it dyno'd? While smoke was pouring out of the rear? They dyno'd your car with an obvious problem? Where did you buy the turbo's? Who did the install? I realize you said you asked Livernois to help you out, but did they do any of the work? Your car wasnt even inspected yet, but you had all this work done? did it pass inspection?
Sorry to sound like an azz, and i will be the first one to apologize, but something doesn't add up. If you really had a problem at Livernois, it would be the first time I have heard of it. Not that they are perfect, just have never heard of it. If you are legit, again, sorry about your problems.
Why not bypass Andy and go straight to Dan. He owns the company and is a real good guy. I'm sure if you talk to him he will do everything he can to get your situation straightened out.
We lost a genuine person when Rick left as he helped me multiple times with issues on my mustang.
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Dan and I are playing phone tag......
Mike
This thread should be moved to the Livernois vendor area.
I will get some popcorn...
Quote from: geswek on July 24, 2013, 07:36:44 PM
I don't know if I believe our car is at 350hp with the mods we have; you and I are nearly identical.
Not guessing here, I have a dyno sheet showing it over 350 right meow.
Hey Mike, any updates?
Curious for an update as well. Can't help but wonder if his car was the guinea pig for tuning the 13's. I'm honestly not feeling the most comfortable with mine until I get a knock gauge installed.
Dan called me yesterday!
Livernois is going to pick the car up and figure out the issue with the turbos!
Very thankful that they are stepping up!
Mike
Quote from: Darkside on August 01, 2013, 09:05:15 AM
Curious for an update as well. Can't help but wonder if his car was the guinea pig for tuning the 13's. I'm honestly not feeling the most comfortable with mine until I get a knock gauge installed.
I've been running their 13 tune for thousands of miles now. if the tune was bad, i think mine would have popped by now.
zero issues.
Quote from: Darkside on August 01, 2013, 09:05:15 AM
Curious for an update as well. Can't help but wonder if his car was the guinea pig for tuning the 13's. I'm honestly not feeling the most comfortable with mine until I get a knock gauge installed.
Dan bought a 13 that was the guinea pig. They haven't had a single tuning issue..I'd say you were safe
Quote from: BOOSTD SHO on August 02, 2013, 06:02:43 AM
Dan called me yesterday!
Livernois is going to pick the car up and figure out the issue with the turbos!
Very thankful that they are stepping up!
Mike
Great to hear that Mike! I had some concerns about my tune and they are going all out for me as well.
Quote from: darreli on August 02, 2013, 09:00:31 AM
Quote from: Darkside on August 01, 2013, 09:05:15 AM
Curious for an update as well. Can't help but wonder if his car was the guinea pig for tuning the 13's. I'm honestly not feeling the most comfortable with mine until I get a knock gauge installed.
Dan bought a 13 that was the guinea pig. They haven't had a single tuning issue..I'd say you were safe
How Much HP are you making?? I am every part currently available and 403 WHP and tq is low 420's
Thanks
Mike
Quote from: darreli on August 02, 2013, 09:00:31 AM
Dan bought a 13 that was the guinea pig. They haven't had a single tuning issue..I'd say you were safe
You weren't there when they were tweaking mine. I honestly don't believe they have 13's dialed in like previous years.
Quote from: Darkside on August 03, 2013, 08:05:12 AM
Quote from: darreli on August 02, 2013, 09:00:31 AM
Dan bought a 13 that was the guinea pig. They haven't had a single tuning issue..I'd say you were safe
You weren't there when they were tweaking mine. I honestly don't believe they have 13's dialed in like previous years.
Your absolutely right dark, 2013's are not dialed like the previous years. Ford made changes to the ECM and encrypted everything.
So the learning curve had to start all over again.
Honesty it took Dan quite awhile to get the previous SHO's to the power levels that Darrell and 1stsho have.
The thread still lives on!
Car still sits in my driveway, smoking away.
What are the turbo upgrades as of now? ATS, any others? Any complete aftermarket units, not rebuilt cores?
