NoVA Speedshop out here in VA is interested in doing an LS swap into my SHO...we are talking full drive train swap along with a stand alone ECU plus fabrication to get it all to fit... I am very tempted... thoughts?
Currently working on a ROM for costs with them...
A Taurus Stingray project? I guess anthing is possible given time and money.
Although, I would not do this to a SHO. A regular Taurus, sure.
Sounds good. Keep in mind I'm local for your SHO take off parts ;-)
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Honestly to make that swap worth it i feel like you'd have to be looking at one of the supercharged variations of the LS series. LSA or LS9 most likely.
I just don't think it would be worth it to spend all that money to swap in a NA LS motor and be making AT MOST 500hp at the crank(via an LS7). You might be making more crank HP right now on your current setup.
Of course the flip side of it is . . . if you really have the funds to modify an LS motor then the power possibilities are endless and you would have a cool one off "SHO".
Although right off the bat i think the $ vs power potential in that swap wouldn't make it worth it for me personally.
Everything is cooler with an LS swap
Quote from: pmezo33 on January 20, 2018, 12:45:24 PM
Everything is cooler with an LS swap
While i am a big fan of the LS platform and powertrain . . . cooler doesn't always mean faster.
So that will render the instrument cluster useless and traction control button?
The rear suspension and axle would need re-engineered?
I would think the LS would need a blower to run with what you have
I say don't do it..
Every electronic do dad runs through your ecu I would only use a stand alone for something that has little option for a good tuning solution
LS swaps piss me off, if anything coyote swap or a gt350 swap it
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I just woke up. Is it April 1st already? Or am I dreaming that this thread really exists?
OMFG! Not another LS junkie. Geez see enough of them on FB. Do a Coyote/6sp auto swap. Im sure you could almost swap a mustang rear subframe onto a SHO with some work. The front eould be the hardest.
LS swap?
Ho hum. Yawn.
Not worth the effort.
Besides, one shouldn't taint the platform with such a power plant. It's a SHO. Respect it for what it is. Including it's heritage.
Go poo poo on a different model/make.
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Quote from: bpd1151 on January 20, 2018, 04:32:05 PM
LS swap?
Ho hum. Yawn.
Not worth the effort.
Besides, one shouldn't taint the platform with such a power plant. It's a SHO. Respect it for what it is. Including it's heritage.
Go poo poo on a different model/make.
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Tell me how you really feel...
Honestly... the ONLY heritage the Gen 4/4.5 has with the first 3 generation is the name... otherwise its a completely different car. Not trying to start an argument just pointing out the obvious. Last I checked there isn't even a bolt in this car manufactured by Yamaha.
Additionally, before everyone goes completely ape sh!t, this idea was brought to me... the LS motors are respectable motors in their own right. No need to "poo poo" on anything.
🐒🐒🐒💩💩💩🙊🙊🙊
Lol I actually hate the LS engines...what ever the opposite of a technological gem is that's what the LS is.....low revving, single cam, low compression, boring....I know there are modified high rev, high cp but I'm talking about the average LS
I appreciate SBS bringing this Topic up for Discussion! New ideas and thoughts should always be welcomed. Z :)
Well, you did ask for opinions, and those who know me well, do know that I don't sugar coat things.
But I am glad to see no offense was taken, because none was intended. But it was/is merely my opinion.
Seems plenty of others are steering you clear from such an adventure as well. Just in a more subtle manner.
I am glad to see though, that this c**k-a-manie idea was not initiated by you, but merely presented to you as an idea.
You get kudo points for that! LOL.
Heed the communities advice. That's all.
Love you. Smoochies.
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Well anything is possible, all it takes it money. You could absolutely build it to retain functionality of all your factory instrument cluster and electronics. Flyin Miata does it all the time with the LS swapped Miatas. It's just not a plug-n-play solution. It just takes more money to make it work. So if that's something you really want, and have the cash for, then there's nothing holding you back. A V8 rear wheel drive SHO sounds awesome, and it may seem more like what you would expect from the factory in a sport sedan.
The Coyote swap would be cooler, sure. It would also be more expensive, and longer development time. LS swaps are way more common, so it would be quicker and easier to get sorted. If you do swap for an LS, then you can start with a base motor and once you get the swap done, mod the motor to your taste. The LS aftermarket is bottomless. You will never run out of things to make you go faster.
