If you haven't checked out the 2015 Grand National yet please do-I am in love with the body style and it will come with AWD and a 400 horse 3.6L V6 engine!
I hate gm.... but if this was awd it would be cool. (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/12/ymypu2u2.jpg)
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Wow I love it. I am not a Ford guy(When i bought my current vehicle), but they had the best engine overall for the money but that with the Cadillac CTS V sport engine would a deal changer.
I don't know. It IS a departure from Buick styling in a good way, but it reminds me of a Nissan front end with a Beemer back end. I saw a pic of a hood w a scoop, too small, looks ricer to me.
BUT, I am all for a performance Buick worthy of the GN/GNX badge. Would be nice to have rear-biased AWD. How much headroom will be left for tuning remains to be seen.
Livernois has already taken this engine to 445whp and 452 tq in the CTS-V Sport with a tune only:
2014 Cadillac CTS VSPORT (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oX6OcukEOuQ#ws)
If they make this AWD, it will be on my short list of next cars to get.
They most likely will not put the CTS-V engine in the GNX. If they did it would definitely not get awd. GM does not work like that.
That and gm has a seriously bad business practice. Just look at the ignition switch recall.
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Quote from: wasinger3000 on June 12, 2014, 09:43:37 AM
They most likely will not put the CTS-V engine in the GNX. If they did it would definitely not get awd. GM does not work like that.
And how do you know any of these statements to be fact?
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Quote from: wasinger3000 on June 12, 2014, 09:43:37 AM
They most likely will not put the CTS-V engine in the GNX. If they did it would definitely not get awd. GM does not work like that.
And how do you know any of these statements to be fact?
I never stated these as facts. If GM has learned anything about CAFE regulations it will take its beating and move on. If they produce cars that get poor fuel milage they will be fined for every unit produced. On top of that the consumer will then pay a gas guzzler tax on top of the msrp. Yes they can just pass this fine onto the consumer, all that means is you are paying more for something inferior to the rest of the automotive market.
The new business model of Buick is fuel efficiency with its redesign. Yes you can produce a sports car. But it should be a modern day sports car that meets the requirements. The GT500 manages to make 650hp yet still meets fuel regulations.
You can make power and still maintain fuel economy. GM just fails at combining the two.
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Doubt it. Article I saw referencing it stated it would be in the $30K's, and was poorly written. You can't even get a regal GS for less than $35K.
I'm pretty sure it's simply a Cadillac ATS with different skin. The regular GNs will get the 2.0L turbo or the NA 3.6L. I can't imagine the GNX selling for less than $45k.
If it's an ATS with the Vsport engine it should be quick.
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This photo looks like a bad attempt at photo chopping
Quote from: wasinger3000 on June 12, 2014, 12:40:25 AM
I hate gm.... but if this was awd it would be cool. (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/12/ymypu2u2.jpg)
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I like it from the front....
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a628/kbeck59/2015-Grand-national-rumors_zpsc10d5829.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/kbeck59/media/2015-Grand-national-rumors_zpsc10d5829.jpg.html)
I'm the original owner of a 87 Buick Turbo and have been a member of the GS Club and Buick Performance Group for years. As much as we wish new GN was in the works, this is just a rumor and last year a member of Buick's marketing team who was at the GS Nationals in Bowling Green was asked about it and she said there are no plans for a new Grand National. Too bad because when the rumors first started 2 years ago, I was all pumped to buy one. Even my wife was on board with that plan :) but it's not to be.
^^^^^^^^
Below article seems to say otherwise
http://gmauthority.com/blog/gm/buick/regal/regal-grand-national/2017-regal-grand-national/ (http://gmauthority.com/blog/gm/buick/regal/regal-grand-national/2017-regal-grand-national/)
Quote from: GSX-PKV on June 13, 2014, 03:23:21 PM
I'm the original owner of a 87 Buick Turbo and have been a member of the GS Club and Buick Performance Group for years. As much as we wish new GN was in the works, this is just a rumor and last year a member of Buick's marketing team who was at the GS Nationals in Bowling Green was asked about it and she said there are no plans for a new Grand National. Too bad because when the rumors first started 2 years ago, I was all pumped to buy one. Even my wife was on board with that plan :) but it's not to be.