I have lost the momentum with the car from when I first got it now with 6,000 miles on it, as people ask me all the time what is wrong with the car due to the smoke every time I stop. I have given up cleaning the windows..... Within 2 days they are all soot'd up on the inside.
Mike
Quote from: BOOSTD SHO on September 30, 2013, 08:19:49 PM
The thread still lives on!
Car still sits in my driveway, smoking away.
What are the turbo upgrades as of now? ATS, any others? Any complete aftermarket units, not rebuilt cores?
I have lost the momentum with the car from when I first got it now with 6,000 miles on it, as people ask me all the time what is wrong with the car due to the smoke every time I stop. I have given up cleaning the windows..... Within 2 days they are all soot'd up on the inside.
Mike
I have a set of turbos ready for you for $1200, send me your smoking cores! I just took them off my car with 1500 miles on them and they're in perfect condition, put down 450+WHP (one pull was 485 but not a complete pull)
:)
I can also sell you some ATP turbo which are new center section turbos, same thing I just put 600WHP/642TQ on. You'd put down considerably less with your combo but the power is there if you want it! :)
My problem in NH is I don't have a shop that knows enough to work on the car..... I know the turbo's should be a plug and play....... a 12 hour plug and play.
What do you think the 13 would be able to make with the ATS?
At one point, I thought LMS was going to upgrade the internals and crank the HP up while fixing the leaking seals. As nothing has happened, I am assuming that Tial will not hold any responsibility for my wheel upgrades if it ever went back to MI......
I am thinking of selling, and going to an Audi..... God forbid, as I almost own all Fords
Mike
You tell me what you need for me to do to help you. I forgot you have the upgraded Tial turbos.
I can give you lots of options including:
1. Pay me $1200 for my turbos and when I get your cores I'll refund you $600.00 (I'll just have your bearings fixed)
2. Have your cores sent to me and I'll have them repaired
3. Buy the ATP turbos
As far as a local shop let me know your zip code and I'll find someone for you.
Let me help you restore your faith in Ford and aftermarket companies. :)
I'll PM you my cell in a few seconds if you want to call me.
Quote from: BOOSTD SHO on August 02, 2013, 06:02:43 AM
Dan called me yesterday!
Livernois is going to pick the car up and figure out the issue with the turbos!
Very thankful that they are stepping up!
Mike
Did they ever pick up your vehicle? If not.... Why Not?
Livernois is a great shop... but nobody's perfect. The real test is what they do to rectify problems, and how long it takes.
Oh yes... do you have catless downpipes by chance? Some with them have had smoking issues.
Mazdaspeed had an issue with the smokey turbo's and most just raised the idle, and something else. Someone can chime in that had a MS. But it fixed it, and same ran a while on it.
Ahh, a fellow NH resident. Do you by chance own the burgundy SHO Ive seen down at NED a few times!?
Quote from: 4DRHTRD on September 30, 2013, 09:11:21 PM
You tell me what you need for me to do to help you. I forgot you have the upgraded Tial turbos.
I can give you lots of options including:
1. Pay me $1200 for my turbos and when I get your cores I'll refund you $600.00 (I'll just have your bearings fixed)
2. Have your cores sent to me and I'll have them repaired
3. Buy the ATP turbos
As far as a local shop let me know your zip code and I'll find someone for you.
Let me help you restore your faith in Ford and aftermarket companies. :)
I'll PM you my cell in a few seconds if you want to call me.
Does the $1,200 offer for your turbos with $600 cores go for anybody?
No because his turbos are upgraded compressor wheels. $1200 and send me your cores
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I find this interesting that his car and problems where never picked up and/or addressed?? He spent a butt load of money with that shop/tuner. Subscribed...
Andy has emailed and said they are going to pick up the car in the next month.
Went to the track last evening and ran a best of 12.6 @ 106....... Not what I was expecting. The cars weight was 4510 as run.
Mike
Good, glad to hear that progress is being made to having this fixed.
There was a couple things the Mazda guys did with that engine. First I believe was a smaller diameter oil feed bolt. From the factory the banjo bolt was a bit large and the amount of oil and it's pressure was able to push passed the seals. Another was the increased idle, 200 or so. And lastly people switched to 5w40 oil. Rotella t6 was the go to for most people.