Personally, my 2 cents is this: Take the money that it would cost to swap, and put it into getting a custom, fully built transmission and PTU for your existing drive train. Once those parts can handle higher power levels, you can start extracting some real power from the EcoBoost. You could go for a legit "big turbo" set up. Have some custom exhaust manifolds, hotpipes, and downpipes made, and throw some insane sized turbos on the car. Go REALLLY crazy and be the first guy to do a monster SINGLE turbo SHO. Then smash BPD's record at the drag strip. Which will make him start chasing bigger numbers, and all the new parts that come out of it will trickle down to us peasants, lol.
So yeah, if your heart is really set on an LS, and you have the money and the patience, go for it. I just think it'd be way cooler to break through the current performance plateau the SHO platform has been sitting on.
Incredibly well articulated there Agent LW.
**APPLAUSE**
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I know it's unrelated to the Topic but would invest in getting a newer SHO IMHO or something similar depending on your budget and unfortunately our vehicles are not getting any newer and loosing value as the years go by!
Best of luck my friend! Z
If you want an LS swapped car, just buy a foxbody roller and throw an LS in that. I cant see any reason to throw an LS into a perfectly running SHO, and spend probably half the value of the car to swap to the LS, especially with the amount of mods you've done that would need to be repurposed or go to waste.
In a non SHO model, maybe, but in a SHO, I say no. You want an LS car, go get an SS instead and spare the SHO.
Quote from: derfdog15 on January 21, 2018, 03:23:19 PM
If you want an LS swapped car, just buy a foxbody roller and throw an LS in that. I cant see any reason to throw an LS into a perfectly running SHO, and spend probably half the value of the car to swap to the LS, especially with the amount of mods you've done that would need to be repurposed or go to waste.
In a non SHO model, maybe, but in a SHO, I say no. You want an LS car, go get an SS instead and spare the SHO.
Half the value of the car?....id say it would be double the value of his sho if not more....parts labor and yes there will be fab oh yes there will be fab
I'm with derf....You want an LS I'd get a Pontiac G8 and mod it or an SS and mod that because once you LS swap a SHO you would lose the FWD and you'd essentially have a G8 or SS anyway.
And good luck getting your gauges to work..I know there are companies that make wiring harness' for engine swaps but those are for popular swaps....With the high speed CAN BUS and all the body modules I say good luck with all of that..You'd be finding things that don't work constantly....ANd how about DBW? You'd need a pedal assembly from a DBW LS engine or go cable throttle and if you used a GM ECU the rest of SHO's electronic controls are screwed
Quote from: AJP turbo on January 21, 2018, 03:36:02 PM
Quote from: derfdog15 on January 21, 2018, 03:23:19 PM
If you want an LS swapped car, just buy a foxbody roller and throw an LS in that. I cant see any reason to throw an LS into a perfectly running SHO, and spend probably half the value of the car to swap to the LS, especially with the amount of mods you've done that would need to be repurposed or go to waste.
In a non SHO model, maybe, but in a SHO, I say no. You want an LS car, go get an SS instead and spare the SHO.
Half the value of the car?....id say it would be double the value of his sho if not more....parts labor and yes there will be fab oh yes there will be fab
I'm with derf....You want an LS I'd get a Pontiac G8 and mod it or an SS and mod that because once you LS swap a SHO you would lose the FWD and you'd essentially have a G8 or SS anyway.
And good luck getting your gauges to work..I know there are companies that make wiring harness' for engine swaps but those are for popular swaps....With the high speed CAN BUS and all the body modules I say good luck with all of that..You'd be finding things that don't work constantly....ANd how about DBW? You'd need a pedal assembly from a DBW LS engine or go cable throttle and if you used a GM ECU the rest of SHO's electronic controls are screwed
There is a Holden badged 2017 SS up the street with only 3K miles on it... I have talked with the dealer a couple times about it. They are WAY over priced on it.. but have come down about $5K... I might pull the trigger on it and scoop up a ProCharger to slap in it... I am calling around dealerships to see who would warranty it if I pay them to install it.. I don't want a car note at $30K+ without a warranty.. and a stock SS is no good... but a force fed one... that could be fun...
I think you can do an LS powered 911/993/996 with everything working for around 20k including donor car with blown motor.
http://www.automobilemag.com/news/renegade-hybrids-porsches-arent-saving-planet/ (http://www.automobilemag.com/news/renegade-hybrids-porsches-arent-saving-planet/)
If you are going to sully a nameplate with GM trash at least let it be some overpriced euro trash.