Definitely not just a rumor. The GN will be here soon.
I was the original owner of a 1996 Buick regal t-type,gray and was my first new car,and was one of the fastest cars in a quarter mile back in the day,until they stole it,man I missed that car,rumors were that the turbo back then was good for about 60k then it was less effective????
I never stated these as facts. If GM has learned anything about CAFE regulations it will take its beating and move on. If they produce cars that get poor fuel milage they will be fined for every unit produced. On top of that the consumer will then pay a gas guzzler tax on top of the msrp. Yes they can just pass this fine onto the consumer, all that means is you are paying more for something inferior to the rest of the automotive market.
The new business model of Buick is fuel efficiency with its redesign. Yes you can produce a sports car. But it should be a modern day sports car that meets the requirements. The GT500 manages to make 650hp yet still meets fuel regulations.
You can make power and still maintain fuel economy. GM just fails at combining the two.
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Not sure what you are talking about? Corvettes, particularly the Z06/ZR1 will and or are currently making big power while still getting mid to high 20's MPG wise. Nearly all of GM's performance line meets requirements. Pretty sure the Zr1 din't even get dinged on gas guzzler. Dodge and Ford on the other hand Viper, SRT Challenger/Charger, Ford GT, Cobra/GT500 have never been able to achieve mid/high 20's MPG.
Unfortunately GM will F it up like they do with the majority of their "cool" cars. I highly doubt it will look as awesome as it does in the second post. It'll most likely be slow, a four door and look like this...
http://www.caranddriver.com/features/2015-buick-grand-national-and-gnx-25-cars-worth-waiting-for-20142017-future-cars (http://www.caranddriver.com/features/2015-buick-grand-national-and-gnx-25-cars-worth-waiting-for-20142017-future-cars)
Quote from: SHO-Time on June 18, 2014, 05:00:48 PM
Unfortunately GM will F it up like do with the majority of their "cool" cars. I highly doubt it will look as awesome as it does in the OP's original post. It'll most likely be slow, a four door and look like this...
http://www.caranddriver.com/features/2015-buick-grand-national-and-gnx-25-cars-worth-waiting-for-20142017-future-cars (http://www.caranddriver.com/features/2015-buick-grand-national-and-gnx-25-cars-worth-waiting-for-20142017-future-cars)
Please no.....
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Quote from: Docholliday01 on June 18, 2014, 04:33:21 PM
I never stated these as facts. If GM has learned anything about CAFE regulations it will take its beating and move on. If they produce cars that get poor fuel milage they will be fined for every unit produced. On top of that the consumer will then pay a gas guzzler tax on top of the msrp. Yes they can just pass this fine onto the consumer, all that means is you are paying more for something inferior to the rest of the automotive market.
The new business model of Buick is fuel efficiency with its redesign. Yes you can produce a sports car. But it should be a modern day sports car that meets the requirements. The GT500 manages to make 650hp yet still meets fuel regulations.
You can make power and still maintain fuel economy. GM just fails at combining the two.
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Not sure what you are talking about? Corvettes, particularly the Z06/ZR1 will and or are currently making big power while still getting mid to high 20's MPG wise. Nearly all of GM's performance line meets requirements. Pretty sure the Zr1 din't even get dinged on gas guzzler. Dodge and Ford on the other hand Viper, SRT Challenger/Charger, Ford GT, Cobra/GT500 have never been able to achieve mid/high 20's MPG.
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Ok so you named 1 gm product that meets the epa requirements.... that's making a bold point. Also are you seriously putting the Ford GT in the list? It has not been in production since 2006... Every single mustang that is made for street legal sale meets the epa requirements. GT500 included, making 24 mpg.
I suggest you do a little more research.
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Hard core performance enthusiast could care less about the EPA and CAFE standards .
The small amount of these vehicles that will be sold will not affect the MFG averages .
I for one could care less about GAS Guzzler taxes .. If it's what people want , let them buy it .
Screw the PC and tree hugger mentality .... GEEEeeezzzzzz !!