I never had any smoking issues, but I did do all three before putting the stock k04 through its paces.
2011 ISM SHO; Airaid Intake
11/23/13: Car is still unfixed...... almost a year from when the car was first at their shop. (delivered to the shop Jan 2013, delivered to me end of June)
Same general response...... Lost all faith in the work done by the builder.
Mike
Well that is certainly disheartening.
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Quote from: BOOSTD SHO on November 23, 2013, 08:03:56 AM
11/23/13: Car is still unfixed...... almost a year from when the car was first at their shop. (delivered to the shop Jan 2013, delivered to me end of June)
Same general response...... Lost all faith in the work done by the builder.
Mike
I can get Tial, upgraded stockers or ATP. To help you out I'll sell you a set of any of them for cost +10% (2% goes to CC/Paypal fees). I know you don't want to spend more money but I can at least try and help you out as much as I can with the price of doing something new to replace them.
This thread just makes me want to drive up to livernois and have them build my car....NOT.
Piss poor way to run a business.
With all of the new Ecoboost products/cars coming out, as well as the holiday season, I fear that the SHO has been moved to the bottom of the list. There is a lot of low hanging fruit now, meaning less expensive cars with the EB, therefore owners have more money to spend on "upgrades".
I am Thankful that my car was picked up yesterday to have the turbos fixed!
I am hoping while it is there that we can do more to the car....... It needs more power. Heads, cams, not sure what the next step is??
Any cars near 500 WHP?
Mike
Great news! I hope it comes back soon in tip top shape!
I'm glad you finally got some attention to your problem!
I hope it works out, personally there is no way i'd put more money into a companys pocket that ahd done such poor work and took over a year to give my vehicle any attention.
UPDATE:
Car is still in MI. The turbos have been resealed, and am waiting to hear more on the progress of re-installation.
Andy has mentioned that they are adding more fuel to the cars to increase HP. Hoping that the car can have 450 WHP.... from the 410 it last made...... TBD. 12.60 1/4 mile is not much faster than cars with just a tune..... if at all??
Mike
With 450WHP I would think you'd be in the low 12's. I was at 13 with 343.
Hopefully it will be done soon... and be a rocket!
Quote from: BOOSTD SHO on February 21, 2014, 09:27:04 AM
UPDATE:
Car is still in MI. The turbos have been resealed, and am waiting to hear more on the progress of re-installation.
Andy has mentioned that they are adding more fuel to the cars to increase HP. Hoping that the car can have 450 WHP.... from the 410 it last made...... TBD. 12.60 1/4 mile is not much faster than cars with just a tune..... if at all??
Mike
Aha. I saw your car when I was up there dropping mine off to get tuned last Saturday. So it's been there for almost 3 months now!?!?!?
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How long has your car been down? I swear i read this thread before i had purchased my Egoboost flex.
Glad to hear LMS is finally getting you sorted out Mike. Good news...
We are back to adding more fuel and POWER.....
Looking into the internals and with more fuel hopefully 500 WHP on 93 fuel and methanol.
With the 15 month winter, I am looking forward to driving the SHO SOON!
Thanks
Mike
Awesome news. Hope she runs great going forward. :)
Good luck, Mike!
It will be cool if the car can have 2 times the original hp! The car originally laid down 259 WHP, anywhere near 500 WHP and it sould do 11's in street trim...... Looking forward to it!
Mike
Happy to hear the great news.
Quote from: BOOSTD SHO on April 13, 2014, 08:25:39 AM
It will be cool if the car can have 2 times the original hp! The car originally laid down 259 WHP, anywhere near 500 WHP and it sould do 11's in street trim...... Looking forward to it!
Mike
Happy to hear all is OK now ..... lots of speculation in the woodwork about the situation you were dealing with.
You've got to have the patience of a Saint .......
Good luck on joining the 11 sec. Club ! !
I expect to see Crash there soon as well ....
Patience driven by, winter weather, other cars to drive, and roads that are JUNK!