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on January 21, 2018, 07:58:06 PM
I think you can do an LS powered 911 with everything working for around 20k including donor car.
If you are going to sully a nameplate with GM trash at least let it be some overpriced euro trash.
Ha...... now the tail end of that post made me giggle snort. Tee hee hee.
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Man the LS GM badmouthing is strong and making me feel dirty for partaking lol...I wonder if it's because it's a ford forum lol I guess it's to be expected
Quote from: AJP turbo on January 21, 2018, 08:17:53 PM
Man the LS GM badmouthing is strong and making me feel dirty for partaking lol...I wonder if it's because it's a ford forum lol I guess it's to be expected
I do think an AWD LS powered 9xx abomination would be a helluva lot of fun.
I thought I was being nice, cause I suggested the LS Foxbody (though that's because its tried and true, and can be done for 5k or less for everything if you do junkyard parts and are patient).
But LS SHO just makes me cringe. There are cars an LS swap fits in, but I don't see the SHO as one. I think an LS swapped fusion(like an 06-12) would be bonkers. LS in a ricer or a euro as well. But the SHO is just too nice of a powerplant/setup on its own.
My GOD man!!!!! you should defiantly get a G8 or SS considering doing a LS swap im so sick of the trend and hearing that the copied windsor of the past is such a cheap motor to build and can handle Soooo much power blah blah blah gut any car out and throw a motor in it. You want a Unique car put a BIG BLOCK FORD in it 460, 427 sounds like you want to throw money!!!! That or you could always put a real WINDSOR in it 351! FORD to the front.....
Another option is a Mustang with the Coyote engine. The get a supercharger from Livernois or even from Ford Performance.
If things work out, I plan share some details about a little project I hope to be working on, myself.....
Quote from: Agentlongwood on January 21, 2018, 10:10:50 AM
Personally, my 2 cents is this: Take the money that it would cost to swap, and put it into getting a custom, fully built transmission and PTU for your existing drive train. Once those parts can handle higher power levels, you can start extracting some real power from the EcoBoost.
even with money as no object
can any of that be done ??
I'd put a LS or a Coyote into an old 280Z or a Miata or Fox Mustang something to make stupid fast and leave my SHO alone for what it is.
Looks like I lit a fire under everyone's A$$ with my comment about the LS swap... geeze.....
Money to Burn
Livernois Short Block to Start:
https://www.livernoismotorsports.com/product/LPP750100 (https://www.livernoismotorsports.com/product/LPP750100)
or the race Series:
https://www.livernoismotorsports.com/product/LPP750101 (https://www.livernoismotorsports.com/product/LPP750101)
Way Extra Money to Blow:
Get them to build you ONE: 15 to 18K.....?
Quote from: irondoor19 on January 22, 2018, 02:08:05 PM
Money to Burn
Livernois Short Block to Start:
https://www.livernoismotorsports.com/product/LPP750100 (https://www.livernoismotorsports.com/product/LPP750100)
or the race Series:
https://www.livernoismotorsports.com/product/LPP750101 (https://www.livernoismotorsports.com/product/LPP750101)
Way Extra Money to Blow:
Get them to build you ONE: 15 to 18K.....?
No point in dropping a built motor if the PTU/Trans/RDU cannot handle the extra power... I just got off the phone with the local speed shop that is interested in the LS Swap... really good conversation. They are familiar with the Ecoboost AWD setups... after talking with him, he is going to work with his engineers to find out if its possible to A: Swap out the existing JTEKT setup with something stronger (yes he already told me it would require a lot of fabrication) or B: If his team is willing to tear down the transmission/ptu/rdu to see what they can do to strengthen the setup which is more or less what LMS mentioned would need to happen.
Quote from: 68_GT on January 22, 2018, 11:35:03 AM
Quote from: Agentlongwood on January 21, 2018, 10:10:50 AM
Personally, my 2 cents is this: Take the money that it would cost to swap, and put it into getting a custom, fully built transmission and PTU for your existing drive train. Once those parts can handle higher power levels, you can start extracting some real power from the EcoBoost.
even with money as no object
can any of that be done ??
Yup. LMS is ready and willing to create those exact parts. All it takes is money, and someone willing to put their car under the knife as a guinea pig. LMS is not the only speed shop with solutions either. From reading BPD's posts on that issue it seems like he's looked into it at great length, and found the trans and PTU are really holding back the platform. You COULD very easily make more power, but you will likely scatter trans parts all over the track. I REALLY want to see people run big turbos or even single turbo in a SHO. But nobody is going to do that if the drive train can't handle it.