Salt is gone! Looking forward to drive it again!
What other mods are people doing? It will have all new internals, and ported heads.......
Thanks All!
Mike
7/19/14 Update:
Got an email form Andy a week ago, some parts are on back order from Ford.
Hoping the car will be done soon..........
Will post the dyno numbers when I get them. And driving impressions with track times when the car arrives.
Mike
Can't wait to see what she does.
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Looking forward to it!
Andy emailed me and said he engine is being assembled.
Hope to get it back in time to take to the track.....
Mike
Hope they document the build process for ya, be nice to have an album of sorts.
Quote from: SHOdded on August 22, 2014, 07:20:05 PM
Hope they document the build process for ya, be nice to have an album of sorts.
I do too! I doubt it will have to many details on the fuel system, as it is all new to the market....
We are still waiting for OEM parts to put it back together.... Snow is coming..... I will be bummed if I can't get it to the track this year, let alone drive it.
I can't remember what the car drove like, it has been so long.
The transmission is the next weak link. The cars have produced over 600 WHP on their dyno! That is equivalent to 800 FWHP, as stock engined cars put down 260 WHP. Andy has mentioned the are locking the cars down in the 500 WHP area to save the transmission.
Ill post more as it progresses!
Mike
Anxious to hear about the finished product!
Update:
Car is still at Livernois. Waiting on the fuel system components......
Car is 2 years old in December. I have had it for almost 3 months at home and 6300 miles. I guess it is good that it is almost paid off and is allmost new in miles.
As I can remember it is Black in color???? Yes, the registration shows it is black.
Anxious to get this thing back! Any others running into delays with high HP builds?
Mike
Are they taking a different route than with bpd's build? Considering they have posted 500+ awhp already there.
Quote from: SHOdded on October 10, 2014, 09:19:00 PM
Are they taking a different route than with bpd's build? Considering they have posted 500+ awhp already there.
I honestly do not know. My car has been there for almost a year after the upgraded stock turbos were junk with the leaking oil seals, and ~19 months total at the shop.
I originially thought I was to have the "innovative" car at the time Spring of 2014), but as others are having their cars in and out of the shop with more HP I just don't know...... I am concerned that I am the only one with issues of OEM parts supply for my build as other cars are completed with 500 WHP+. It is October 14th, and my local track closes in 2 weeks, let alone snow can happen at any time, so I am losing any chance to drive it let alone race it this year!
I wish I had just purchased a more capable factory car and never went the route of builing the SHO up.
Mike
I feel for ya, man! To have it and to not have it would drive me nuts! Hope they have good news for you very,very soon.
What kind of parts are they waiting for? I guess on the positive side you will have the lowest mile 14 out of most.
Boosted, I think our engines are quite capable from the factory, you just got the bad one in the bunch which exists with every manufacturer. Hopefully you can get your car back soon and begin to actually enjoy driving it.
2 years at the shop!?!? Not cool by any means, makes you think on the quality of the turbos they offer. But hopefully you get it before Christmas, as a Christmas gift. Good luck.
Quote from: cror1 on October 15, 2014, 08:13:27 PM
2 years at the shop!?!? Not cool by any means, makes you think on the quality of the turbos they offer. But hopefully you get it before Christmas, as a Christmas gift. Good luck.
well, let's actually talk about what it is and isn't.
This was the first upgraded turbo 2013 car out there, so original development of the calibration for that took a good deal of time. Once that was done unfortunately the turbos started smoking after he had received the car back. We went to get the car at no cost, and brought it back to our facility to send the turbos out (again, remembering these were the only turbos on the market back then) and inspected. They passed inspection, but I pushed for them to replace all of the components anyways. Being they had to get enitre new center sections it took a great deal of time to get done, but once they did we put them in, along with break in oil to properly seat the seals, and all was good to go. Now, just for everyone's knowledge, the turbos only had an upgraded wheel, so the part that was smoking was 100% OEM, which is an issue we see quite often.
At that time, it was decided that we were going to push the car harder, and an upgrade package was put together to get the car to handle as much power as possible, and while at it, put some parts on it that were only in the design phase at that point.