Quote from: stealbluesho on January 22, 2018, 12:22:53 PM
Looks like I lit a fire under everyone's A$$ with my comment about the LS swap... geeze.....
Thanks for allowing the community to stand united :P
Quote from: Agentlongwood on January 22, 2018, 03:39:51 PM
Quote from: 68_GT on January 22, 2018, 11:35:03 AM
Quote from: Agentlongwood on January 21, 2018, 10:10:50 AM
Personally, my 2 cents is this: Take the money that it would cost to swap, and put it into getting a custom, fully built transmission and PTU for your existing drive train. Once those parts can handle higher power levels, you can start extracting some real power from the EcoBoost.
even with money as no object
can any of that be done ??
Yup. LMS is ready and willing to create those exact parts. All it takes is money, and someone willing to put their car under the knife as a guinea pig. LMS is not the only speed shop with solutions either. From reading BPD's posts on that issue it seems like he's looked into it at great length, and found the trans and PTU are really holding back the platform. You COULD very easily make more power, but you will likely scatter trans parts all over the track. I REALLY want to see people run big turbos or even single turbo in a SHO. But nobody is going to do that if the drive train can't handle it.
I dont know man; if LMS was really 'ready and willing' then one would have to think they'd sell more $7,500 engines, $2k HPFPs, and $500 oil pumps knowing that the drivetrain is a weak link if they provided those upgrades.
Quote from: Agentlongwood on January 22, 2018, 03:39:51 PM
Quote from: 68_GT on January 22, 2018, 11:35:03 AM
Quote from: Agentlongwood on January 21, 2018, 10:10:50 AM
Personally, my 2 cents is this: Take the money that it would cost to swap, and put it into getting a custom, fully built transmission and PTU for your existing drive train. Once those parts can handle higher power levels, you can start extracting some real power from the EcoBoost.
even with money as no object
can any of that be done ??
Yup. LMS is ready and willing to create those exact parts. All it takes is money, and someone willing to put their car under the knife as a guinea pig. LMS is not the only speed shop with solutions either. From reading BPD's posts on that issue it seems like he's looked into it at great length, and found the trans and PTU are really holding back the platform. You COULD very easily make more power, but you will likely scatter trans parts all over the track. I REALLY want to see people run big turbos or even single turbo in a SHO. But nobody is going to do that if the drive train can't handle it.
I offered up my car to be a guinea pig.. just waiting on a response back... again... the rep I talked to see to think that it had been done before but they were unable to find a good solution... we will see...
I would've known had they did.
Dan and I talk somewhat regularly and he doesn't keep me in the dark.
Cody is probably referencing the couple of guys who did attempt trans upgrades (not LMS fabricated one's) & both of those failed miserably after a short, 2k miles and less.
The same vendor that built the trans in LMS's record setting EB Mustang, is the same vendor Dan was recommending to me at that time.
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Quote from: stealbluesho on January 21, 2018, 04:15:50 PM
Quote from: AJP turbo on January 21, 2018, 03:36:02 PM
Quote from: derfdog15 on January 21, 2018, 03:23:19 PM
If you want an LS swapped car, just buy a foxbody roller and throw an LS in that. I cant see any reason to throw an LS into a perfectly running SHO, and spend probably half the value of the car to swap to the LS, especially with the amount of mods you've done that would need to be repurposed or go to waste.
In a non SHO model, maybe, but in a SHO, I say no. You want an LS car, go get an SS instead and spare the SHO.
Half the value of the car?....id say it would be double the value of his sho if not more....parts labor and yes there will be fab oh yes there will be fab
I'm with derf....You want an LS I'd get a Pontiac G8 and mod it or an SS and mod that because once you LS swap a SHO you would lose the FWD and you'd essentially have a G8 or SS anyway.
And good luck getting your gauges to work..I know there are companies that make wiring harness' for engine swaps but those are for popular swaps....With the high speed CAN BUS and all the body modules I say good luck with all of that..You'd be finding things that don't work constantly....ANd how about DBW? You'd need a pedal assembly from a DBW LS engine or go cable throttle and if you used a GM ECU the rest of SHO's electronic controls are screwed
There is a Holden badged 2017 SS up the street with only 3K miles on it... I have talked with the dealer a couple times about it. They are WAY over priced on it.. but have come down about $5K... I might pull the trigger on it and scoop up a ProCharger to slap in it... I am calling around dealerships to see who would warranty it if I pay them to install it.. I don't want a car note at $30K+ without a warranty.. and a stock SS is no good... but a force fed one... that could be fun...