With that said, this is going to have the worlds first upgraded fuel system, and has our bore support system. All of which everyone will learn about as soon as the final results come in :)
As for what parts took a good deal of time, there were 5 OEM items necessary that took literally months to get, but on the other hand the fuel system test pieces did not show up until friday of last week, so now, if all goes well, it will be smooth sailing on the mechanical portion, and then on to the tuning :)
I am waiting for the moment when Boostd's face splits in half with a wide-open grin at WOT :D So hurry it up, by all means!
New upgraded fuel system...AWESOME!!! Eager to here more!
Rich
I have limited knowledge of the upgraded fueling solutions LMS is/was working on..... but it wasn't an available option for me a the time my motor was built.
I've kept mum about it purposely, as that's something for LMS to divulge the details on, if they so choose to....
But I'll tell 'ya what... from what I was told, sounded like a very thorough, well thought out, and very well designed set up.
I may be inclined to get another (LMS) upgrade down the road.
I even offered to be the test guinea pig, but again, wasn't an available option at that time, as it was still in the early infancy of developmental stage(s) this past Spring.
Continued advancements from LMS. Cool stuff for sure!
I know I'll be a little jealous of BoostdSHO when his car is ultimately completed.
He'll be the next owner sporting that "Perma-Grin" even if has been some time that's passed.
As the old adage goes.... "All great things come to those who wait".
Quote from: Livernois Motorsports on October 15, 2014, 09:47:13 PM
Quote from: cror1 on October 15, 2014, 08:13:27 PM
2 years at the shop!?!? Not cool by any means, makes you think on the quality of the turbos they offer. But hopefully you get it before Christmas, as a Christmas gift. Good luck.
well, let's actually talk about what it is and isn't.
This was the first upgraded turbo 2013 car out there, so original development of the calibration for that took a good deal of time. Once that was done unfortunately the turbos started smoking after he had received the car back. We went to get the car at no cost, and brought it back to our facility to send the turbos out (again, remembering these were the only turbos on the market back then) and inspected. They passed inspection, but I pushed for them to replace all of the components anyways. Being they had to get enitre new center sections it took a great deal of time to get done, but once they did we put them in, along with break in oil to properly seat the seals, and all was good to go. Now, just for everyone's knowledge, the turbos only had an upgraded wheel, so the part that was smoking was 100% OEM, which is an issue we see quite often.
At that time, it was decided that we were going to push the car harder, and an upgrade package was put together to get the car to handle as much power as possible, and while at it, put some parts on it that were only in the design phase at that point.
With that said, this is going to have the worlds first upgraded fuel system, and has our bore support system. All of which everyone will learn about as soon as the final results come in :)
As for what parts took a good deal of time, there were 5 OEM items necessary that took literally months to get, but on the other hand the fuel system test pieces did not show up until friday of last week, so now, if all goes well, it will be smooth sailing on the mechanical portion, and then on to the tuning :)
Will the fuel system support straight E-85?
Thanks for the explanation!
Hope you built Boostd a hellcat killer....
^^^just furthered the excitement a bit. Starting to wonder if this may come with injectors too.
Surely to be a highly sought after upgrade.
Rich
It did NOT include injectors at the time.
It was learned on my own post engine build (& dyno) that injectors (whether an entire extra set, or even larger ones to replace the OEM's outright) was not necessary at all.
Again, i'm sure in due time. LMS will divulge details when they see fit.
Quote from: Livernois Motorsports on October 15, 2014, 09:47:13 PM
Quote from: cror1 on October 15, 2014, 08:13:27 PM
2 years at the shop!?!? Not cool by any means, makes you think on the quality of the turbos they offer. But hopefully you get it before Christmas, as a Christmas gift. Good luck.
well, let's actually talk about what it is and isn't.
This was the first upgraded turbo 2013 car out there, so original development of the calibration for that took a good deal of time. Once that was done unfortunately the turbos started smoking after he had received the car back. We went to get the car at no cost, and brought it back to our facility to send the turbos out (again, remembering these were the only turbos on the market back then) and inspected. They passed inspection, but I pushed for them to replace all of the components anyways. Being they had to get enitre new center sections it took a great deal of time to get done, but once they did we put them in, along with break in oil to properly seat the seals, and all was good to go. Now, just for everyone's knowledge, the turbos only had an upgraded wheel, so the part that was smoking was 100% OEM, which is an issue we see quite often.
At that time, it was decided that we were going to push the car harder, and an upgrade package was put together to get the car to handle as much power as possible, and while at it, put some parts on it that were only in the design phase at that point.
With that said, this is going to have the worlds first upgraded fuel system, and has our bore support system. All of which everyone will learn about as soon as the final results come in :)
As for what parts took a good deal of time, there were 5 OEM items necessary that took literally months to get, but on the other hand the fuel system test pieces did not show up until friday of last week, so now, if all goes well, it will be smooth sailing on the mechanical portion, and then on to the tuning :)
Great to hear that you are taking care of it and going well beyond and above. I am looking forward to the new upgrades for this platform?
Quote from: bpd1151 on October 16, 2014, 12:53:15 AM
It did NOT include injectors at the time.
It was learned on my own post engine build (& dyno) that injectors (whether an entire extra set, or even larger ones to replace the OEM's outright) was not necessary at all.
Again, i'm sure in due time. LMS will divulge details when they see fit.
Thx for the extra info. Any bit to help the mind from wandering down the wrong path helps.
I did mention a fuel system ponder at track day. Got some grins and a you'll be happy as there is alot of effort going into making it right.
No extra details though.
Rich
Andy called me tonight on my way home.
ATP would like to install their latest turbos on my build! Giving me a very good deal! Thank You ATP! Get some stickers or something that I can have on the car to promote you guys and business cards!
Andy mentioned these were WAY better than the Tial inserts.
Not sure how much HP it will make on the banzai pulls, but it will be great to have low throttle increases over the Tials.
I have been thinking of the rally cars with real AWD systems making 700+ WHP. Who builds these, and why can't we get rally type parts for the SHO platforms?? Have we broken all the axles, and and AWD shafts yet in other people's builds? DSS or the like making anything for us yet?
Really getting excited to see this car almost done!
Going to be my Daily Driver for work!
Mike
Update: Car has a leaking injector, and need to sort this out to continue tuning.
On race gas, 510 hp, with hopefully more to come??
Mike
Crazy, I hope you get the car back soon. Can't wait to see final dyno numbers.
This beast better be deep into the 11's and be bullet proof to make this all worth it!
What have you been driving around for the past year??
Well, at least a leaky injector is a known problem with these engines!
Congrats! :clap2:
With the leaky injector pending repair, you should be able to eek out a few more ponies.
I know I had all of my injectors professionally cleaned, balanced, & flow tested prior to my new LMS race engine having been installed.
Nice to have a 2nd, fellow EB Owner up into similar power #'s.
You'll truly come to appreciate all of the talents LMS has to offer.
I've been sold on their expertise since day one, & i've NEVER been once let down.
Once again, congrats!
Quote from: PokerMunkee on December 14, 2014, 01:54:50 PM
Crazy, I hope you get the car back soon. Can't wait to see final dyno numbers.
This beast better be deep into the 11's and be bullet proof to make this all worth it!
What have you been driving around for the past year??
Been driving, F-350's, and now a Hummer H2 in the snow.
Deep 11's will be tough with a 70% FWD car.
Hope to get it back soon!
Mike
Quote from: bpd1151 on December 14, 2014, 03:08:43 PM
Congrats! :clap2:
With the leaky injector pending repair, you should be able to eek out a few more ponies.
I know I had all of my injectors professionally cleaned, balanced, & flow tested prior to my new LMS race engine having been installed.
Nice to have a 2nd, fellow EB Owner up into similar power #'s.
You'll truly come to appreciate all of the talents LMS has to offer.
I've been sold on their expertise since day one, & i've NEVER been once let down.
Once again, congrats!
Thanks Mike!