Swap in parts form a CTS-V. Those guys are always upgrading to something bigger and looking to sell the stock parts....
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on January 21, 2018, 08:31:14 PM
Quote from: AJP turbo on January 21, 2018, 08:17:53 PM
Man the LS GM badmouthing is strong and making me feel dirty for partaking lol...I wonder if it's because it's a ford forum lol I guess it's to be expected
I do think an AWD LS powered 9xx abomination would be a helluva lot of fun.
That I will agree with.. wow, just thinking about t... strap in and hold on!
Quote from: J-Will on January 22, 2018, 04:06:58 PM
I dont know man; if LMS was really 'ready and willing' then one would have to think they'd sell more $7,500 engines, $2k HPFPs, and $500 oil pumps knowing that the drivetrain is a weak link if they provided those upgrades.
My bad, I meant ready and willing to develop the parts. As in start the long, painful, and expensive process. Didn't mean to imply that they already had a built trans ready to sell.
Weird, I'm not sure why anyone would want to do stuff a LS into a SHO.... The 3.5TT is what makes the SHO special. I loved my SHO and if it didn't have as many miles on it I wouldn't have traded it in yet. With the numbers that some have on built 3.5TTs there is no point to it. I drive a CTSV now and it is a fun car, but a completely different animal. Lol all the LS hate tho.
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I love the LS engines, and GM loves them too. They stuff them into every "performance" version of their vehicles.
Quote from: SHOdded on January 23, 2018, 12:28:26 AM
I love the LS engines, and GM loves them too.
I love engines that have high specific output and the LS's do not and I hate anything that has the word general or generic in it...It's just my code
LOL
Quote from: AJP turbo on January 23, 2018, 12:39:03 AM
I love engines that have high specific output and the LS's do not and I hate anything that has the word general or generic in it...It's just my code
Preach
if PTU and trans upgrades were available I would have got the ATP turbos and built engine when my stock engine blew up. So I put in a new Ford longblock and EB Performance billet wheels in my stock turbos. I'll put the other money into my 68 Mustang.
Quote from: 68_GT on January 24, 2018, 07:30:09 PM
if PTU and trans upgrades were available I would have got the ATP turbos and built engine when my stock engine blew up. So I put in a new Ford longblock and EB Performance billet wheels in my stock turbos. I'll put the other money into my 68 Mustang.
That was my point. If LMS was really willing and ready, I think it would have been done. They could capture more engine sales with supporting drivetrain upgrades available.
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The market is just so SMALL compared to mustangs, f150s, corvettes, etc ... How many people are willing to put money upfront? That's what it takes for a viable business to make a decision, because at the end of the day, LME is a business.
So I called LME on Monday... after having a pleasant conversation with Clay it's been crickets. As SHOdded eluded too I don't believe the market is big enough for a group like LME is invest the time even if someone was paying... maybe 1 or 2 sales after that? Probably not enough to recoup the engineering hours...
In any event... NOVA Speed Shop got back to me... they have a couple options they want to discuss... one involves a LS Swap and the other involves swapping out the tranny/PTU/RDU but keeping the 3.5TT power plant...
Gonna stop by Thursday or Friday of this week time permitting to see what their plans are and how much it's going to cost....
Quote from: stealbluesho on January 24, 2018, 08:07:02 PM
So I called LME on Monday... after having a pleasant conversation with Clay it's been crickets. As SHOdded eluded too I don't believe the market is big enough for a group like LME is invest the time even if someone was paying... maybe 1 or 2 sales after that? Probably not enough to recoup the engineering hours...
In any event... NOVA Speed Shop got back to me... they have a couple options they want to discuss... one involves a LS Swap and the other involves swapping out the tranny/PTU/RDU but keeping the 3.5TT power plant...
Gonna stop by Thursday or Friday of this week time permitting to see what their plans are and how much it's going to cost....
convert to RWD and use the F150 trans ??
I could see a drivetrain swap as being a big step forward, be it RWD, or RWD biased AWD.
I will update after talking with the group over there... I am very curious myself...
This place from what I understand loves doing custom one off stuff... so we will see...
I think tearing out the PTU, driveshaft, rear differential and powering the rear wheels with electric motors would be a way to get an SHO into the 10's. The car would tip the scales a couple of hundrend lbs. heavier though. It may sound silly, but it's amazing what some are doing with electric power now. Or, the F-150 set-up/RWD conversion sounds cool too. Screw the idea of putting a LS of any incarnation into a SHO. :curse:
Quote from: SilvererSHO on January 24, 2018, 11:59:08 PM
I think tearing out the PTU, driveshaft, rear differential and powering the rear wheels with electric motors would be a way to get an SHO into the 10's. The car would tip the scales a couple of hundrend lbs. heavier though. It may sound silly, but it's amazing what some are doing with electric power now. Or, the F-150 set-up/RWD conversion sounds cool too. Screw the idea of putting a LS of any incarnation into a SHO. :curse:
This would be awesome and would love to hear where to start the research and cost? Probably to deep for my pockets but would be very cool and is where all the super car are heading if not already there.
Just got back from a really good conversation with NoVA Speed Shop... The LS conversion is out of the picture.. $20K in parts alone and no real good answer on how to mount a rear-end that can handle the power I want. Rough estimate after labor/fab is around $40K-45K. I would also have to have switches for any accessory I wanted to keep.. heated seats etc... since they would need to pull the entire wiring harness and canbus out. So thats a non-starter.. When I spoke to them over the phone I mentioned that it would better to get shell of a taurus IMHO.. they agreed with that today.
As far as the AWD system, they said it would require reverse engineering the 6F55/PTU/RDU setup and working it over. They would need to essentially blow it up, figure out where the weak links are, and rebuild with custom parts. Which could take a year or more to complete and it would require an open ended checkbook. Also there really isn't anything on the market they can swap it with to keep the AWD functionality either domestic or foreign that would be worth the money/time to figure it out either.
He also said it would be feasible and cheaper by far to pick up an F150 3.5TT and convert the SHO to a RWD setup but even then the long pole in the setup is going to be mating the Taurus to a beefy enough rear-end and more importantly, fabricating the back of the Taurus to hold it in given the amount of power I am looking to put down.
Disappointing news but what I expected to hear more or less. I get the feeling LMS would be a similar conversation.
Quote from: AJP turbo on January 23, 2018, 12:39:03 AM
Quote from: SHOdded on January 23, 2018, 12:28:26 AM
I love the LS engines, and GM loves them too.
I love engines that have high specific output and the LS's do not and I hate anything that has the word general or generic in it...It's just my code
I don't regret for a second buying my Generic Motors low output LSA powered CTSV. :p
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Quote from: ShoBoat on January 26, 2018, 01:19:43 PM
Quote from: AJP turbo on January 23, 2018, 12:39:03 AM
Quote from: SHOdded on January 23, 2018, 12:28:26 AM
I love the LS engines, and GM loves them too.
I love engines that have high specific output and the LS's do not and I hate anything that has the word general or generic in it...It's just my code
I don't regret for a second buying my Generic Motors low output LSA powered CTSV. :p
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Eh ho hum ...you had to mention the low volume specialty engine from generic motors which a far cry from your run of the mill LS variant....even in LSA form which has forced induction it doesn't even make 100hp/liter
If it doesn't make 100hp/liter you can keep it especially when boosted its just a failed engineering project
But I'd drive it lol
Quote from: AJP turbo on January 26, 2018, 01:31:59 PM
Quote from: ShoBoat on January 26, 2018, 01:19:43 PM
Quote from: AJP turbo on January 23, 2018, 12:39:03 AM
Quote from: SHOdded on January 23, 2018, 12:28:26 AM
I love the LS engines, and GM loves them too.
I love engines that have high specific output and the LS's do not and I hate anything that has the word general or generic in it...It's just my code
I don't regret for a second buying my Generic Motors low output LSA powered CTSV. :p
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Eh ho hum ...you had to mention the low volume specialty engine from generic motors which a far cry from your run of the mill LS variant....even in LSA form which has forced induction it doesn't even make 100hp/liter
If it doesn't make 100hp/liter you can keep it especially when boosted its just a failed engineering project
But I'd drive it lol
Exactly, one could also argue that 100hp/l is nothing compared to what Tesla puts out in their EVs. But for the time being I'd rather burn stuff and sound good while doing it. :)
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Hey if Mike (EcoPowerParts) likes the V, who am I to argue? LOL! Tho his V is beyond ridiculous.
Mike B's V is pretty insane.
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