Hope you are enjoying the high HP!
Your car is beautiful!
I'm looking forward to getting it back.
Need to relearn the car.
Mike
The car is locked down at 498 WHP and 544 WTQ on 93 and meth.! Race gas: 529/600
Livernois is going to take it to the track and get some numbers if we ever get beyond a blizzard every 3rd day......
Mike
Outstanding!
Most impressive.
You & I should be theoretically neck & neck on the race tune files (at least my "lower" one which is at 525awhp.
Exciting times lie ahead for us both!
Milan shut down early last year due to the cold as I was set for private track time following the rescheduling of their 2nd CAD for 2014.
Hope we can line up together someday! :ok:
Thanks for the update! :thankyou:
Quote from: BOOSTD SHO on February 15, 2015, 07:31:24 PM
The car is locked down at 498 WHP and 544 WTQ on 93 and meth.! Race gas: 529/600
Livernois is going to take it to the track and get some numbers if we ever get beyond a blizzard every 3rd day......
Mike
Awesome!!!
Rich
Quote from: bpd1151 on February 15, 2015, 07:37:58 PM
Outstanding!
Most impressive.
You & I should be theoretically neck & neck on the race tune files (at least my "lower" one which is at 525awhp.
Exciting times lie ahead for us both!
Milan shut down early last year due to the cold as I was set for private track time following the rescheduling of their 2nd CAD for 2014.
Hope we can line up together someday! :ok:
Thanks for the update! :thankyou:
That'd be a great battle of the "ecobeasts"
Rich
Can't wait for some screentorching vids!
A blizzard or insane "global warming" freeze lol. We're definitely over winter here at the shop! I miss the sounds and smells of a good burnout!
march 27, update?
Car is still at Livernois. They are going to take it to the track to sort it out and make some fast passes.....
Quote from: BOOSTD SHO on April 01, 2015, 09:07:35 PM
Car is still at Livernois. They are going to take it to the track to sort it out and make some fast passes.....
Can't wait to see some track numbers on that beast
Almost end of April......any updates??
Car is still in MI....... Patiently waiting to have them run it at the track then ship it back to NH!
Mike
Nice! Then I will be there to see it run then, if they are going to run at there customer appreciation day on the 16th.
I am assuming they will run it on the 16th. Then hopefully have it on the way to NH.
( i am so burned out from driving an H2 for the last 8+ months...... The epitome of style, performance and fuel economy!)
hope it dips into the 11's....... I will only run it on the 93 tune when I drive and at the track
Mike
Good luck, Mike, we are all hoping for some record-breaking times from CAD. Go deep into the 11's!
One thing I will do with the car is look for ways to have the portabello mushroom go on a diet!!!!
Light weight wheels and tires, not sure about suspension components, like aluminum replacements for the stock components....
If I can get some Mustang Recaro's that are lighter weight than the Massage seats...... Their is a solid 1/10 just in the weight of the seats. Wheels and tires will reduce 100#'s off the most important part of the car.
The car will not be compromised in handling, and hopefully improved!
Mike
Got the email from Andy at Livernois. The car ran 11.67 @ 119.68 MPH today.
Looking forward to getting it home!
Mike
Quote from: BOOSTD SHO on May 23, 2015, 08:56:33 PM
Got the email from Andy at Livernois. The car ran 11.67 @ 119.68 MPH today.
Looking forward to getting it home!
Mike
Congrats Mr. Record holder!!!!
Rich
Congrats, Mike! The SHO deserves a little rest and a lot of spit shine, it did GREAT!!!
That's moving! Nice job.
Congrats on having a very fast sho.
What are the official mods on the car, will you share with the community?
Wow, sounds like she's worth the wait! Congrats!
Wilson
Quote from: Wilson on May 24, 2015, 03:45:14 PM
Wow, sounds like she's worth the wait! Congrats!
Wilson
LMS Long Block
LMS Fuel system upgrades
LMS turbo upgrades
LMS intake
LMS exhaust
Springs
100% methanol injection
Think that is most of the mods.
Mike
Fuel system upgrade/meth?
Rich
Quote from: SHOnUup on May 30, 2015, 07:59:42 AM
Fuel system upgrade/meth?
Rich
SUPER TOP SECRET Fuel System!
I have no Idea on what was done on the fuel side.
This is a LMS talking point.
Looking forward to getting the car home this week!
Mike
Thx.
Damn these secrets...lol
Rich
Quote from: BOOSTD SHO on May 23, 2015, 08:56:33 PM
Got the email from Andy at Livernois. The car ran 11.67 @ 119.68 MPH today.
Looking forward to getting it home!
Mike
Wow. That is quick
Quote from: BOOSTD SHO on May 23, 2015, 08:56:33 PM
Got the email from Andy at Livernois. The car ran 11.67 @ 119.68 MPH today.
Looking forward to getting it home!
Mike
Question has to be asked, how much did the whole package cost to have installed?
Congrats Boostedsho on acquiring one of the fastest sho's,and must commend Livernois Motorsports on a job well done,post some pics if possible,thanks. Z
where is the damn video
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EyNCsuWg_Aw&feature=youtu.be
Rich
Quote from: SHOnUup on June 05, 2015, 06:31:51 AM
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EyNCsuWg_Aw&feature=youtu.be (http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EyNCsuWg_Aw&feature=youtu.be)
Rich
That is some cooool stuff right there,bit surprised there was no slippage,he had to launch around 2400rpm. Z
Right there with Z! Very cool, proves generally how capable the Ford systems can be! Looking forward to Rich's 11.x run after the Amsoil "upgrade" ;)
Quote from: SHOdded on June 05, 2015, 07:33:56 AM
Right there with Z! Very cool, proves generally how capable the Ford systems can be! Looking forward to Rich's 11.x run after the Amsoil "upgrade" ;)
I guess some of us thought there was a limited potential in upgrades,HA!!!!
Will be interesting what maintenance schedules are going to look level at this level of power, hope Mike (BOOSTD) chimes in on what LME has told him. I know bpd is very fastidious with his SHO's upkeep, and I believe his DD power level is about the same as BOOSTD's. So hopefully (fingers crossed) that schedule can be a good standard for all.
Besides, this run was done on street tires, right? Wonder how it'd do with a wheel/tire setup for track?
Quote from: SHOdded on June 05, 2015, 10:43:00 AM
Will be interesting what maintenance schedules are going to look level at this level of power, hope Mike (BOOSTD) chimes in on what LME has told him. I know bpd is very fastidious with his SHO's upkeep, and I believe his DD power level is about the same as BOOSTD's. So hopefully (fingers crossed) that schedule can be a good standard for all.
Besides, this run was done on street tires, right? Wonder how it'd do with a wheel/tire setup for track?
I absolutly agree with your statement,besides all the mods,the outside looks fairly stock,wonder if he's still using the oem tires,BTW BPD surely knows every inch of his car with his level of experience. Z
Damn..... those times are awesome !
Andy has told me that the plugs need to be replaced every 10,000 miles...... Not sure what else is needed.
Looking forward to getting the car back.
Need drag radials on the car! Running the stock tire and a 1.79 60' is worse than what we ran last year 1.70 60' on the one and only good pass at New England Dragway. Stock tires are JUNK after the first pass, then the track is destroyed with all the rubber in the treads
Will a 17 inch wheel fit on the PP 13's? Getting a DR is a PITA!
Mike
There was a recent thread dedicated to installing 17's on the SHO,hope this helps any . Z http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,4865.msg77459.html#msg77459 (http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,4865.msg77459.html#msg77459)
Got the car back and on the road. Runs very strong. Chasing some issues, and hope to get some real tires under it and going faster....
Mike
Quote from: BOOSTD SHO on July 01, 2015, 06:21:14 AM
Got the car back and on the road. Runs very strong. Chasing some issues, and hope to get some real tires under it and going faster....
Great to hear, looking forward to updates & pics & videos & ...
Glad to hear she is back at home and running to its full potential,BTW did you ever try searching Jegs,summit,for tires,best of luck and enjoy. Z